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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 02:46:23
December 16 2011 02:40 GMT
#61
Am i mistaken, or do we now have 4 provinces of unlawful territory? That stops our expansion until the first of them core in 1460, because that is already +1 infamy/year. Our current ruler is good at diplomacy, and with the HRE bonus and maybe a diplomat one can reduce this amount to below zero, but only barely. It also bleeds our prestige really fast. I would really suggest that if you fight inside the HRE, you don't annex stuff. Vassalize everything, and maybe grab something outside of the HRE if you really want to have new territory. Uncored HRE territory is one of the worst things one can have. Sure, waiting for those 4 provinces to core might make sense now, but i really don't think we should go further down that road. We can even get subjugation CBs from missions. If you want new territory, it should be taken outside of the empire. France is not far away, if you can manage to take them down by getting a lot of other nations like burgundy involved, you can take nice juicy non-hre territory. Venice is not a member of the HRE, either.

Or do something completely different. Trade, build, shout at englishmen, whatever.

Playing a theocracy inside the HRE is surely different from playing a monarchy, but i wouldn't say it is necessarily bad. Just find something to do that does not involve Personal Unions. From what i see in that safegame, the nation is surely not doing "bad". We got some money, nearly zero inflation, and low infamy. If you hire a diplomat as an advisor, you even have some infamy to spend. Trading should be possible, we have acceptable sliders. Maybe use all those guys we have at the top of the screen for something, and everything should be fine. I also don't get where people get this idea that trading gets harder the longer the game goes on. If you have a good Free Trade Slider, low infamy and no noncored CoTs, and maybe 1-2 ideas, you can always trade. This might be true if you are some non-european country with backwards technology, but unless you lag significantly behind i have never had any problem at all.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 03:05:07
December 16 2011 03:02 GMT
#62
On December 16 2011 11:40 Simberto wrote:
you don't annex stuff. Vassalize everything,


My god this. The downsides to annexation are just too great when compared to Vassalage. I think people REALLY underestimate how powerful OPM's and TPM's can be when you have ~8 of them lined up as your Vassal/Ally.

Hint: It's more manpower and military might than you could have and sustain with those same countries annexed for yourself, and significantly lesser of a burden to control with no ULT, infamy, and revolt risk. Having 10 small countries in your vassalage can easily equal ~50k troops at your disposal at any time since they can't declare a Call to Arms. And the AI stacks them. You could literally beat fucking France with a handful of vassals if you play your cards right. I remember back in my Alsace game, I (hilariously) beat Bohemia AND Austria at the same damn time with ~20 of my vassals in like 1500. It's extremely powerful for a small nation.

And later on, when you want to expand? Cancel vassalage one at a time and declare war on the allianceless OPM's and TPM's that were yours the entire time and annex them real fast, whilst diplo annexing a few others no problem.

Not to criticize, not at all. The last few people have done a cracker jack job. We needed to move out of OPM status and get a good foothold in Europe. However, as Simberto said, we have FOUR unlawful territories with our small ass country. That just can't fly. Although I'm not in the game, I would really make the suggestion to not take ANYTHING else for a damn long time and start getting allies and vassaling shit. Once you get that web of alliances, you start getting Alliance CB's on damn near everyone with no one able to stop you.
Bairemuth
Profile Joined June 2010
United States404 Posts
December 16 2011 05:14 GMT
#63
I didn't realize everyone here were professional EU3 players haha. Anywho, I don't think our country has to be supremely successful to develop an interesting AAR. I mean wasn't that the point of this succession game anyways...to have an awesome AAR? Sometimes failures or missteps are more interesting than complete raping success.

With that said, I do agree with the advice. And I really wish I would have changed back our initial national idea to something useful (shrewd commerce or national trade) since the stability loss would have been irrelevant as such a small nation.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 09:48:20
December 16 2011 09:44 GMT
#64
On December 16 2011 11:40 Simberto wrote:
Am i mistaken, or do we now have 4 provinces of unlawful territory? That stops our expansion until the first of them core in 1460, because that is already +1 infamy/year. Our current ruler is good at diplomacy, and with the HRE bonus and maybe a diplomat one can reduce this amount to below zero, but only barely. It also bleeds our prestige really fast. I would really suggest that if you fight inside the HRE, you don't annex stuff. Vassalize everything, and maybe grab something outside of the HRE if you really want to have new territory. Uncored HRE territory is one of the worst things one can have. Sure, waiting for those 4 provinces to core might make sense now, but i really don't think we should go further down that road. We can even get subjugation CBs from missions. If you want new territory, it should be taken outside of the empire. France is not far away, if you can manage to take them down by getting a lot of other nations like burgundy involved, you can take nice juicy non-hre territory. Venice is not a member of the HRE, either.

Or do something completely different. Trade, build, shout at englishmen, whatever.

Playing a theocracy inside the HRE is surely different from playing a monarchy, but i wouldn't say it is necessarily bad. Just find something to do that does not involve Personal Unions. From what i see in that safegame, the nation is surely not doing "bad". We got some money, nearly zero inflation, and low infamy. If you hire a diplomat as an advisor, you even have some infamy to spend. Trading should be possible, we have acceptable sliders. Maybe use all those guys we have at the top of the screen for something, and everything should be fine. I also don't get where people get this idea that trading gets harder the longer the game goes on. If you have a good Free Trade Slider, low infamy and no noncored CoTs, and maybe 1-2 ideas, you can always trade. This might be true if you are some non-european country with backwards technology, but unless you lag significantly behind i have never had any problem at all.


dont worry, unlawful isnt a problem after my go x)


i cant believe that chart saying theocracy is even more stupid than i thought oh well all the time i put into governement tech will get us another idea sooner :p cant complain


aar will be up in a few hours!
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10706 Posts
December 16 2011 09:56 GMT
#65
Annexing is what true leaders do.
Vassaling is what burocrat pansies do.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 12:52:12
December 16 2011 12:43 GMT
#66
In the year of 1428, the great ruler of Alsace, Wilhelm the third awoke with a shock. His ambitions of becoming one of the great emperors of the world had blinded him. His military expansion had put him on a road to an inevitable war with the Austrians who, with the backing of the roman empire, would be an insurmountable foe.

He knew his only way to avoid conflict with them would be to befriend them while still considered a minor power. He must, for the time being abandon his military, and engage in diplomacy in order to secretly gain power within the empire Springing a trap for the great Germanic nations that they would never see coming. He told his government to abandon their military ideologies and to concentrate on increasing the wealth and power of the small state.

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In order to avoid the ire of the emperor, the archbishop realised he would have to put a puppet back on the throne of those who he had previously conquered. it was not what he wanted, but he was fully aware that for the time being he could not hope to defend his country if the emperor decided to do his duty and reclaim those lands.

The Archbishop felt that God would prefer him to unite the people in a peaceful way, saving devout lives would of been of utmost importance, so it came as a great shock when war engulfed most of europe in the year 1438. The treacherous Bavarians had somehow claimed the imperial thrown, the turmoil would engulf the region in war for almost a decade.

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He knew this must be a divine test from God. an opportunity must be out there, Alsace would summon a new mercenary army and expand his influence while the foolish Germans were battling each other.

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The Austrians, who had pledged to defend the minor duchies while they were still holding the position of emperor were unable to fulfill their promises. Their tiny army of reinforcements could not cross the mountain ranges of south Alsace without facing annihilation and the mighty army of God, led by Wilhelm himself emerged victorious forcing peace with the world later that year.

Content that he had passed Gods test Wilhelm returned to his peaceful policies of trading and diplomacy, awaiting the next divine opportunity to expand his power.

our realm, and the world

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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11509 Posts
December 16 2011 13:35 GMT
#67
Just to clarify, have you informed the next in line? That is your job now in the new set of "Simberto is lazy"-rules.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 13:44:13
December 16 2011 13:42 GMT
#68
i didnt, but noone informed me either i just... you know, read the thread :D

edit: done it now
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 14:28:29
December 16 2011 14:28 GMT
#69
Did you put Ansbach and Mainz in your Vassalage or are they simply Allies?

Nicely done spreading Christendom, nonetheless!
Stolat
Profile Joined June 2010
Poland241 Posts
December 16 2011 14:40 GMT
#70
Claiming my spot !
UF fight!
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 16 2011 15:18 GMT
#71
On December 16 2011 23:28 Fruscainte wrote:
Did you put Ansbach and Mainz in your Vassalage or are they simply Allies?

Nicely done spreading Christendom, nonetheless!


vassels, look at the screenshot!
Stolat
Profile Joined June 2010
Poland241 Posts
December 16 2011 17:21 GMT
#72
Ups... That is all i can say
UF fight!
fofa2000
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada548 Posts
December 16 2011 17:38 GMT
#73
Wow abig yellow blob!
-smells likes tasty soup, what's the menu?-fresh jaedong style marine stew served with a glass of dragoon slush!-The food's any good?Quite unusual names, never heard-all my food's good, the kitchen's this way-btw whatu terarn doing alone in a zerg colony?
Stolat
Profile Joined June 2010
Poland241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 19:09:10
December 16 2011 17:49 GMT
#74
The successful era of Wilhelm III was coming to an end. Last years of his reign were peaceful and quite successful. He managed to increase trade value, Some treaties were signed with lesser countries inside HRE. He didn`t suppose, that good and prosperous times were coming to an end, and dark clouds were gathering stronger and stronger upon country of Alsace.

In a year 1452 Wilhelm died. A new Archbishop started to rule - Kuno II. With superior military skills whole country hoped to see some new territorial gains. However, as history later showed that never happened.
[image loading]

With some diplomacy experiance, Kuno tried to aquire new allies for his future wars. But all his efforts were unsuccessful. He decided to join some minor war with Portugal against Mammluks. He didn`t saw that he was not the only one. Bavaria joined the war as well. They were allied with Portugal too! When he figured that out his hair changed from brown to white! Alsace was surrounded with foes. Austria, France and Switzerland told us that they guarantee our independence, but in fact - they were laughing behind our backs.

Kuno was desperate to find some real allies. He joined another war with Portugal, against Algiers, he supported Austrian emperor in HRE reform. [image loading]

Alsace was unlucky in trade either. We lost almost all merchants in Europe. Kuno decided to change a bit policy. He moved trade slider towards free trade. With that move a new advisor appeared. Although, Alsace was almost broke and could not afford him. So he took loan. Just few months after he spent all money available, the worst nightmare turnout to be true.

Bavaria declared war on our Vassal - Ansbach. We took over leadership in this war. But the case was lost before it even begun. There were more great countries on our enemy side. Traitors Portugal, Switzerland, and some small HRE countries. Kuno II had to take another loan, form army and lead them to fight. However it was to late, and our forces where no match against our rivals. More than 20.000 troops invaded Alsace and our allies, and we could do nothing to stop them. All our fights were lost, our land occupied, and our peace offers rejected. We were waiting for the worst. We had to surrender to Augsburg and Switzerland, losing our vassals. The only good thing was that we gained cores on our provinces.

But hopefully, that worst never came. Bavaria and their allies were satisfied with annexing our vassals (Brunschwick and Ansbach). So their peace offer was more than generous. [image loading]

The war was lost, our country was broke. To fulfill this reign of upsets, heretics rebels took control over Breisgau. Kuno decided to call another army. But his army was to weak. He was defeated twice, so he decided to detach siege in Breisgau, while Heretic rebels decided to do the same in our capital. The next day after this decision, Kuno II was found dead in his bed. There war rumours, that he committed suicide, but nobody had any prove.

New Archbishop was someway blessed. His diplomacy and military skills were not that good. But he had what Kuno was lacking - LUCK. [image loading]

Heretics took over our capital just before we were able to regain control of Breisgau. And just like that - they now were on our side! We gained almost 6k man and quite good leader! Franz Egon decided to repair our budget and trade. He extended loan, maxed trasury for one year. Although we gained almost 1 inflation point we were able to repay loans. With this move - we successfully completed mission - "repay loans" and reduced our inflation to 0. We had some event where we gained some cash, and adopted National Trade as new idea. With this we were able to send more merchants and compete in more COTS.

Although international situation was quite bad ( very powerful neighbours, no friendly boarders and real threat from Bavaria and Burgundy) Franz Egon started to dream about conquest....


SAVE game:
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UF fight!
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 16 2011 18:41 GMT
#75
On December 16 2011 14:14 Bairemuth wrote:
I didn't realize everyone here were professional EU3 players haha. Anywho, I don't think our country has to be supremely successful to develop an interesting AAR. I mean wasn't that the point of this succession game anyways...to have an awesome AAR? Sometimes failures or missteps are more interesting than complete raping success.

With that said, I do agree with the advice. And I really wish I would have changed back our initial national idea to something useful (shrewd commerce or national trade) since the stability loss would have been irrelevant as such a small nation.


HOW DO YOU PREDICT THE FUTURE

:D
Stolat
Profile Joined June 2010
Poland241 Posts
December 16 2011 19:11 GMT
#76
That`s it. It was really fun, but not easy to play. I hope you can fix us internationally.
UF fight!
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 16 2011 20:36 GMT
#77
On December 17 2011 04:11 Stolat wrote:
That`s it. It was really fun, but not easy to play. I hope you can fix us internationally.


its cool! only caller rages on people for making mistakes
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
December 16 2011 20:43 GMT
#78
Way more interesting than a straight line to world domination- good job! Also <3 heretics.
11 years and counting- TL #680
Ramong
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1706 Posts
December 16 2011 20:47 GMT
#79
claim my spot!
"Yeah buddy"
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 21:19:04
December 16 2011 21:18 GMT
#80
Holy fuck -85 prestige?

Jesus Christ people O_O

This is like, the only time I recommend an Artist, my lord. LOL
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