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On December 02 2013 13:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 13:55 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 13:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes of course it does not make him town for sure. He could have just forgot or maybe scum are not cooperating well.
But all in all it is a factor that should be considered. Reasonable point raised. I would rebut by adding that ?6 players didn't submit picks. I don't want to use this argument to assume all are town. The safest course of action I think is to treat this tell as null. Yeah but only 2 of them did post (more than once) and did not pick. onlywonderboy - posted but probably just forgot because replaced (made ~1 post) ticklishmusic - posted Roffles - inactive Bill Murray - inactive jaybrundage - posted nyxnyxnyx - inactive
need to update your list
a few of those people got replaced
nyx (by lsb i think) bill and owb(you pointed owb)
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On December 02 2013 14:05 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 13:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 13:55 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 13:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes of course it does not make him town for sure. He could have just forgot or maybe scum are not cooperating well.
But all in all it is a factor that should be considered. Reasonable point raised. I would rebut by adding that ?6 players didn't submit picks. I don't want to use this argument to assume all are town. The safest course of action I think is to treat this tell as null. Yeah but only 2 of them did post (more than once) and did not pick. onlywonderboy - posted but probably just forgot because replaced (made ~1 post) ticklishmusic - posted Roffles - inactive Bill Murray - inactive jaybrundage - posted nyxnyxnyx - inactive need to update your list a few of those people got replaced nyx (by lsb i think) bill and owb(you pointed owb)
Yeah that was not the purpose. The purpose was that those people who did not post at all could be anything, it's a null-tell as they were straight out inactive (i am counting OWB on this too).
What i meant was jay & ticklishmusic could be town based on them not sending in numbers. I find it hard to believe scum would forget to send in numbers as they will cooperate off-thread anyways.
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On December 01 2013 03:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes. Yes. Good. Good. Geript I refuse to try and read you right now. Jay prolly town. VE
Can you shed more light on this read.
I am confused due to your stance on Marv:
On December 01 2013 02:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
No I don't think marv's posts thus far have been alignment indicative - honestly very little about what happens today is going to affect my read of people because very little can be held accountable (we get three bans and only one vote, so people will be spread out with the excuse of "well maybe my ban will be one of the top three") until we can actually vote to lynch people.
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Mocsta, can you give me quick reads on the following people (a couple of words will do fine):
supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie.
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is there a meta for mafia to not send powers in?
i could see it this set up because all the roles have extra hidden stuff, so imo it would be pretty easy to get a power as a lower pick.
This might also factor in the list? (which list gets used for abilities? the sign up list or the list for number picks)
new concept still a bit lost.
But imo i wouldn't put anyone that did not submit in "town circle" or even leaning town.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On December 02 2013 14:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 14:05 StorrZerg wrote:On December 02 2013 13:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 02 2013 13:55 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 13:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Yes of course it does not make him town for sure. He could have just forgot or maybe scum are not cooperating well.
But all in all it is a factor that should be considered. Reasonable point raised. I would rebut by adding that ?6 players didn't submit picks. I don't want to use this argument to assume all are town. The safest course of action I think is to treat this tell as null. Yeah but only 2 of them did post (more than once) and did not pick. onlywonderboy - posted but probably just forgot because replaced (made ~1 post) ticklishmusic - posted Roffles - inactive Bill Murray - inactive jaybrundage - posted nyxnyxnyx - inactive need to update your list a few of those people got replaced nyx (by lsb i think) bill and owb(you pointed owb) Yeah that was not the purpose. The purpose was that those people who did not post at all could be anything, it's a null-tell as they were straight out inactive (i am counting OWB on this too). What i meant was jay & ticklishmusic could be town based on them not sending in numbers. I find it hard to believe scum would forget to send in numbers as they will cooperate off-thread anyways.
Jay's posted enough for us to work off. Just the initial assignment and the speculation he's drawing up just seems shifty as hell. Everything he's proposed has had 0 followup action, as well as a bunch of crap to throw the thread off topic (apostrophes and just shit posting in general) so that he's not held accountable for what he proposes. The reasoning for him wanting to kill Marv he gives is absolutely absurd and tells me he just views him as a strong player that he wants to eliminate just because he's a strong player.
All talk 0 action from him thus far. He dodges every question thrown his way with "I don't have a legit reasoning, just a gut feel". If he's not scum, then he's god awful at playing town.
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jay is basically a lynchbait as town afaik.
Does not make him town, obviously, but worth of double-checking and not just blindly lynching him.
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The fact that ~80% of the players straight up refused to scumhunt before D1 speaks in jay's favor. He at least tried to tell who he thinks is scum and why.
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so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you
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On December 02 2013 14:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, can you give me quick reads on the following people (a couple of words will do fine):
supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie.
SS - Null.
Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game.
I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null.
Geript - Soft town lean.
Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie.
OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean
Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII.
Storrzerg - Null
No idea, nothing really to work off
Sandroba - Null
Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game.
Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out.
gtrsrs - Soft town lean
I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days. 
Oatsmaster - ??
It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally.
He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good...
I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips??
Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean
He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting?
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On December 02 2013 14:39 gtrsrs wrote:
so who took kha'zix? i declared that i was taking him and so you are scum for taking him. please come forward so i can lynch you
I wanted him, but left him cos of you
I went with The Guy that plays with himself
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On December 02 2013 14:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
jay is basically a lynchbait as town afaik.
Does not make him town, obviously, but worth of double-checking and not just blindly lynching him.
I don't like this logic, I've seen jay have some pretty good games before and even if he's bad as town doesn't give him a free pass.
Also you're dead wrong on VE.
I also really don't like LSB's claim. He's probably telling the truth about the role, but tryndamere is such a scum role it feels like he's trying to hide in plain sight by claiming it. He's barely posted so I can't really draw on a correlation between his behavior and possible motives for claiming but I don't like it and will be keeping a close eye on how he uses the role.
But let's leave gut feelings aside for now and get to some actual scum hunting.
Our first lynch should be on gtrsrs:
Sheeps the general thread atmosphere
On November 30 2013 17:04 gtrsrs wrote:
##Ban: Yorick
pretty straightforward. graves and talon seem like good bans as well
He plays the noob card with shit like "also since a lot of you are more experienced or adamant about this game and the order, i'll pick somewhat low numbers so i don't harsh your vibe
sorry for the terrible post but seeing as most of the posts so far have also been terrible i don't feel so bad."
He complains about the thread but does nothing productive himeslf:
On December 02 2013 02:18 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 01:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
So much LoL. So much. All of my LoLs. is there any way we can cut these posts out? not really adding much to the game. makes me lose focus when trying to catch up. did i read the page where X lol'd at Y? did i read the page where Y lol'd back at X? it's a huge turnoff and i don't want to say it looks scummy but it makes me want to vote for people spamming this shit just so we don't have to read it all game
His last three posts are then talking about taking khazix.
In summary, gtrsr sheeps the thread, plays the noob card, complains about the thread atmosphere (something I've noticed has been a pretty popular scum move lately.. or at least the last time I played) and then comments on nothing going on in the thread and just talks about the champ he wants to pick. He is clearly not helping the town and is simply skirting under the radar.
##Vote: gtrsrs
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I picked Lux. My other ability is her ult - use your imagination.
So how do you say we go about doing this? In a normal game KP can be used to clear out lurkers, but with the HP mechanic that makes it less attractive for that application. I'm probably going to favor lynching scummy lurkers even more so in this game than others simply for that reason - in this way we force scum to post if they want to live, so that when they die there's more linkages.
Right now I'm most suspicious of gtsrs.
On December 02 2013 02:18 gtrsrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 01:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
So much LoL. So much. All of my LoLs. is there any way we can cut these posts out? not really adding much to the game. makes me lose focus when trying to catch up. did i read the page where X lol'd at Y? did i read the page where Y lol'd back at X? it's a huge turnoff and i don't want to say it looks scummy but it makes me want to vote for people spamming this shit just so we don't have to read it all game
Oats pointed this out (++) but this post is extremely bad from gtsrs. Like, yes there were a couple of one-liner posts in the thread...but for the most part the thread was devoid of anyone doing anything due to the holiday and it just seemed really disingenuous to call out trash posting WITH a contentless trash post that says literally nothing about the game.
##Vote: gtsrs
@Moc
I explained to geript why I think Jay is likely town - it's a meta read having played scum with him in the past based on his activity in this game. It's not a super strong one...like, I'll actually read a case on him or whatever, but it's enough to make me look elsewhere for myself.
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United States21170 Posts
MZ, we're like...mind linked bro.
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I think gtrsrs is one of the most transparent players in the game so far. Not gonna vote for him.
Why is VE town for you? How is VE helping the town?
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On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 14:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, can you give me quick reads on the following people (a couple of words will do fine):
supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie. SS - Null. Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game. I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null. Geript - Soft town lean. Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie. OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII. Storrzerg - Null No idea, nothing really to work off Sandroba - Null Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game. Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out. gtrsrs - Soft town lean I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days. Oatsmaster - ?? It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally. He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good... I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips?? Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting?
Interesting. I think all of those people are town.
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I want opinions from everybody in the thread on gtrsrs and geript.
I'm not doing an analysis of geript right now since people keep calling him town. I'll accept that I might be wrong for now. But I want people to justify these reads instead of just sheeping rayn. If everyone just continue to parrot rayn I'll go do some digging of my own but right now gtrsrs is my primary goal.
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It's pretty weird that people are calling other people out for "doing nothing but setup speculation before D1" when basically noone has done any scumhunting at all and when someone tried some idiot shut it down.
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United States21170 Posts
I'm leaning green on geript, but I have a hard time reading that dude. I probably won't lynch today, but definitely NOT because rayn said he's town.
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On December 02 2013 15:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 14:50 Mocsta wrote:On December 02 2013 14:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Mocsta, can you give me quick reads on the following people (a couple of words will do fine):
supersoft, geript, OdinOfPergo, Storrzerg, sandroba, gtrsrs, Oatsmaster, justanothertownie. SS - Null. Most of his posts are setup speculation which is acceptable either alignment at this phase of the game. I admit I haven't played with a scum SS; but I also havent played with a pleasant one either. It makes me naturally assume something is different. Hes active though which is a good sign too. Yes, null. Geript - Soft town lean. Trolling Geript is null. But this Geript appears to be trying to push the thread into a certain direction - using reasoning vs slander. I also like that he is trying to make "look at me statements" to be noticed. He *wants* the attention. For this stage of the game I think thats pretty townie. OdinOfPergo - Null to soft scum lean Very setup oriented filter so i dont place a lot value in having activity. Half the stuff hes takling about I have no idea about because I'm not familiar with LoL. Hes also got an early Day0 obsession with Jay which hasn't relented, yet, he seems to be asking the opinion of others rather than talk to Jay to firm up a read?. This is kinda reminding me of how I approached Storrzerg in Mafia LXIII. Storrzerg - Null No idea, nothing really to work off Sandroba - Null Sandroba is known for good plans as town so its natural for him to easily receive buy-in // propose something conceived pre-game. Hes also known for lurking as scum. Hes given reasoning for lack of activity, so I think he will become pretty clear over the next 48hrs especially with roles being out. gtrsrs - Soft town lean I hate players like this. Troll. Its pretty light hearted, and the joke he made on Sandroba made me laugh, which is probably a good sign - as joviality is hard to fake. Most of the stuff is selfish setup talk which probably indicates town that will be useless to moving the thread forward i.e. the usual TL sign up these days. Oatsmaster - ?? It looks like hes trying to stir the pot intentionally. He seriously couldnt think that SS vet idea was good... I honestly have no idea how to read this guy anymore, he used to have direction in his pushes as town. Tips?? Justanothertownie - Null to Soft scum lean He is uncharacteristically active/assertive. The games I played with JAT he was pretty timid. Here he is calling people stupid and just in general seems to be on edge. I find he also talks to Rayn as if auto-assuming Rayn is town. White knighting? Interesting. I think all of those people are town. I just mislynched in MYLO. Excuse me if I'm cautious.
Can u please explain me the oats town read.
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