On January 17 2011 19:00 moopie wrote:
Violet played that decently, but not attacking with those zealots while the mutas were attacking his bases was sloppy. He could have finished this off much more cleanly.

Still, Violet hwaiting!

That would've been a horrible decision. Killer could've stuffed the small choke with hydras and only 2 zealots could really be attacking anything of worth while the hydras and 3 sunks pound away at his zealots. He did EXACTLY what he should've done: Mass up dragoons to so he could beat Killer's army and break a sim city.

He didn't have hydras. The obs showed his nat. He was doing nothing but pumping mutas, trying to regain a foothold since he couldn't stand up to the zealots. He attacks the nat, forcing Violet to make goons and sairs. All he had were those ~8 hydras from the initial attack before the mutas.

Violet has a ton of zealots, sitting around, watching the mutas and having a siesta. If the zealots attacked the nat, Killer would have been forced to pull the mutas back on the defensive (and still lose his simcity), while violet could just continue to macro up waves like he did on JD due to his superior econ and tech.

Excuse me? Killer was making hydras in response to the attack at his third before he made the muta switch. It doesn't take more than 10 hydras, which he obviously had, to clog that choke. Violet TRIED moving towards Killer's second right when mutas were hatching, saw the double sunken with hydras at the choke and mutas on the way. That composition would give Violet hugely disproportionate losses when he could just wait 2 more minutes to have full dragoon production. You seriously can't have ever played vs a simcity with pure zealot before if you think those zealots would've broken that sim city without taking hugely detrimental losses that could've very well swung the game in Killer's favor. Rule #1 of starcraft: Get an advantage. Rule #2: Don't throw away that advantage.

It wasn't about doing damage, it was about forcing Killer to the defensive. Violet moving those zealots out would have forced the mutas out. Instead he lost a handful of sairs, all the initial goons, some probes and cannons until he was able to get enough to get enough (still alive) to do it. I'll see your rules #1 and 2, and raise you #3, idle armies are better served forcing your opponents on the defensive.

Um, he didn't NEED the mutas there to defend those zealots. At that time Killer was already in the production of hydras anyhow and going all in. You don't charge in against an all in army and give them the best position. If you just wanted him to feint an attack then I can kind of see the value, but then you just lose zealots to mutas which is just as bad as losing sairs and probes when your opponent is massing up hydras.

Violet played smart and cautiously after securing a game defining advantage. Nothing he did was necessarily wrong besides maybe not putting up some cannons faster.

I seriously don't understand what you're criticizing. We're both zerg players (atleast I assume with your icon). Have you ever tried to go for an all in push and had your opponent attack INTO your base and it turn out well when all you've been producing for 3 minutes were combat units? It would've been a complete waste of zealots that were needed against a massed up hydra army.

Mortician

Bulgaria2332 Posts

January 17 2011 10:20 GMT

#586

can someone tell me the name of the song on cratons stream?

tabula rasa

360 Posts

January 17 2011 10:20 GMT

#587

oz is about to be all-killed by violet. VIOLET.

writer22816

United States5775 Posts

January 17 2011 10:21 GMT

#588

i just tuned into the results. WTF

GoTuNk!

Chile4591 Posts

January 17 2011 10:21 GMT

#589

I tought nothing could top woonjing yesterday's embarrasing presentation =(

Ciryandor

United States3735 Posts

January 17 2011 10:21 GMT

#590

Screw it I'm switching FPL to STX; at least they have a chance to win.

Holgerius

Sweden16951 Posts

January 17 2011 10:22 GMT

#591

On January 17 2011 19:20 moopie wrote:

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I will take team depth over Flash's records any day of the week

But it's gonna be so annoying when all the Bisu fanboys argue that he's better because he has more PL wins.

Goragoth

New Zealand1065 Posts

January 17 2011 10:22 GMT

#592

Not another Protoss all-kill. This is getting ridiculous.

NicksonReyes

Philippines4431 Posts

January 17 2011 10:23 GMT

#593

I don't know why in normal rounds where everyone can play, KT only rely on Flash, but when in WL, KT doesn't need Flash. Flash this round is not worth his 13 points