EPTShady Sands preferrably, Axero is also acceptable
I don't think we're on the right track right now
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Shady Sands preferrably, Axero is also acceptable I don't think we're on the right track right now | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
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Sideni
Canada79 Posts
Since Dandel Ion proposed to lynch Lvdr first to see what is his alignement. Then, if Lvdr turns out to be mafia, that would mean Dandel Ion is mafia as well. From there, I thought that Dandel Ion wouldn't sacrifice 2 mafia players. And so, if I vote for Lvdr and he turns out to be mafia, that would mean that I have to skip all over my case on Dandel because he's ready to sacrifice 2 mafias. (which would be dumb) So, that's the reasoning behind that ! I can't vote Lvdr because if he turns out to be green, Dandel said that I was the one being lynched (He's right on that). All this confused me and I decided to choose someone else (because I know that I'm town and I don't want to get lynch on Day 2 ...) I feel a lot of confusion in what I just wrote, but I don't know how to fix it. If any questions, it will be a pleasure for me to answer. I'm currently stating, helping myself with Hapa's case on Axero, the reasons why I think he's suspicious in another post ! Shouldn't be too long. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 11 2012 06:54 Dandel Ion wrote: Can we just lynch a lurker now? Shady Sands preferrably, Axero is also acceptable I don't think we're on the right track right now I completely agree with you. Something's really really wrong here. Axero is suspicious for the reasons I've mentioned previously, but even his "ragequit" from the thread for the night seemed townie-ish. I'm a bit suspicious of GoodKarma - he's lurked, yet popped into the thread twice to tunnel suspicion on players (Sideni and Axero) all game. He hasn't contributed much, and I wouldn't mind getting a vote on GK going. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
On August 11 2012 06:57 Hapahauli wrote: I completely agree with you. Something's really really wrong here. Axero is suspicious for the reasons I've mentioned previously, but even his "ragequit" from the thread for the night seemed townie-ish. I'm a bit suspicious of GoodKarma - he's lurked, yet popped into the thread twice to tunnel suspicion on players (Sideni and Axero) all game. He hasn't contributed much, and I wouldn't mind getting a vote on GK going. Sorry guys, my flight back from Toronto was stuck on the tarmac for 2 and a half hours. Stupid American Eagle airlines. I posted my vote for Lvdr, and I'll do some analysis once I get back home from the office. | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
On August 11 2012 06:54 Dandel Ion wrote: Can we just lynch a lurker now? Shady Sands preferrably, Axero is also acceptable I don't think we're on the right track right now I actually like this approach more and more. Lets quickly hash out who the best lurker to lynch would be. | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
On August 11 2012 05:53 Dandel Ion wrote: Alright I thought about it. I think this is how I want to proceed: We lynch lvdr. He flips town, we lynch Sideni day 2 and probably mkfuba on day 3 He flips scum, you guys probably lynch me day 2 I'm pretty sure we get at least 1 scum with that. I won't lie, I'd like to have Sideni out of the game as fast as I can, but we all make our sacrifices.... It was silly for dandel ion to post that. We have no idea what is going to happen at night or what new information may come to light. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Has posted on policy, and has been tunneling suspicion on Axero and Sideni. Neither of his posts on Axero/Sideni bring up any new information either. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On August 11 2012 07:01 iamperfection wrote: It was silly for dandel ion to post that. We have no idea what is going to happen at night or what new information may come to light. Scratch that post, doesn't apply any more. | ||
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Sideni
Canada79 Posts
On August 10 2012 13:21 Hapahauli wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2012 13:12 Lvdr wrote: There is also a similarity between Axero and Golbat last game: saying you have things to post without posting them. Tough to read though: as always bad play is not necessarily scummy play. If that was the basis of my suspicion on Axero alone, I'd agree. However, there's a couple of more things that concern me: 1) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=22#423 In Axero's first post, he's very excited and happy to play the game: ... then all of a sudden he lurk lurk lurks, and openly claims to have not been reading the thread. 2) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=23#460 He posts the above, which is filled with pretty terrible logic (mafia bussing people early on day 1, lol?) 3) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#535 He posts an FOS on me based on vague logic and gut-feeling. 4) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=27#538 In this post, he uses newbiness as an excuse for not checking the thread and promises to respond after his DOTA game. So yeah, that's my case on him so far, and I just convinced myself to vote for him. If you'd like this in Wall-O-Text format, let me know. I think it's easier to read/understand for most people this way though. ##Vote Axero Adding something to your point #1 : On August 09 2012 10:04 Axero wrote: I'm torn on the lurking policy, just because I'd feel bad if I accidentally voted for a fellow townie; but we must do what we must do to save our homes! I feel that in his last sentence, he says "I'd feel bad if I accidentally voted for a fellow townie" to excuse what he's saying next to it, Let's say he would have just said : "We must do what we must do !", we would all have been on his case from the beginning ! Adding something to point #2 : On August 09 2012 14:22 Axero wrote: + Show Spoiler + That doesn't mean Hapa is a townie. Scum know who eachother are, therefore Hapa could know your alignment and could be setting you up to get lynched. It's a good way to shift focus to someone else while also seeming like a townie. It is also possible that they are both scum. Setting someone up as a sacrifice to ensure everyone views the other as a townie would seem like a very effective strategy. Just my two cents. (Post made from mobile so apologies for lack of quotes) So, let's pretend Axero is mafia. He says that YOU(Hapahauli) could be mafia trying to get an ally lynched to look like a town player. Why do you think he's talking about you ? Why are you the one he targeted ? He knows you're not mafia ! (Still assuming he's mafia) Adding something to point #3 : On August 10 2012 09:28 Axero wrote: + Show Spoiler + On August 10 2012 08:55 Hapahauli wrote: Un-Fos Lvdr and iamperfection I'm pretty satisfied with Lvdr's activity and defense so far. In addition, he's going after lurkers (Sideni) and is actively defending himself. I see enough similarities with his town play from the aborted game to give him the benefit of the doubt. As for iamperfection, I think I'm falling victim to confirmation bias on him again. My case was based around his "going with the flow," and his questioning of Promethelax kinda destroys that bit of it. I'm satisfied enough with his activity to lay down my case. However, I do find two players very suspicious at the moment: FOS Axero and GoodKarma Both players have been pretty lurky so far; Axero with 2 posts and GK with 3. Furthermore, neither has contributed anything significant to the discussion. GoodKarma's three posts have only to do with disagreeing with the lurker policy. He hasn't done anything else while everyone in the town is actively discussing/throwing around suspicions. I find his lack of posting very unsettling. Axero has two posts, one fluff/introductory post, and another that idly points suspicion: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=355874¤tpage=24#478 As I pointed out in the link above, his ideas are fairly illogical, and it reads to me like a useless-post designed only to point suspicion. FOS Hapa I've actually been pretty busy since the game started, but no I haven't made many posts. I'm sorting out my feelings on people and as this is my first game it's taking me some time to get used to it. However you are very quick to point to several people. The feeling I'm getting from you is that you're only being active to avoid suspicion. Seems like you're over doing it a little bit. Might be a snap reaction but it is how I feel at this point in the game. I want to remind you guys of Day 0.5 ! Remember when I was saying at the beginning that Hapahauli seemed suspicious to my eyes just because he was leading the game in the direction he wanted ? (with the policy, etc.) Well, he's doing exactly the same thing this time and Axero acts exactly as I did ! However, it wasn't long before I had no more suspicions on Hapa. Although, Axero haven't changed his mind since the beginning of the game. So, I feel like he would have good reasons in his head to vote for Hapahauli. Maybe Axero spotted that Hapa was leading and that he could be a threat ? (If Axero is mafia, he knows Hapa is town !) I don't know what you guys would think about that, but these are my thoughts ! Agreeing to point #4 : As you said, he never answered after his game of Dota. Perhaps it's just a null-tell, but with the 3 other points to back it up, I feel like there could be something wrong here. (Can't add much to this point) After all this talk, I decide to vote against Axero ##vote Axero | ||
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Kronen
United States732 Posts
If I had to vote now, it'd be Lvdr. LoD Sideni @Sideni: (that's for Look of Disapproval by the by) Caaaaaaalm down! Deep cleansing breath. I'm here for the vote and beyond... cogitating thoughts... | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
Kronen has been pretty lurky as well. goodkarma hasn't been very active, but this post made me think slight pro town GK didn't post a lot in XXII, but when he did, he made long posts with good analysis. I'm not that worried yet, but if he still doesn't get us something by 8-10 hours before the lynch deadline then that would be weird. If that's the case, then I'd be willing to push for a lynch, if no other candidates have emerged yet. coming immediately AFTER a long set of analysis by GK. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On August 11 2012 07:13 Lvdr wrote: ## Unvote Kronen has been pretty lurky as well. goodkarma hasn't been very active, but this post made me think slight pro town coming immediately AFTER a long set of analysis by GK. The post stamps are identical. Shady got Sniped by GK there. I consider it a null-tell. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Reactions make me think he's bad bad bad town. Like Lvdr and Dandel Ion, I think we're making a huge mistake here. | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
On August 11 2012 07:12 Kronen wrote: FoS Lvdr, Axero, Dandel. If I had to vote now, it'd be Lvdr. LoD Sideni @Sideni: (that's for Look of Disapproval by the by) Caaaaaaalm down! Deep cleansing breath. I'm here for the vote and beyond... cogitating thoughts... Can we get some reasoning? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Half the people aren't even here, so everyone that's here pretty much has to agree. ##unvote fo' reals this time | ||
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iamperfection
United States9642 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Possible Lynch Tarets GoodKarma - hasn't stuck his neck out, has played semi-lurky, and has tunneled suspicion on Axero and Sideni. It's his lack of involvement in this game that I find strange. Townies are naturally suspicious of several people and constantly switch suspicions (unless emotional). GoodKarma has played suspiciously "clean," and I think he could be mafia tunneling suspicion on two easy targets. Axero - his "ragequit" gives me a slight townie read, but I find his other behavior suspicious. I've made my views clear. Promethelax - Comes in, points a lot of fingers, picks a fight with Dandel Ion, then leaves. Call it a gut feeling, but I find his behavior strange. | ||
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Lvdr
United States418 Posts
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