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Vanesco
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Vanesco
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OdinOfPergo
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I know you guys asked me to try to keep shorter post. Ye, Umm, I can't not be transparent haha.. I was going to post a reads post and then this analysis post separately but since it's already really late I am just going to put this up as one post. It is a short novel, but I did try to keep my points cleaner so people don't get confused. I lost my Vanesco bit (bloody microsoft.). His more recent post cause me to pause but I will change my view on him tomorrow after I get home if I need to. Balla Stronger townie. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 02:51 Balla24 wrote: Also, literally everybody has been jumping on July, whereas only me and Obzy have jumped on Storr. Everybody on July makes me very weary. If you look at this post, this guy is obv scum hunting. "Oh I gave you what I think, well let me refine it and we should notice THIS" The only thing about Balla is my pevious point I asked him regarding his question on pg 36. I'm going to leave it at this for now since he was around when I got back and we already hashed things out. Vanesco Lighter Townie. Well, word hates me. I will ad this bit tomorrow after I get home. Nyx Null + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 05:02 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i actually believe E00e. let's just say i woke up at 4am for a reason and maybe it's to save you E00e. ##unvote ##Vote: OdinOfPergo I really don't like this post but I do at the same time. If I take Nyx's stance, I just woke up, brushed past what I could for half a second... and then passed back out after I changed my views on said info. Now if I assume he's been here the whole time then this looks pretty bad. But juding from this game and our last game together.. I don't have enough to call you anything other than bad town. Can you elaborate farther on why you think the argument vs me with Jonny/E00 train is valid and changed over to me in your own words? I don't really like the fact you went missing until this next vote but it fits your playstlye well enough I suppose. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 12:52 nyxnyxnyx wrote: yay i wasn't on the wrongwagon! i would think one of the people who voted July is scum, and possibly also include other early-voters-who-went-inactive-before-deadline (sadly includes me) + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 13:34 nyxnyxnyx wrote: what's your point storr? I'm not entirely sure if I understand Storr's post correctly but I'm inclined to think you just don't get the point he's trying to make. I also don't really feel like his argument is wrong though considering if I hadn't played with you before I'd probably be a lot more suspiscious than I am of you. I'll have a stronger read on you if you answer my prior point, and on how you respond to the Storr case. Cake Null. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2013 15:36 cakemanofdoom wrote: As I admitted, I made bad posts. Nothing about what I've done will flat out clear me, and it's perfectly reasonable to keep an eye on me. My priority is finding mafia, or at least a good day one lynch. Think it's more important than clearing my name right now. So without further ado, main reads after rereading filters: Tehpoofter started by jumping on me. Reasonable. But the reasoning he provided, about me not directly addressing Balla, feels like a way to seem productive rather than an actual contribution. I think he talks about outside matters too much for my taste; it just isn't helpful and I think that the only game-relevant effect is as an excuse for lurking. From then on, he's been continuing to attack me or explaining himself. His explanations are pretty logical to me, but he's also not being helpful. I still think there's a good chance he's scum. Storr: It's great that he's trying to direct town to be productive, but he isn't providing anything that helps find mafia (seems helpful without providing the most important part). He's been around in the thread a bit too long for that to seem normal. And it looks like he's not going to be helpful for a while. He looks bad, he knows it, not much more to say. I'll be waiting for his analyses. onlywonderboy: I'm not liking what he's posted. Only person he's casted suspicion on is me, which takes no effort. He also mentions that I'm not super scummy for some reason. Meanwhile, he just tells us to look for other lynch options from nyx and July, but he doesn't call them town personally go looking for any lynch options. Might be mafia deflecting from a teammate or two, but it seems a bit silly to make connections with teammates already. It also keeps town from doing stuff, if he tries to move the conversation around without telling who he thinks should be talked about. I think it's likely that he's trying to look good and openminded without committing to any reads, which is scummy. Contribute more please. July: Very first post, he makes a point to call it his "town post". What. This looks like he only cares about looking town, not finding mafia. I don't think mafia would be dumb enough to say that. Then he states repeatedly that he won't make useless posts, but each one of those posts is useless. I don't even know what to think. At this point I'm feeling a poofter lynch. July confuses me more than anything. He looks bad, but I don't see how his posts help mafia. I'm waiting on Storr's actual analyses, but with his lack of content I'd settle for lynching him. poofter being useless after being called out several times is what I think makes him look worse than owb, but if owb doesn't contribute more I'd be fine with lynching him too. On October 31 2013 16:08 cakemanofdoom wrote: Odin, anything in particular you want from me? I can try to address any burning questions you have, though I'd rather focus on scumhunting since it doesn't look like I need to defend myself from a lynch right now. This is good reasoning Cake. I apologize for missing these post. You tell me why you are thinking what you are, and that makes me start to question my read on you. And then you ask me to explain myself again after the fact. The stances you took here and then afterwards were enough for me to decide I needed to rethink my stance. Jonny Light/moderate scum. + Show Spoiler + On October 31 2013 21:04 E00e wrote: If only my opinion mattered I would lynch Odin now. A lot of their posts seem so much over the top and look like how I imagine someone very nervous in a real conversation. Also I dont like some of their posts that just distract. This is not a super strong mafia read and I know we have to get a majority and I will most likely be able to be reading the thread near the deadline Btw I cant help but read Odin's post where every new sentence is a new line like poem and it makes them sound funny in my head. And so it begins. The train on myself bears it's fangs. I don't like how you and Jonny immediate jump to the conclusion that I am just outright lying. More so after the conclusion on like pg 32-33 we come to. Why didn't you just wait until I had a chance to explain it in the first place? A simple misunderstanding on how I type up my post, and I get, after I've left, "Burn the witch!" I won't repeat any of the post you made throughout most of this because I'm sure everyone can remember anyway. The major points to them were: This guy is obiously lying and should be lynched right now. That sort of play doesn't look bad to me if you push it right after I post if you don't understand something.. But when you come in later and try to claim shenanigans when I've said I will be missing until perhaps the end of the day just seems like you're trying to pick apart my post and then ride in a mis-lynch. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 06:45 JonnyLaw wrote: As the deadline approaches I still don't see how july is the best lynch target. July's posting with confidence albeit it's not good. If july flips town what have we learned? Absolutely nothing. Even E00e is better because he condemned Odin so harshly. Storr is even better at this point. He's still failing to contribute anything useful. Fuck it, if we need 7th vote I'm doing it but I see no gain of information from July's shitposting. I must of missed this, where is e00 railing me hard? he pretty much started this with a statement about me that you took and blew up while I was gone. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 07:00 JonnyLaw wrote: No, if E00e flips town I feel okay dropping odin as a read. Are you kidding me Obzy? July's said whatever he wants all game not caring what anyone else has said about him. If that's not confidence it's stupidity if he's scum. I believe most players in this game are not stupid. As July on my scum reads (as far as you know), what makes you drop your case vs me? When I got back and talked to you thats fine. But I don't follow you at all with this. What about one of my scum reads makes me look town to you? I pulled this quote but you also mention this same statement after July flipped. Expand on this please.. e00 Light scum Ok despite what took place while I was gone, I won't strait out call you bad for it. I don't like this though. + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 04:43 E00e wrote: At this point I feel like I will get lynched because I got the initial votes nearing the dead line and people signing off with them. If you are going to vote for me because you just want to have somebody lynched Id like to remind you that a few people could be the target of this vote and the votes on me really started with the accusations on me that I disproved (at least no one said otherwise after I posted my statements about them). I believe other players could still get lynched and if you vote you should conscious of the fact that is just a "bad feeling". You are avialable, why not try to convince us of your innocense? But instead of doing that you jump onto me with Jonny + Show Spoiler + On November 01 2013 04:53 E00e wrote: As I said I will be around for now and I already said who I would like to lynch the most so I dont feel like my vote is important right now, but here it is: ##vote: OdinOfPergo Which bring me back to my question I asked Jonny. Why would you lynch a townie for a smiple mis-understanding? Pretty much everyone aggrees my post where venty. I pull attention to this myself when I got back. But niether of you gave me a chance for it. You started a train and rolled with it. And then you fall off the radar for a good long time. Which makes me wonder if my scum read here is correct. I will need to re-read with fresh eyes tomorrow but if you could tell me about your thoughts here I'd have an easier time one way or the other. | ||
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OdinOfPergo
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OdinOfPergo
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If something doesn't make sense or if I need to expand on any of my points bring them up to me. I know this was a problem before and I don't want pointless confusion because I can't format a freaking post. I will be around tomorrow to discuss anything. | ||
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E00e
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If July was missing one vote and no one else was near being lynched I would have changed my vote to them. I tried to convince people by refuting the two accusations on me. Remaining was a bad feeling about me which I did not believe I could change that day, but the next day. | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
On November 01 2013 13:23 Vanesco wrote: ...He has seemed to lost his cakeman accusation which he had for more than half the game and seems to be fine on sitting on the easy votes at that time, E00e and then July. He also votes on July after July had voted on him, maybe a revenge vote by poofter. Currently I am curious why his scum read of cake all game long went away and turned to E00e as soon as some votes and accusations of E00e were in. This is the exert about why I was not voting on/talking about cake the rest of the day yesterday. On October 31 2013 18:17 Tehpoofter wrote: I really want to vote for you to be lynched because I think you're harping on old information in lue of bringing up new info (until your last post where you brought up July whom I have suspicion on as well but I can't ignore what you say) Now the only reason I'm not currently voting for you is because I agree with the point storr was bringing up that we need to all focus in on making sure we get a lynch tonight because sleeping night 1 is only a win for mafia. With that said unless there are more people that end up agreeing with me and don't just sheep on to you I will be leaving you alone for the remainder of the day unless something comes up. More to come on who I think we should lynch. I didn't think I could get enough votes on cake yesterday and I think a no lynch is a town mistake day 1. I went on to in my next post give my reads on the current vote getters and where I stood on each. I then put my vote in for E00e saying he needed to talk more and that his responses up until that point had seemed very sheepy or redirect oriented as oppossed to new information and poking. That is why I changed from cake to E00e, then E00e came on and made a couple of good posts even about July. July at the same time made some, what I thought were very anti town posts, about not voting and then called me out as inactive. I then gave a case on july and also saying that I had at that point gotten away from E00e because of his posts which I addressed in my next post (feel free to check out my filter for a clearer picture) That clear up my vote changing? | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
I don't usually like meta posts but I think this one is pretty important. If you are being lynched as town defend yourself, speak up! Let us know what you can do to help the town and why you our town, going quietly into the night doesn't help us at all!! RIP July. | ||
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Tehpoofter
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On November 01 2013 13:04 cakemanofdoom wrote: He talks more about real life than anyone else, as far as I can tell. I don't know why he felt that need, and I think such posts do little but excuse lurking. I have addressed before and am definitely not the only person to have let others know when I wasn't going to be here for rl reasons(despite not doing it in the past two days) I think this is just rehashing the same thing against me over and over and I read that as scummy. I will be compiling a case again as I think cake is a good person to be looking at day 2 as scum. @Johnny I think he tunnels entirely too hard onto people. I didn't like the way Odin was posting either format wise and his accusations the first time he posted seemed to be off. But the way johnny harped on the one point over and over repeatedly really reads as scummy to me, honestly if this had been after a night phase I would think he had a read on him as scum or something and was trying to soft claim but since this was day 1 it just seemed like he was going HAM on one thing that I will agree was off but not worth the multiple posts made on it. These two Cake and Johnny are my biggest scum reads atm. Town reads to follow. | ||
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Tehpoofter
United States2911 Posts
I also have a town read on Van. I have liked the arguments he has made even when he made some points on me I thought that his points were logical and his activity has been very good. I think that the way he responded to Johnny's early accusations was on point and I agreed with his most recent case on Johnny being scummy. I didn't like his post where he broke down the 3 way argument between Balla Odin and Johnny I like that he is trying to draw conclusions from something like that but I don't agree that much ended up coming out of it from my perspective. Conclusion: Town in order of strongest read Obyz(confirmed), Balla then Van Everyone I haven't listen I'm not leaning heavily one way or the other as of yet. Goodnight everyone I hope we can weed out some scum tomorrow hopefully we will get more insight into what we are facing tonight be it just mafia or mafia + SK or whatever. | ||
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iamperfection
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Balla24
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nyxnyxnyx
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Balla24
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Particularly this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=433102¤tpage=25#492 There's no reasoning here when there really should be. Why? Check out the surrounding posts: 1. Reads on everyone. I called him out to give his top 2 reads in detail, in this post he said E00 wasn't giving enough to get a read. 2. In "top 2 reads" post I asked for, he flip flops on E00 and calls him scum and eventually votes for him. 3. He unvotes E00 with no reasoning (the post i linked) 4. He says E00 is still one of his top scum reads, votes on July, and calls Odin scummy. He's leaving a LOT of options on the table. | ||
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Balla24
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On November 02 2013 01:04 nyxnyxnyx wrote: i'm around right now. could you quote or be more specific? no, do the work yourself. i don't even care that much on your thoughts anymore actually since i've switched topics lol.. please be more pro-active though | ||
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Balla24
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When you're around, try to be active, if thread is dead, post SOMETHING. It's hard enough for you to have conversations with people because you're on the other side of the world, but how can you expect to help town if you don't do anything during the times where nobody else is here. | ||
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Balla24
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I do want your thoughts on the events of post-vote: - My case on Jonny - Jonny's case of me - Odin? I'm just mad the thread is dead while i'm asleep but only half the thread is here for vote deadline :/ | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
jonny has some strong belief that july is not scum. this belief is proven correct when july flips town, so he's now mad that no one listened and is taking it out on you in particular because you prodded him. you are answering his questions, but not to his liking. at this point it seems like both of you are just getting pissy at each other when i believe both are in fact, town. | ||
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Balla24
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Now, i'd like some thoughts on Vonthin/E00, who hopefully will show up soon. I forgot to mention, which was one of my main points on Vonthin: He effectively dissapears for the actual vote, asking about someone's reads who may or may not be there, but that's it. As if he was just waiting for it to go through, feels scummy, it's something I did in my 2 games as scum occasionally. | ||
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