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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 05 2013 00:20 GMT
#561
On April 05 2013 09:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 09:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nah no thanks. I'm more interested in getting you lynched sweetcheeks.


Oh, how disappointed you're going to be.

I'm used to it. For as often as I die N1, you'd be surprised at how often I'm wrong.


Great way to get people to listen to you, haha. VE Where did your buddy Risk go

He just let you take over the train and go choo choo with it. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisky! Get in here fella.

I'm a realist. It's a failing in my play. The fact that you're here when no one else is is certainly speaking in your favor, but not much.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 05 2013 00:24 GMT
#562
On April 05 2013 09:20 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 09:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:16 VisceraEyes wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:09 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nah no thanks. I'm more interested in getting you lynched sweetcheeks.


Oh, how disappointed you're going to be.

I'm used to it. For as often as I die N1, you'd be surprised at how often I'm wrong.


Great way to get people to listen to you, haha. VE Where did your buddy Risk go

He just let you take over the train and go choo choo with it. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisky! Get in here fella.

I'm a realist. It's a failing in my play. The fact that you're here when no one else is is certainly speaking in your favor, but not much.


Well the fact that you're facerolling me pretty hard is indicative of your scum play (although, I've played with you as town), but it seems like a huge risk to take if you know I'm town. Depends if people would just lynch you tomorrow or not for tunneling me.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 05 2013 00:25 GMT
#563
Although, I've never*
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 05 2013 00:35 GMT
#564
I have moments of lucidity regardless of my alignment in every game. It's indicative of "I'm in a game with VE" not "I'm in a game with scumVE".

If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Ghor (if he's town) with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR. Or don't, I don't care. I'm very not on trial here. LMAO
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 05 2013 00:38 GMT
#565
@Risk

It disappoints the Cake that you have suddenly disappeared. You obviously hate Hopeless, etc and even agree with (at least one) of my thoughts on Ghor. You seem to just pop in, egg VE on to pressure me, and then leave.

Sir, what is your opinion of me? How do you just 'let Hopeless off the hook' as well?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 05 2013 00:40 GMT
#566
On April 05 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
I have moments of lucidity regardless of my alignment in every game. It's indicative of "I'm in a game with VE" not "I'm in a game with scumVE".

If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Ghor (if he's town) with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR. Or don't, I don't care. I'm very not on trial here. LMAO


Well If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Hopeless today if he's town with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 05 2013 00:40 GMT
#567
YA RISK WTF ITS LIKE YOU DON'T GOT MY BACK OR NUTHIN WTF
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 05 2013 00:40 GMT
#568
On April 05 2013 09:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
I have moments of lucidity regardless of my alignment in every game. It's indicative of "I'm in a game with VE" not "I'm in a game with scumVE".

If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Ghor (if he's town) with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR. Or don't, I don't care. I'm very not on trial here. LMAO


Well If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Hopeless today if he's town with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR.

I don't. *shrug* You still sexy beast tho.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 05 2013 00:46 GMT
#569
On April 05 2013 09:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 09:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
On April 05 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
I have moments of lucidity regardless of my alignment in every game. It's indicative of "I'm in a game with VE" not "I'm in a game with scumVE".

If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Ghor (if he's town) with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR. Or don't, I don't care. I'm very not on trial here. LMAO


Well If I were scum and you town, I'd be all over Hopeless today if he's town with you. BELIEVE THAT SIR.

I don't. *shrug* You still sexy beast tho.


Someone's been talking with Dandel Ion l0l
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 05 2013 10:09 GMT
#570
##unvote:
nobody's posted on ten hours. Where are people? RoL you said you'd be here by now...
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 10:49 GMT
#571
Got a few questions:

@ CC

Can you give a quick recap of why you find/found hopeless scummy? Do you find risk scummy? How would you prioritize your choices?

@ risk

You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?

I would also like to expand on why I still find you suspicious. In this post (~ 1:30 time) you say We're not lynching anyone else but hopeless, followed by a post telling him why he is scum (as opposed to trying to convince others).

Several hours later you show exactly the opposite attitude, slowly starting to agree with the points against sylencia and not mentioning the only guy you thought should be lynched hours ago. Not even finding it suspicious that there's someone starting a counterbandwagon away from your top scumread, instead you sheep exactly that one?


@ Hopeless


Any opinion on the points against me by CC and my points against CC? Where do me and CC stand, relative to risk?
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 05 2013 11:04 GMT
#572
On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:


@ risk

You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?

Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously.

On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:
Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all .

I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).

Still, quick rundown:
Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).

In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).


I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that.

With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting.

I didn't like neither of the bolded statements.

I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 11:14 GMT
#573
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).

You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.

Why do you find CC suspicious?
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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 05 2013 11:24 GMT
#574
On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).

You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.

Why do you find CC suspicious?

Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town?

I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 05 2013 11:30 GMT
#575
CC's interactions with lazer are very weird, I had planned to go over CC filters from other games to look for similarity's today but I haven't gotten around to it. I also think it's weird that he didn't take VE seriously. Although he did seem to take it a bit more seriously after I added another vote at least for a short while. VE didn't really keep him under pressure for long.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 12:00 GMT
#576
Several hours before lynch:

On April 05 2013 20:04 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 19:49 Ghor wrote:


@ risk

You said you found that D2 post from me suspicious, can you specify what and why?
Was that vote on CC indicative of suspicion or did you just want him to talk?

Both, I wanted to put more pressure on him because he didn't seem to take things seriously.

Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 04:43 Ghor wrote:
Got really sad when I saw Sylencia's flip. Didn't expect him to flip town at all .

I'm still not sure what to make of the risk vs hopeless situation, and I'll be busy very soon until tomorrow. I would like to advise to go through a few things (will do that myself once I have time, but I think it's where we have to look at).

Still, quick rundown:
Check everybody's scumreads before the lynch, especially for weak pushes or even absence (considered RoL's absence to be scummy, but he gave an excuse and promised activity for 4 days which seems rather townie).

In that regard hopeless and risk still look equally bad to me cause they kinda dropped "casually" onto the sylencia lynch, and I would expect hopeless and CC to be more careful about sheeping their scumread's (me) case there (whereas hopeless said it was for self-preservation, will have to check if CC and hopeless gave out a sylencia read at all).


I'll have to scrutiny CC some more in general cause I didn't really pay enough attention to him since the risk pressure thing, and I don't know why he thinks I'm scum. I would like to hear reasons for that.

With that, I'll contribute more when I'm back and have more time. Good hunting.

I didn't like neither of the bolded statements.

I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious. I think that's odd. Because the only legit reason you could feel that is if you had a strong townread on hopeless or disagreed with my arguments against him.


Shortly before lynch:

On April 04 2013 05:42 risk.nuke wrote:
I think syl's absence makes him look worse, however he has posts with thoughts I can follow and I liked that, there were other posts I didn't like such as how slow he was to take a stand on lynches and also where he ended up however I'm not sure that's necessarily scumplay as opposed to just bad town play.


On April 04 2013 06:03 risk.nuke wrote:
I said I didn't want to lynch him, it's about the same time Ghor pulled his 180 on me.
I want to lynch Hope, I would rather lynch RoL before I lynch Syl but I will vote Syl to ensure a lynch.

That's what I think about lynching Syl. ARE YOU HAPPY?


On April 04 2013 06:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Ghor I wouldn't hammer VE either because VE is a townread. I would hammer a null-read rather then to see a no-lynch. Can you not see the difference in that?


On April 04 2013 06:32 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2013 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm curious to know what the things you dislike about Syl are. You say there are things. What are they?

Mainly his reluctance to take a stand about the lynch and his relationship with Ghor. He's pretty much the only one he's taken a stance on and it in a way looks like tunneling hidden behind a claimed general dislike for Ghors writing. However I'm also not sure if a scum Syl would tunnel a person so blatantly poorly while being passive about voting him. If he was scum he should have had a teammate to tell him he's playing awefully and give him some advice.


Did you say why you would lynch RoL over Syl? Why hopeless is a better lynch than syl (you told us your lynch priorities, but didn't seem to act according to them)? Find it suspicious that people started a counter bandwagon over obvious scum hopeless?

All I see is you going like this: "Syl could be scum cause of x, syl could be town cause of y, I will vote syl not cause of these reasons, but only to ensure a lynch, I will mention these reasons anyway cause people ask me to".

Now obviously, you will say "But Ghor, did you prefer a no-lynch instead?". No, of course not, but it's about your behaviour before the lynch, and your apparent opportunism towards the sylencia lynch and fear of being wrong, and the stuff you just said now that says you should look townie for opposing the lynch when you really didn't oppose it, but only gave your opinions about.

"But Ghor, I wasn't confident"

I'm sure you weren't, cause it conflicts with your objectives to notoppose a townie lynch, and assuming hopeless is town by now, being one of the main pushers of a town lynch was probably a worse option, but you could not simply jump on the sylencia wagon without justification.
So you'd simply give out controversial opinions about sylencia to not look inconsistent with your earlier hopeless' superstrong scumread (by giving points in favour of scumlencia and justify a vote on him), but also giving out townie points to be able to justify that you never pushed sylencia before.

On April 05 2013 20:24 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2013 20:14 Ghor wrote:
I found the situation (and still do) between you and hopeless hard to resolve. I think only one of you is scum, and I'm not able to establish which one.
That's part of the reason I was more interested into lynching sylencia D1, cause I want to see more from you and hopeless to be able to make a better decision, whereas sylencia looked very scummy to me (but turned out to be lynchbait).

You stating what you thought of sylencia is not enough. It's easy for scum to be right as opposed to a majority of townies who might be pushing for a mislynch. What matters is that you didn't fight the sylencia lynch in favour of the hopeless lynch when you should have, according to your earlier statement about hopeless , and instead seem to want to take credit for a townread on a dead townie now.

Why do you find CC suspicious?

Why have you ruled out the possibility both me and hope are town?

I did as much as I could to make people vote hopeless, should I had reworded and spammed the case against him every 5 minutes? And I didn't just say I opposed a syl lynch, towncred plox. I specified arguments for why the arguments against him could be wrong. At the same time I didn't feel confident enough to just say shut up I am dead certain you are wrong.


I was against the Sylencia lynch and I stated several times why I wasn't sure he was scum rather then bad townie. You didn't seem to find that townie but instead find my behavior highly suspicious.

Seem like you do want towncred for it though.

______________________________________________________________________________________________________

So yeah, I back a risk lynch in favour over a hopeless lynch now.
Sorry buddy :o]

##Vote risk.nuke
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 12:30 GMT
#577
EBWOP: This is several hours before lynch. I actually wanted to reply to the "I opposed sylencia lynch thing"


On April 03 2013 14:27 risk.nuke wrote:
We're not lynching anyone other then hopeless. RoL you got to be joking if you think that we're going to lynch cheesecake first. While I agree with your posts and I had some thoughts in simmilar direction last night. It's still a weaker case then on hopeless. I don't like how you haven't talked about me since your vote and I would like you to comment further on me and hopeless.

Hopeless is obvious scum and has pretty much given up by now. This is not how he plays as town.

And Ghor's post are not hard to read. If you disregard the fact that he speaks in third person and often don't use capital letters they're actually very simple to read and even efficiently phrased.

Sylencia. Who do you want to kill?


On April 04 2013 01:27 risk.nuke wrote:
Hopeless, my case on you is not meta based. Meta is generally only something I use to gather others to my case once it's been made.

My problem with you is I called you out for not caring about scum hunting quite early, and despite that you didn't give a shit about trying to up your game, while you weren't under any pressure. Nor have you claimed busy. You just straight out was lurking and never scumhunting or caring about the game.

Your only contributions were highly suspicious egging-on-from-the-shadows posts.

My impression on you which I've gotten from games I've played with you before is you're an intelligent individual. So why have an intelligent townie not given a shit about scumhunting or making cases.

Additionally later when you after ages bring up your theory. You come up with the WORST and MOST UNLIKELY possible theory for scumbuddies that only makes it seem like you're not reading the thread. Ghor have been sharper with his comments on me then anyone else in the thread. And additionally I am just about the most active player in the game.

The only possible explanations are you're scum or a townie who's not putting in any time in the game. But then why haven't you come clean and admitted you haven't given a shit about the game because that is the only other possible explanation I might had believed. But even with that your egging on posts doesn't make sense.

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risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 05 2013 12:48 GMT
#578
LOL, When I'm doing something townie, how is pointing that out to the thread scummy?
Where do your logic come from?
##vote: Ghor

I said I wanted to lynch Hopeless > RoL > Sylencia. You're saying I didn't act according to that. What bullshit because I did. You're just saying I didn't in words without disproving it, but saying something doesn't make it so.

I said I would switch to Sylencia to ensure a lynch. And so I did because there were no way in hell people were going to jump of sylencia and on hopeless with MINUTES to deadline. How is that opportunistic you little filth.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 13:05 GMT
#579
I don't see you trying to persuade anyone of switching to hopeless, only say what you prefer. That's not opposing a lynch, as isn't saying you would lynch your null-read over your scumread.

Where do you show to the thread that you even think RoL could be scum since you seemed to have preferred him over sylencia? There is zero effort from you to work towards the objectives you claimed to have.

You could also expand on pointing out what you find weird about CC. Cause finding stuff weird and leaving it at that isn't the best way to follow a trail. Don't you have anything to ask to CC?
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 13:07 GMT
#580
And you asked me why I don't see it as townie that you "opposed" the sylencia lynch. That equals to supposing and expecting that you would get cred for that.
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