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[SWL] Hwaseung OZ vs. KT Rolster - Page 30

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sushiman
Profile Joined September 2003
Sweden2691 Posts
January 17 2011 10:20 GMT
#581
BackHo reverse all-kill please!
1000 at least.
structuralinertia
Profile Joined June 2009
Australia1426 Posts
January 17 2011 10:20 GMT
#582
(T)HiyA reverse all-kill would be nice
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
January 17 2011 10:20 GMT
#583
On January 17 2011 19:19 Holgerius wrote:
Flash is missing out on so many wins due to his teammates kicking ass all of a sudden.

I will take team depth over Flash's records any day of the week
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
January 17 2011 10:20 GMT
#584
I'm so sad for Oz.... Jaedong, i still believe!
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 10:22:25
January 17 2011 10:20 GMT
#585
On January 17 2011 19:18 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 19:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On January 17 2011 19:05 moopie wrote:
On January 17 2011 19:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On January 17 2011 19:00 moopie wrote:
Violet played that decently, but not attacking with those zealots while the mutas were attacking his bases was sloppy. He could have finished this off much more cleanly.

Still, Violet hwaiting!


That would've been a horrible decision. Killer could've stuffed the small choke with hydras and only 2 zealots could really be attacking anything of worth while the hydras and 3 sunks pound away at his zealots. He did EXACTLY what he should've done: Mass up dragoons to so he could beat Killer's army and break a sim city.

He didn't have hydras. The obs showed his nat. He was doing nothing but pumping mutas, trying to regain a foothold since he couldn't stand up to the zealots. He attacks the nat, forcing Violet to make goons and sairs. All he had were those ~8 hydras from the initial attack before the mutas.

Violet has a ton of zealots, sitting around, watching the mutas and having a siesta. If the zealots attacked the nat, Killer would have been forced to pull the mutas back on the defensive (and still lose his simcity), while violet could just continue to macro up waves like he did on JD due to his superior econ and tech.


Excuse me? Killer was making hydras in response to the attack at his third before he made the muta switch. It doesn't take more than 10 hydras, which he obviously had, to clog that choke. Violet TRIED moving towards Killer's second right when mutas were hatching, saw the double sunken with hydras at the choke and mutas on the way. That composition would give Violet hugely disproportionate losses when he could just wait 2 more minutes to have full dragoon production. You seriously can't have ever played vs a simcity with pure zealot before if you think those zealots would've broken that sim city without taking hugely detrimental losses that could've very well swung the game in Killer's favor. Rule #1 of starcraft: Get an advantage. Rule #2: Don't throw away that advantage.

It wasn't about doing damage, it was about forcing Killer to the defensive. Violet moving those zealots out would have forced the mutas out. Instead he lost a handful of sairs, all the initial goons, some probes and cannons until he was able to get enough to get enough (still alive) to do it. I'll see your rules #1 and 2, and raise you #3, idle armies are better served forcing your opponents on the defensive.


Um, he didn't NEED the mutas there to defend those zealots. At that time Killer was already in the production of hydras anyhow and going all in. You don't charge in against an all in army and give them the best position. If you just wanted him to feint an attack then I can kind of see the value, but then you just lose zealots to mutas which is just as bad as losing sairs and probes when your opponent is massing up hydras.

Violet played smart and cautiously after securing a game defining advantage. Nothing he did was necessarily wrong besides maybe not putting up some cannons faster.

I seriously don't understand what you're criticizing. We're both zerg players (atleast I assume with your icon). Have you ever tried to go for an all in push and had your opponent attack INTO your base and it turn out well when all you've been producing for 3 minutes were combat units? It would've been a complete waste of zealots that were needed against a massed up hydra army.
Remember Violet.
Mortician
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Bulgaria2332 Posts
January 17 2011 10:20 GMT
#586
can someone tell me the name of the song on cratons stream?
"If anything, the skill cap in sc2 is higher [than sc1] because there are a lot more things you can do at one given time. " darmousseh
tabula rasa
Profile Joined December 2010
360 Posts
January 17 2011 10:20 GMT
#587
oz is about to be all-killed by violet. VIOLET.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
January 17 2011 10:21 GMT
#588
i just tuned into the results. WTF
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
January 17 2011 10:21 GMT
#589
I tought nothing could top woonjing yesterday's embarrasing presentation =(
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
January 17 2011 10:21 GMT
#590
Screw it I'm switching FPL to STX; at least they have a chance to win.
에일리 and 아이유 <3 - O Captain 박재혁 ・゚✧*:・*゚+..。✧・゚:*・..。 ✧・゚ :・゚* ゜・*:・ ✧・゚:・゚:.。 ✧・゚ SPARKULING ・゜・:・゚✧*:・゚✧。*゚+..。 ✧・゚: ✧・゚:*・゜・:・゚✧*::
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 17 2011 10:22 GMT
#591
On January 17 2011 19:20 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 19:19 Holgerius wrote:
Flash is missing out on so many wins due to his teammates kicking ass all of a sudden.

I will take team depth over Flash's records any day of the week

But it's gonna be so annoying when all the Bisu fanboys argue that he's better because he has more PL wins.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
January 17 2011 10:22 GMT
#592
Not another Protoss all-kill. This is getting ridiculous.
Creator of LoLTool.
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
January 17 2011 10:23 GMT
#593
I don't know why in normal rounds where everyone can play, KT only rely on Flash, but when in WL, KT doesn't need Flash. Flash this round is not worth his 13 points .
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Black[CAT]
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Malaysia2589 Posts
January 17 2011 10:23 GMT
#594
Legend of the Fall, baby!
You mean ESPORTS isnt a synonym for SC2? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ -Proud owner of a Filco Majestouch 2 with Cherry Blue Switches- BW or SC2? Why not both?
TimeOut
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1277 Posts
January 17 2011 10:24 GMT
#595
On January 17 2011 19:23 Black[CAT] wrote:
Legend of the Fall, baby!


It's winter and PL is not the OSL. :|
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
January 17 2011 10:25 GMT
#596
On January 17 2011 19:20 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 19:18 moopie wrote:
On January 17 2011 19:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On January 17 2011 19:05 moopie wrote:
On January 17 2011 19:03 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On January 17 2011 19:00 moopie wrote:
Violet played that decently, but not attacking with those zealots while the mutas were attacking his bases was sloppy. He could have finished this off much more cleanly.

Still, Violet hwaiting!


That would've been a horrible decision. Killer could've stuffed the small choke with hydras and only 2 zealots could really be attacking anything of worth while the hydras and 3 sunks pound away at his zealots. He did EXACTLY what he should've done: Mass up dragoons to so he could beat Killer's army and break a sim city.

He didn't have hydras. The obs showed his nat. He was doing nothing but pumping mutas, trying to regain a foothold since he couldn't stand up to the zealots. He attacks the nat, forcing Violet to make goons and sairs. All he had were those ~8 hydras from the initial attack before the mutas.

Violet has a ton of zealots, sitting around, watching the mutas and having a siesta. If the zealots attacked the nat, Killer would have been forced to pull the mutas back on the defensive (and still lose his simcity), while violet could just continue to macro up waves like he did on JD due to his superior econ and tech.


Excuse me? Killer was making hydras in response to the attack at his third before he made the muta switch. It doesn't take more than 10 hydras, which he obviously had, to clog that choke. Violet TRIED moving towards Killer's second right when mutas were hatching, saw the double sunken with hydras at the choke and mutas on the way. That composition would give Violet hugely disproportionate losses when he could just wait 2 more minutes to have full dragoon production. You seriously can't have ever played vs a simcity with pure zealot before if you think those zealots would've broken that sim city without taking hugely detrimental losses that could've very well swung the game in Killer's favor. Rule #1 of starcraft: Get an advantage. Rule #2: Don't throw away that advantage.

It wasn't about doing damage, it was about forcing Killer to the defensive. Violet moving those zealots out would have forced the mutas out. Instead he lost a handful of sairs, all the initial goons, some probes and cannons until he was able to get enough to get enough (still alive) to do it. I'll see your rules #1 and 2, and raise you #3, idle armies are better served forcing your opponents on the defensive.


Um, he didn't NEED the mutas there to defend those zealots. At that time Killer was already in the production of hydras anyhow and going all in. You don't charge in against an all in army and give them the best position. If you just wanted him to feint an attack then I can kind of see the value, but then you just lose zealots to mutas which is just as bad as losing sairs and probes when your opponent is massing up hydras.

Violet played smart and cautiously after securing a game defining advantage. Nothing he did was necessarily wrong besides maybe not putting up some cannons faster.

I seriously don't understand what you're criticizing. We're both zerg players (atleast I assume with your icon). Have you ever tried to go for an all in push and had your opponent attack INTO your base and it turn out well when all you've been producing for 3 minutes were combat units? It would've been a complete waste of zealots that were needed against a massed up hydra army.

10 hydras + 2 sunks vs 17 +1 speedlots and 3 DTs. (as of the moment the mutas popped). Yeah he would have been fine.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
January 17 2011 10:25 GMT
#597
Well if we do get allkilled I'm glad its to and awful toss like violet and not somebody good, then it might not be as embarrassing and hurt so much
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
kuroshiroi
Profile Joined November 2010
3149 Posts
January 17 2011 10:25 GMT
#598
On January 17 2011 19:22 Goragoth wrote:
Not another Protoss all-kill. This is getting ridiculous.

Guide to all-kills:
1. Be Protoss.
2. ???
3. There is no second step.
Fly Jaedong, fly!
mustaju
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Estonia4505 Posts
January 17 2011 10:25 GMT
#599
hiya. I'll be cheering for you, little fish.
WriterBrows somewhat high. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndFysO2JunE
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
January 17 2011 10:25 GMT
#600
Violet vs empty chair.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
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