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robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 26 2013 19:16 GMT
#1141
VLC = No lag.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44132 Posts
October 26 2013 19:16 GMT
#1142
On October 27 2013 04:14 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:14 robson1 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:12 StarStruck wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:10 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:08 StarStruck wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:07 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:04 StarStruck wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:03 robson1 wrote:
remember ya'll. This game does not matter at all.

[image loading]


* Dance *


i cant seem to not get distracted by this .. i dont know why ..


Because it's awesome?


totally ! and why are they doing that ?


To get you on the excite-a-bike. Player intros are awesome.


As far as I know: DRG is imitating a Zergling. And genius was supposed to imitate a unit as well, but nobody has ever figured out what he is imitating to this day. I think he just was frustrated that he couldn't imitate a void ray so he said: Fuck it, I'm just going all out dubstep dance on this one.

its a zealot

o.O
this is a quote
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
October 26 2013 19:16 GMT
#1143
Finally Jaedong is playing to his strength and MMA weakness, early muta
Year of MaxPax
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 26 2013 19:16 GMT
#1144
On October 27 2013 04:13 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:09 The_Templar wrote:
Group B: Loser's Match

(Z)Jaedong vs (T)MMA
0-1


Map: Derelict Watcher


Jaedong spawns in the bottom left
MMA spawns in the top right

2:00
MMA getting a barracks followed by a refinery.
Jaedong going hatchery first followed by a spawning pool.
MMA getting a reaper.

3:00
MMA moving out with his first reaper and is getting a second one.
Jaedong getting 4 zerglings and 2 queens.
MMA expanding onto the low ground.

4:00
MMA starting a factory.
Jaedong moving zerglings towards the natural of MMA.
MMA scouts the whole base with a reaper but doesn't kill anything
MMA mis-placed the reaper outside of his natural and doesn't see it.

5:00
Jaedong getting zergling speed.
MMA making 2 hellions.
MMA getting a starport.

6:00 (Z)Jaedong 48 vs (T)MMA 41
MMA getting a banshee.
Jaedong making a third base and a lair.
MMA being defensive with his hellions.

7:00 (Z)Jaedong 55 vs (T)MMA 49
MMA moving out with a banshee.
Jaedong moving 2 zerglings across the map, one is seen by MMA's banshee and killed.
MMA getting stim pack.
MMA building a third command center.

8:00 (Z)Jaedong 70 vs (T)MMA 59
Banshee moving into the bases of Jaedong.
Jaedong getting a spire.
MMA getting 2 engineering bays.
Jaedong making 2 evolution chambers.
Jaedong surrounds the hellions and kills one.

9:00 (Z)Jaedong 76 vs (T)MMA 69
MMA getting +1/1
Jaedong making a baneling nest.
Jaedong sees the third command center.
Jaedong getting +1/1 melee and overlord speed.

10:00 (Z)Jaedong 94 vs (T)MMA 86
Jaedong getting mutalisks.
MMA moving out with a viking.
MMA loses his banshee to mutalisks.
MMA getting turrets at his third base and pulling back marines.
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Daogin
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada2308 Posts
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1145
Lets go dongerr
Leenoctopus <3, master of foreign events.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1146
MMA sees NaDa? I am jealous.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Fission
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1184 Posts
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1147
On October 27 2013 04:16 robson1 wrote:
VLC = No lag.


What's the address of the stream for vlc?
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-26 19:18:25
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1148
On October 27 2013 04:14 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:11 Squat wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:09 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:07 Incognoto wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:05 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:03 groms wrote:
I'm not a zerg so take this for what its worth.

Why do zergs stay on 2-2 vs 3-3 in zvt so often? Seems like a losing proposition to me.

going to 3-3 requires hive tech and going to hive tech requires infestation pit and building both requires a lot more time compared to terran and protoss who can access 3/3 upgrades more easily ..

and transitioning to that time normally zergs die to terran pressure facing 3/3 biomine

did i explain everything right ?


oh wow so that's still how the match up works?

i guess not .. if the zerg gets muta-ball .. when zerg has 30+ mutas the way i see it the terran just has a very hard time keeping up .. but in game 1 .. mma did not allow JD to get muta ball .

If a terran lets a zerg gets 30+ mutas in any decent amount of time he is either greatly inferior or just doing something wrong.

wow makes sense

although

during innovation vs drg .. i dont think innovation was inferior .. or was doing something he is pure gold in tvz .. so which is which ?

He was doing something wrong.

30+ mutas is a MASSIVE investment, a ball that size means you intend to fight with them, a lot, which means they will also need upgrades. This means a super late hive or even no hive at all, which means you'll be stuck on 2-2. The mutas HAVE to win the game at this point, or the terran coupon sale bio will wear you down.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2719 Posts
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1149
MMA will see Nada for enlightenment on TvZ
very illegal and very uncool
sudete
Profile Joined December 2012
Singapore3054 Posts
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1150
"What does MMA see? Nada"

I would love to see what he is seeing
Year of MaxPax
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
October 26 2013 19:17 GMT
#1151
MMA is playing quite sloppy. Supply blocks, missing upgrades, losing units.
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 26 2013 19:18 GMT
#1152
looks better for JD.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
October 26 2013 19:18 GMT
#1153
On October 27 2013 04:16 robson1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:14 Paljas wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:14 robson1 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:12 StarStruck wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:10 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:08 StarStruck wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:07 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:04 StarStruck wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:03 robson1 wrote:
remember ya'll. This game does not matter at all.

[image loading]


* Dance *


i cant seem to not get distracted by this .. i dont know why ..


Because it's awesome?


totally ! and why are they doing that ?


To get you on the excite-a-bike. Player intros are awesome.


As far as I know: DRG is imitating a Zergling. And genius was supposed to imitate a unit as well, but nobody has ever figured out what he is imitating to this day. I think he just was frustrated that he couldn't imitate a void ray so he said: Fuck it, I'm just going all out dubstep dance on this one.

its a zealot


Yeah maybe it's supposed to be one. But that zealot must have some kind of mental disorder.


LMAO. Thats whats all the dubstep is doing to him.
GreenFate
Profile Joined March 2011
France289 Posts
October 26 2013 19:18 GMT
#1154
Fast mutas didn't work for SK, it's not going to go well for JD either.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
October 26 2013 19:19 GMT
#1155
On October 27 2013 04:17 sudete wrote:
"What does MMA see? Nada"

I would love to see what he is seeing


I heard Nada works out and has a pretty good body.
iAmJeffReY
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4262 Posts
October 26 2013 19:19 GMT
#1156
On October 27 2013 04:15 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:15 iAmJeffReY wrote:
game music off plz

I love it.

well i hate it


...so what do we do now? Thumb war or wut?
Unbiased biased terran abuser Jeffrey. Sorry for the rage, friend!
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
October 26 2013 19:19 GMT
#1157
On October 27 2013 04:15 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:11 Squat wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:09 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:07 Incognoto wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:05 goody153 wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:03 groms wrote:
I'm not a zerg so take this for what its worth.

Why do zergs stay on 2-2 vs 3-3 in zvt so often? Seems like a losing proposition to me.

going to 3-3 requires hive tech and going to hive tech requires infestation pit and building both requires a lot more time compared to terran and protoss who can access 3/3 upgrades more easily ..

and transitioning to that time normally zergs die to terran pressure facing 3/3 biomine

did i explain everything right ?


oh wow so that's still how the match up works?

i guess not .. if the zerg gets muta-ball .. when zerg has 30+ mutas the way i see it the terran just has a very hard time keeping up .. but in game 1 .. mma did not allow JD to get muta ball .

If a terran lets a zerg gets 30+ mutas in any decent amount of time he is either greatly inferior or just doing something wrong.



DRG and Curious got pretty good muta balls going vs Innovation. TvZ is all about how well muta ling bling trade vs 4M. Because there are so many engagement and trades, a lot of time at the end, it looks like one side has no chance and the other side is OP (mines for T and mutas for Z). But that is because of the trades before hand and how they snowball.

Exactly, and for a zerg to get 30+ mutas without dying he has to be consistently be trading well, i.e. be winning.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
October 26 2013 19:20 GMT
#1158
On October 27 2013 04:17 Fission wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:16 robson1 wrote:
VLC = No lag.


What's the address of the stream for vlc?

http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1osp4m/lagging_on_twitchtv_watch_wcs_on_vlc_player/
maru lover forever
robson1
Profile Joined March 2013
3632 Posts
October 26 2013 19:20 GMT
#1159
now it's even laggin on vlc.
Genius is that funny scientist who no one takes seriously until he kills you with a flame throwing trumpet. - stuchiu 2013
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
October 26 2013 19:20 GMT
#1160
On October 27 2013 04:16 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 04:13 The_Templar wrote:
On October 27 2013 04:09 The_Templar wrote:
Group B: Loser's Match

(Z)Jaedong vs (T)MMA
0-1


Map: Derelict Watcher


Jaedong spawns in the bottom left
MMA spawns in the top right

2:00
MMA getting a barracks followed by a refinery.
Jaedong going hatchery first followed by a spawning pool.
MMA getting a reaper.

3:00
MMA moving out with his first reaper and is getting a second one.
Jaedong getting 4 zerglings and 2 queens.
MMA expanding onto the low ground.

4:00
MMA starting a factory.
Jaedong moving zerglings towards the natural of MMA.
MMA scouts the whole base with a reaper but doesn't kill anything
MMA mis-placed the reaper outside of his natural and doesn't see it.

5:00
Jaedong getting zergling speed.
MMA making 2 hellions.
MMA getting a starport.

6:00 (Z)Jaedong 48 vs (T)MMA 41
MMA getting a banshee.
Jaedong making a third base and a lair.
MMA being defensive with his hellions.

7:00 (Z)Jaedong 55 vs (T)MMA 49
MMA moving out with a banshee.
Jaedong moving 2 zerglings across the map, one is seen by MMA's banshee and killed.
MMA getting stim pack.
MMA building a third command center.

8:00 (Z)Jaedong 70 vs (T)MMA 59
Banshee moving into the bases of Jaedong.
Jaedong getting a spire.
MMA getting 2 engineering bays.
Jaedong making 2 evolution chambers.
Jaedong surrounds the hellions and kills one.

9:00 (Z)Jaedong 76 vs (T)MMA 69
MMA getting +1/1
Jaedong making a baneling nest.
Jaedong sees the third command center.
Jaedong getting +1/1 melee and overlord speed.

10:00 (Z)Jaedong 94 vs (T)MMA 86
Jaedong getting mutalisks.
MMA moving out with a viking.
MMA loses his banshee to mutalisks.
MMA getting turrets at his third base and pulling back marines.

11:00 (Z)Jaedong 113 vs (T)MMA 112
Jaedong kills the viking.
Jaedong getting baneling speed.
Jaedong getting 2 more hatcheries, one at his 4th base.
MMA getting an armory.
Jaedong moving mutalisks towards the third mineral line of Jaedong.

12:00 (Z)Jaedong 129 vs (T)MMA 131
Jaedong has a line of creep tumors.
Jaedong backs off the third base.
MMA denying creep.
Jaedong picking off the widow mines of MMA.

13:00 (Z)Jaedong 138 vs (T)MMA 127
MMA doing a drop towards the 4th but it's seen and MMA retreats with the medivac alive.
Both players getting 2/2.
MMA getting drilling claws.
Jaedong getting air armor.

14:00 (Z)Jaedong 179 vs (T)MMA 148
Jaedong loses some zerglings for free.
Jaedong getting an infestation pit.
MMA doing drops with a single medivac.

15:00 (Z)Jaedong 186vs (T)MMA 179
Jaedong is distracted by the drop with mutalisks while MMA moves into the 4th base.
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