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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
April 07 2013 22:54 GMT
#1101
Ace:
Do you think it's possible both marv and Palmar are scum?
table for two on a tv tray
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 07 2013 22:54 GMT
#1102
official votecount?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 22:54 GMT
#1103
On April 08 2013 07:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
Where do I keep claiming I'm good at this game?

I said I'm wrong less than DP and that's about all I can remember.

Can you provide examples please, Ace?

That is like the least important part of the entire post. Just lynch axle please.


It's important if he's just bullshitting out of thin air. You need to understand this. Lynch deadline is 3 hours away.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 22:55 GMT
#1104
On April 08 2013 07:54 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 07:52 DarthPunk wrote:
On April 08 2013 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
Where do I keep claiming I'm good at this game?

I said I'm wrong less than DP and that's about all I can remember.

Can you provide examples please, Ace?

That is like the least important part of the entire post. Just lynch axle please.


It's important if he's just bullshitting out of thin air. You need to understand this. Lynch deadline is 3 hours away.


Also how the fuck is talking about the reads of the leading lynch candidate not important?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
April 07 2013 22:58 GMT
#1105
On April 08 2013 07:55 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 07:54 marvellosity wrote:
On April 08 2013 07:52 DarthPunk wrote:
On April 08 2013 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
Where do I keep claiming I'm good at this game?

I said I'm wrong less than DP and that's about all I can remember.

Can you provide examples please, Ace?

That is like the least important part of the entire post. Just lynch axle please.


It's important if he's just bullshitting out of thin air. You need to understand this. Lynch deadline is 3 hours away.


Also how the fuck is talking about the reads of the leading lynch candidate not important?


I don't see how whether you actually stated you were good at this game or just implied it is important. You certainly implied it by calling others terrible, even people who actually are not terrible.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 07 2013 22:59 GMT
#1106
unofficial votecount:

dp, scib, iamp on axle
marv, wos, oats, palm on ace
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 07 2013 22:59 GMT
#1107
On April 08 2013 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
Where do I keep claiming I'm good at this game?

I said I'm wrong less than DP and that's about all I can remember.

Can you provide examples please, Ace?

you're right marv, that's just me being silly and seeing something that isn't there. My bad.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 07 2013 23:01 GMT
#1108
On April 08 2013 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ace:
Do you think it's possible both marv and Palmar are scum?


of course. I don't see why not.

@DP: Is the case on Axle boiling down to we need to lynch anybody, and he isn't here? That's the vibe I'm getting from skimming.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 23:01 GMT
#1109
On April 08 2013 07:59 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
Where do I keep claiming I'm good at this game?

I said I'm wrong less than DP and that's about all I can remember.

Can you provide examples please, Ace?

you're right marv, that's just me being silly and seeing something that isn't there. My bad.


:/

Why are you playing nicey-nicey with me when you've been antagonising me all game? I don't get it :<
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 07 2013 23:02 GMT
#1110
@ace what exactly are you trying to do with now and how are you trying to accomplish it?
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
April 07 2013 23:02 GMT
#1111
not "with now" but "right now"
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
April 07 2013 23:03 GMT
#1112
On April 08 2013 08:01 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ace:
Do you think it's possible both marv and Palmar are scum?


of course. I don't see why not.

@DP: Is the case on Axle boiling down to we need to lynch anybody, and he isn't here? That's the vibe I'm getting from skimming.

Pretty Much.
We need to lynch somebody and he is known to post a heap as town and generally interact more with the thread, which he hasn't this game.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 07 2013 23:04 GMT
#1113
@marv: Actually I was debating going back to my old style where I spammed the thread with massive walls of text, yelling and shouting at people to get in line and vote. But yea, those days are gone. So I'm being super nice, even to you, so people will hopefully listen to what I'm saying.

@prp: I'm trying to get people off my wagon and see that marv and Palmar are active but not contributing. I'm also waiting for DP's reply about the Axle wagon.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
April 07 2013 23:05 GMT
#1114
The day Votecounts made me screw up my smurfing:

sciberbia (1): raynpelikoneet
WaveofShadow (3): Tunkeg, prplhz, AxleGreaser
marvellosity (1): Ace
Ace (4): marvellosity, WaveofShadow, Oatsmaster, Palmar
AxleGreaser (3): DarthPunk, sciberbia, iamperfection

Not voting (0):

7 votes needed to lynch.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 07 2013 23:05 GMT
#1115
On April 08 2013 08:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 08:01 Ace wrote:
On April 08 2013 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ace:
Do you think it's possible both marv and Palmar are scum?


of course. I don't see why not.

@DP: Is the case on Axle boiling down to we need to lynch anybody, and he isn't here? That's the vibe I'm getting from skimming.

Pretty Much.
We need to lynch somebody and he is known to post a heap as town and generally interact more with the thread, which he hasn't this game.


gah a meta lynch? why would you do this to me you know I loathe this :/
It could be possible he just isn't around
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 23:06 GMT
#1116
On April 08 2013 06:41 sciberbia wrote:

marv why are you leaning town on axle? Do you not find any of these points concerning:
  • hopped onto my wagon with some meh reasoning
  • he hopped off as a result of some small explanation I gave, and I got the feeling he only backed off because my wagon was no longer the 'in' thing
  • he has almost exclusively talked to and about only myself and WoS, and on top of that, it's all been about just 1 post from WoS early in the game. He hasn't been partaking in the discussion of other big issues in the thread.
  • he is supposedly more active as town




Here's what I jotted down while I was going through axle's filter:

+ Show Spoiler +

Axle notes:

On April 05 2013 13:49 AxleGreaser wrote:
@Palmar
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 10:51 Palmar wrote:
yeah scummy ace I have my eyes on you

##FoS Ace

I'll be watching you

careful or I might PUT A VOTE ON YOU


I am curious. I don't yet have any meta on you apart from memory...
Can you direct me to any game in which you ##FOS a player?
Id like to see under what conditions you normally do that?

##Fos Palmar



I like this. Palmar was actually joking and he does never FoS. Judging by his comments about coming pre-armed into Noir, I think Axle knows this and has never seen him do this. It's an interesting thought and one I like.

On April 07 2013 00:40 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 23:54 sciberbia wrote:
Hey guys. I just have a few minutes.

Axle, I don't have any questions for you. I don't think anything you posted was scummy.

Palmar/marv you are wrong about my alignment. I'm busy today but in 7 or 8 hours from now I can sit down and have a chat.

I also don't know why you think I'm scum with WoS. I'm thinking town on WoS if you couldn't tell from my posts earlier. For lack of time, I'll just post my notes:

2) WaveofShadow
- claims town in first post when he knows it may draw attention
- draws attention by making multi-line posts and not spamming
- in and out of thread
- huge-ass post for no reason
- conspiracy theory (?) with Axle and Rayn
- "you got me" post about his vote on Ace
- philosophical problem with Ace/prplhz
CONCLUSION: thinking town



Even though I think it was Marv that suggested it,
I am not sure why WoS being scum would make you scum.
It could do, but that is a preflip association case.

My problem is even if WoS is town, scum know who is town and know they can defend them for the towny cred if they get flipped.

##vote Sciberbia


I don't understand this vote on sciberbia. Where did it come from? I don't see the reasoning.

On April 07 2013 00:58 AxleGreaser wrote:
Yeah sorry, it was clear in my head, just not the thread.

+ Show Spoiler +

On April 07 2013 00:40 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 23:54 sciberbia wrote:
Hey guys. I just have a few minutes.

Axle, I don't have any questions for you. I don't think anything you posted was scummy.

Palmar/marv you are wrong about my alignment. I'm busy today but in 7 or 8 hours from now I can sit down and have a chat.

I also don't know why you think I'm scum with WoS. I'm thinking town on WoS if you couldn't tell from my posts earlier. For lack of time, I'll just post my notes:

2) WaveofShadow
- claims town in first post when he knows it may draw attention
- draws attention by making multi-line posts and not spamming
- in and out of thread
- huge-ass post for no reason
- conspiracy theory (?) with Axle and Rayn
- "you got me" post about his vote on Ace
- philosophical problem with Ace/prplhz
CONCLUSION: thinking town



Even though I think it was Marv that suggested it,
I am not sure why WoS being scum would make you scum.
It could do, but that is a preflip association case.

My problem is even if WoS is town, scum know who is town and know they can defend them for the towny cred if they get flipped.

##vote Sciberbia




back here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18217152

I asked scrib some questions about how he viewed WoS and why scrib interpreted certain posts in certain ways.

Specifically i was concerned that Scrib had been just assuming WoS was town for some reason, and not wondering why WoS had been posting stuff or wondering what WoS had been thinking was good reason for posting stuff.
To me there appeared to be a significant lack of suspicion of WoS intentions.

This latest post, shows a number of reasons that scrib thinks WoS is town, to me none of them are consistent with a townie mindset or level of suspicion.

We are not yet at Hammer time, I don't intend to make hammer case.
I feel it deserves another vote.




And yet these reasons actually make plenty of sense.

Carrying on through page 1 of Axle's filter, he seems to find WoS suspicious for his actions, but apparently sciberbia more suspicious for his reaction to WoS's actions.

The thing is, he didn't hammer WoS when he had the chance. It was L-1 and he could have voted for him. Why didn't he?

On April 07 2013 10:43 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 10:11 DarthPunk wrote:
@ AXELGREASER You need to stop tunnelling WoS or I am going to lynch you. Your play is worrying.



Some people determine alignment by ......... , I ask questions an listen to answers or the lack of them.

How are you trying to determine alignment?



I like this for reasons I can't put my finger on.

On April 07 2013 13:52 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2013 09:29 sciberbia wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 07 2013 09:16 AxleGreaser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 23:54 sciberbia wrote:
Hey guys. I just have a few minutes.

Axle, I don't have any questions for you. I don't think anything you posted was scummy.

Palmar/marv you are wrong about my alignment. I'm busy today but in 7 or 8 hours from now I can sit down and have a chat.

I also don't know why you think I'm scum with WoS. I'm thinking town on WoS if you couldn't tell from my posts earlier. For lack of time, I'll just post my notes:

2) WaveofShadow
- claims town in first post when he knows it may draw attention
- draws attention by making multi-line posts and not spamming
- in and out of thread
- huge-ass post for no reason
- conspiracy theory (?) with Axle and Rayn
- "you got me" post about his vote on Ace
- philosophical problem with Ace/prplhz
CONCLUSION: thinking town


The distinctions I was making in this post
were fine distinctions.

I was indeed 'reaching' for the idea that perhaps you were not considering why/ (what intention)/ (what thought)
was behind and motivated WoS This post

My post was about WoS's towny intentions. (dropping emotive stuff and leaving, i found hard to put a towny intention on)

That you have still not apparently gone back and considered, why WoS made that post that I was initially concerned about, is to me concerning.

In the post above, you give what I think I can loosely describe as bunch of heuristics, do this and your scum, don't do this and your not. What I don't see there is you considering the purpose of the actions.

I am sorry, I just found where you did...?
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 06:47 sciberbia wrote:
@WoS
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits.


You do seem to be inviting Axle to give his opinion on rayn's alignment, so I think rayn's summary of your post was fair.

On the other hand, Axle did seem to have misinterpreted your intentions, but I don't see why bad reading comprehension is suspicious in and of itself. I highly doubt he intentionally lied about what you said.

Also, do you actually want to lynch Ace today? Just because you think he is good at scum?


If I misinterpreted his intentions.... (as looking for someone to Lynch... or commenting on characteristics of people that could make them someone to Lynch, or ..)

How did you interpret the intention of this Post?
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits.


In particular what did the graphic visual nature, do but inspire further emotive knee jerk posts?

BTW writing this post Started before Scribs here and while stuff seems to be happening around the WoS Lynch
for me that does not effect whether or not Scrib was considering why WoS did things.





@Axle
With every post I analyze I look at look at possible townie and mafia intentions behind it. I thought about WoS's post right after I read it. I'm sorry that I did not explain earlier but I was busy today.

To explain why I said you misinterpreted his post:
I think WoS gave no alignment read of rayn at all in the post you quoted. But you asked him
On April 05 2013 13:49 AxleGreaser wrote:
Was there any reason you thought we should lynch a headless chook?


This implies that you thought WoS was personally showing interest in lynching rayn where I maintain that he wasn't. Hence why I said you misinterpreted his post.


That is fine, so when you did "With every post I analyze I look at look at possible townie and mafia intentions behind it." analyse WoS's post, what possible townie intention did you see behind it? Did the townie intention you saw to that post not include WoS (at the very least) recently deciding on whether or not to "think" about Lynching Rayn, but had come down so nearly on the "not yet, do something else now side" that he sought a second opinion?

If I had been recently thinking (should I / shouldn't I) pursue Rayn as scum(due to the posting style), and I got asked "Was there any reason you thought we should lynch a headless chook?" Then as WoS I could have, and would have, answered the question, I would also probably indicate that words had just been seemingly put in my mouth and that while i had recently been onsidering that option... blah blah.... That was the reason I believe I also provided my answer to the question. That the presence of the(an) answer did not even trigger recognition (easier than recall [www.ehow.com/info_7754397_recall-vs-recognition.html ] ) memory of "Oh yeah I was just thinking that" indicates to me he quite probably had not recently considered how Lynchworthy posting like that was. He had thus handed me what he considered to be an anchor.

I think this topic is about done. I believe I understand why you said pretty much all of what you did.

Doesnt make you town, probably not my best Lynch though... for now...

##unvote Sciberbia


Backs off sciberbia in what seems to be a reasonable way.

He drops his pursuit of sciberbia and starts to pursue WoS. This seems consistent with how he earlier viewed WoS, as suspicious with his behaviour.

Generally speaking Axle is quite focused in his targets as town, in Noir he seemed to focus in hard on Hopeless despite other things being discussed in the thread.

[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
April 07 2013 23:06 GMT
#1117
wait a sec, why Axle and not Tunkeg then? Is he/she generally known for not posting much?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
April 07 2013 23:07 GMT
#1118
So Ace essentially what you're telling me is your entire read/case built around me is predicated on your assumption of me as a bad player, am I following you correctly?
I didn't think you were saved at L-2 (which is a big reason why I didn't vote). If you were going to get lynched I'd rather you claim before the hammer and have the Town debate on that and see if it's worth keeping you alive. It's normal play in majority lynch and I'm sorry if I assumed most people around would behave like that. But once again it makes no sense for me to stick a vote on you in that situation as anyone could end the day with a hammer right after. I thought I made it clear but even though I was leaning in the direction of you being Scum I wanted a bit more information and that is how the entire "where did you claim?" thing happened.


The trap was just seeing if you said "I claimed" and then when I asked, ignored it or just made up a bunch of bs where you didn't really claim but implied it. Like I already said you had no idea I was referring to a roleclaim, and I had no clue you were referring to your post early in the game. As to the bolded - yes. Scum do it all the time because they don't think Townies are reading the thread


You assume 'most people' would behave like that. Immediately trying to discredit my play and make me look bad. If in my mind I already claimed then there was no need to even do so at L-2 since it already happened, never mind what a 'normal player' would do. Obviously if I were in real danger of being lynched I'd blueclaim; do you not remember the clusterfuck in The Game?

Of course I knew you were referring to a roleclaim but I assumed the fact that I told you I did which would direct attention to my first post, without adding any extra info that would make VT the appropriate assumption; we've been over this though, unfair assumption on my part I guess, but you assume I just don't know what you're talking about at all. And as to the bolded, I have never seen scum make that kind of a slip; define 'all the time,' please. It seems you're living in a fictional mafia world where every player is terrible.
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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
April 07 2013 23:07 GMT
#1119
On April 08 2013 08:05 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2013 08:03 DarthPunk wrote:
On April 08 2013 08:01 Ace wrote:
On April 08 2013 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ace:
Do you think it's possible both marv and Palmar are scum?


of course. I don't see why not.

@DP: Is the case on Axle boiling down to we need to lynch anybody, and he isn't here? That's the vibe I'm getting from skimming.

Pretty Much.
We need to lynch somebody and he is known to post a heap as town and generally interact more with the thread, which he hasn't this game.


gah a meta lynch? why would you do this to me you know I loathe this :/
It could be possible he just isn't around


No, it isn't possible he just isn't around as he explicitly stated not that long ago that he had made room for this game to the extent of altering his sleeping patterns to overlap with the US and Europe more.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
April 07 2013 23:08 GMT
#1120
Palmar - I need you to be around because I really want to talk to you about something.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
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