EPTTL Mafia LXIII: Time to Die - Page 54
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raynpelikoneet
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Holyflare
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Other people have also clearly commented on grack than just BC yet you're all over BC for sharing your sentiment. I also pointed out several of his posts earlier but that for some reason has no weight whatsoever on your theory. Does this now change your read on grack? In other news I think artanis? said that hopeless' lack of posting couldn't be so alignment indicative but @artanis,what do you think of what i said earlier about his play in hogwarts/other town games? It is remarkably different even for such a low amount and it's effectively contentless. I think there's a good chance of hitting scum if we lynch him. Will reply to things as best i can till i get back to my pc | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On November 16 2013 03:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote: It's happened to me before. Sometimes one gets lazy. A main reason I'm defending him in any case is because I've been able to follow his thought process in how he became suspicious of you and of how he dropped that suspicion since I had the same evolution in reads with similar reasoning. Given you consider HF scum, do you consider me scum as well? No. You are willing to discuss things with me and being reasonable. Also the Risen point was not the only thing i consider Holyflare scum for. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
On November 16 2013 03:33 Holyflare wrote: In other news I think artanis? said that hopeless' lack of posting couldn't be so alignment indicative but @artanis,what do you think of what i said earlier about his play in hogwarts/other town games? It is remarkably different even for such a low amount and it's effectively contentless. I think there's a good chance of hitting scum if we lynch him. I have no recollection of if there's a systematic correlation between his activity and his alignment. I haven't played enough games with him to make that judgement. It's always possible that someone's simply doesn't have the time. That said, Hopeless' return to the thread was underwhelming at best. | ||
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Grackaroni
United States9856 Posts
On November 16 2013 03:33 Holyflare wrote: You say you are ignoring an unflipped player for the entirety of day 1 = I think he is town. If you then later post that you can't /won't get a read on him till at least day 2 then that is correcting yourself in my eyes. Now that i see the ignoring was based on the fact you can't read him the whole meaning of your posts has changed. It isn't the hardest concept to get your mind around. Other people have also clearly commented on grack than just BC yet you're all over BC for sharing your sentiment. I also pointed out several of his posts earlier but that for some reason has no weight whatsoever on your theory. Does this now change your read on grack? In other news I think artanis? said that hopeless' lack of posting couldn't be so alignment indicative but @artanis,what do you think of what i said earlier about his play in hogwarts/other town games? It is remarkably different even for such a low amount and it's effectively contentless. I think there's a good chance of hitting scum if we lynch him. Will reply to things as best i can till i get back to my pc It's because of the style he used to call me scum along with him the fact that he is normally pretty good. He wrote up an entire page worth of notes showing that I'm useless for his scum read. It's fluffy. | ||
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VayneAuthority
United States8983 Posts
There are other trolls in the game(teehee) and he is singling one out the one that people have hinted at wanting to lynch/could lynch. It seems inconsistent really to call out the only troll just because he has traction for a lynch. Seems like a mafia agenda to me personally. Storrzerg was conveniently defended by grack so following up with a case on him looks great and consistent, but it's really just filler. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
You say you are ignoring an unflipped player for the entirety of day 1 = I think he is town. Totally incorrect. You are still stubborn and will not go back and read what i said. You can't use that as an argument. You need to call me a liar if you are saying this because i am saying the opposite. Am i a liar? This reminds me of you arguing with syllogism in Hogwarts. Other people have also clearly commented on grack than just BC yet you're all over BC for sharing your sentiment. I also pointed out several of his posts earlier but that for some reason has no weight whatsoever on your theory. Does this now change your read on grack? The best case in thread is on you, not on Grack. | ||
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Holyflare
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On November 16 2013 03:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain and supersoft could you comment on my case on HF? I am not sold on HF, yet. I read through his hogwartsscumgame and i think he was more apologetic in that game. "ah i screwed up" etc. I don't see things like that in this game. I am 0 on him. I will have a closer look at him later. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On November 16 2013 03:39 Holyflare wrote: Dude I'm not even arguing? I'm explaining my thought process to you o.o? Then why are you not saying "i was wrong" or "you are making shit up"? | ||
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Holyflare
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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On November 16 2013 03:41 Holyflare wrote: I misunderstood what you implied by saying you were ignoring him and thus it looked suspicious so I had a scum read on you, you then explain the risen points further and move onto other people, something i equivocate to town rayn and so my read on you becomes unscummy? I'm not understanding you or vice versa if this isn't getting through. Okay, so why did you then bringthe issue up in 100 words when i had explained myself already? | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On November 16 2013 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, so why did you then bringthe issue up in 100 words when i had explained myself already? Because i called you scummy and a few others, namely mocsta, risen, artanis etc were on that sentiment. I outlined my thought process to the thread to show that over time my read on you has actually changed because i actually have analysed your games to see your playstyles. Your few posts recently are very world championshipesque though. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12971 Posts
1. Who is scum? 2. Why? The following players are: Mattchew, Koshi (!!, already has 3 pages of filter), Storrzerg, Skanjab1s, hiro protagonist, Hopeless1der, Stutters695, Spaghetticus, VayneAuthority, Mr. Cheesecake, and BlazingHand. Some of these haven't posted yet but I want them to tell me as soon as they've caught up. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
I’m going to have to read through again soon, as not everything is sticking with me. It’s currently 5am and I’ve had four hours sleep in the last 48 hours. I’m also having difficulty catching up on some of the terminology, though I’m gradually cluing in. I’ll just splurge out my impressions. I won’t make any formal cases just yet, I want to put my thoughts on paper then attend to them once I’m rested. Apologies in advance for poor formatting. I’m comfortable with confirming Yamato town. This may seem redundant since that’s the general consensus, but I’m very stringent so this is actually a pretty big step. On my next readthrough I’ll be fine tooth combing for Mocsta and VE. I’ve got precious history with Mocsta, but he’s also quite active. I want to confirm him town if possible. VE seems like the next most obvious, given the amount of material he has provided. I don’t like some of VE’s towncalls, but I think they’ve already been covered by others. LoneMeow masoning incident: I find this unsuspicious. I’m probably more interested in those who tried to force this to be an issue. Artanis and SS: SS seems dense. The projected paradigm within which he claims to view the world where everyone’s decision making is based entirely on the single factor of whether or not victory is achieved, is silly. Does he seriously expect people to sit through a month of his needless abuse in order to slightly increase their chances of winning a prizeless endeavour? Does he seriously think that by espousing his (so far generally unimpressive) logic to the exclusion of compromise in the pursuit of cooperation, he will achieve his intended position of mayor? I understand that some people have difficulty getting along with others, but it seems to me a cover. I’d like to hear people’s thoughts on his meta. For someone who proclaims his own competency as a vet at the beginning of the thread, this incompetency is not consistent from my (admittedly limited) perspective. It could very easily be used to obscure scummy motives. Admittedly, there have also been town tells. I've mixed feelings here. Grack: The trolling seems a poor move. BC is hammering him, and IMO rightly so. Grack has fluffed, and Grack has not done much else. I can only think that: - Grack does not care (useless town) - Grack is in some way trying to modify his meta (unlikely) - Grack is trying to scumbait (somewhat more likely) - Grack is scum (most likely) The Kush4prez line was possibly scumbait, but honestly I don’t see how a town Grack was planning on taking that bait (if successful) and then convincing town of his plan post hoc. The inevitable arse biting his actions have reaped was entirely foreseeable. It’s difficult to see him as town, as his actions have caused little but discord. Yamato lynching BC: I’m not sure, but did I miss the case? I see BC as good, I don’t want him to be scum. I’m not sure why that makes us need to lynch him without further information, as so far he’s been valuable. Unless I’m missing something, Mocsta was right to demand more reasoning for yamato’s platform based on BC. That said, Mocsta’s reasoning about cost/benefit for lynching BC confused me. If it’s what I think it is, it’s suspiciously dull. Sharrant: I’m not entirely certain how this became a thing, I’ll look into it in my next read. There didn't seem enough information at the time to make reads, that it was mentioned so many times sort of makes me think of artificial intervention. Kushmasta: His propensity for unpredictable play makes him unsuitable for mayor. Everyone knows this, though I think some take it too far. Policy lynching him seems both poor play and in poor taste. Using him as a vehicle for lynchbait/trolling is also pretty shit. I think people attempting to bring Kush into the spotlight are hard pressed to provide a believable town motive. Other than that, there are a lot of people that are sliding around on my scale, but also a lot of undercommitment in posts. If you have a read, please don’t just state your conclusion, as it only begs the question, and junks up the thread with people demanding that you elaborate. You may feel like you’re getting straight to the point #lessismore #quietconfidence but the end result is a less cohesive discussion, and a less effective town. | ||
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Spaghetticus
Australia451 Posts
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Grackaroni
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43270 Posts
On November 16 2013 03:46 Holyflare wrote: Because i called you scummy and a few others, namely mocsta, risen, artanis etc were on that sentiment. I outlined my thought process to the thread to show that over time my read on you has actually changed because i actually have analysed your games to see your playstyles. Your few posts recently are very world championshipesque though. So how does the thread sentiment affect your posting? If other people call me scum too why does that mean you need to over-explain yourself? Also how are my last posts world championshipesque? Also could you answer my points 2 and 3 in my case? | ||
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