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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 05 2013 16:32 GMT
#601
I'm curious. This whole time I saw on D1 that everyone was demanding a lynch, but I never saw an analysis of the benefits of a no lynch.
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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 05 2013 16:36 GMT
#602
On April 06 2013 01:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I'm curious. This whole time I saw on D1 that everyone was demanding a lynch, but I never saw an analysis of the benefits of a no lynch.
Unless someone gets medic saved, we will have one less misslynch at our disposal if we no lynch.

Analysis done.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 05 2013 16:39 GMT
#603
I counted. I see that if we no lynched we end up in LYLO day 4 assuming we hit no scum, and if we did lynch we end up in lylo day 3. It's functionally making it so we don't have to lynch day 1 with less information and allows us to instead have that lynch day 4 where we will have more information.

This is all assuming no medic protections.
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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 05 2013 16:44 GMT
#604
On April 06 2013 01:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I counted. I see that if we no lynched we end up in LYLO day 4 assuming we hit no scum, and if we did lynch we end up in lylo day 3. It's functionally making it so we don't have to lynch day 1 with less information and allows us to instead have that lynch day 4 where we will have more information.

This is all assuming no medic protections.
If we no lynch, we end up in MYLO D3 instead of LYLO, not sure how you count.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 05 2013 16:44 GMT
#605
Lazer, you just sheeped me / risk on Ghor and then vote me.

Wut.

So, you don't think Ghor is scummy then?
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 05 2013 16:46 GMT
#606
On April 06 2013 01:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Lazer, you just sheeped me / risk on Ghor and then vote me.

Wut.

So, you don't think Ghor is scummy then?
You are both scummy.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
April 05 2013 16:54 GMT
#607
On April 06 2013 01:44 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 06 2013 01:39 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I counted. I see that if we no lynched we end up in LYLO day 4 assuming we hit no scum, and if we did lynch we end up in lylo day 3. It's functionally making it so we don't have to lynch day 1 with less information and allows us to instead have that lynch day 4 where we will have more information.

This is all assuming no medic protections.
If we no lynch, we end up in MYLO D3 instead of LYLO, not sure how you count.

Oh shit, i fucked up. I had it as 8v2 not 7v2 to start with. That was a whoops.
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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 05 2013 16:54 GMT
#608
Okay, awesome. I'm interested on where Hopeless stands on all of this, i havent seen him in ages.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 17:47 GMT
#609
Lazer, need your own arguments for thinking I'm scum. Currently you just agreed on "me lying" when also VE confirmed that CC subtly said I'm scum D1, and currently seem to be very quickly eager to lynch me. Didn't you read the stuff?

Will be away for ~1 hour. So don't do quick things you might regret. We have at least ~one more day.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 17:53 GMT
#610
##Unvote

Risk, answer my points instead of telling me I'm full of shit. If you're town you have no reason to stop talking about CC if you find him weird, just cause I think you're scum.

RoL, do you have any reads to offer instead of discussing lynch options at this point?
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 17:55 GMT
#611
In general, if I think you're scum, let me know what you thought in that situation I find scummy. Let me hear how you got to make decisions. Childish "Fuck you"-type of posts with reactionary omgus-vote won't help me get a better read on you. It only makes you look like you react excessively emotional to the brought case.
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Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
April 05 2013 18:21 GMT
#612
Ghor I never implied you were scum D1. i pressured you to get an initial read. I found ur trolling irritating but not scummy.

If you insist that i thought you were scum d1, either you lie or are misconstruing my posts.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 20:19 GMT
#613
Well then I'll assume you didn't find me scummy D1 cause you say so. But some of my points still remain. I'll first comment on your summary.

On April 05 2013 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Ghor, sup buddy?

+ Show Spoiler +
Ghor's been focusing on 3 main people this game. Initially, Risk, who was the easiest target from D1. Then Syl. And Hopeless to a certain extent. Look how the Syl and Hopeless scumreads developed...

On April 02 2013 23:11 Ghor wrote:
Ghor not like sylencia last two post, he lie about me. Ghor contribute, ghor say what he think, what he like, what he not like, who capitalist are.what risk do wrong and why not hammer too quick.

but sylencia play like capitalist swine, he talk about me wildcard cause ghor sound like foreign, but say i scummy for things not true. but that not only reason.it sound like omgus, bad.
ghor had eye on sylencia early, ghor ask axle about people like sylencia who say privjet and go away.

what make ghor suspicious in late posts is: Sylencia spend more time talking about everyone except main scumread.ghor suspect sylencia try park easy vote on cheesecake. ghor sees no reason to mention everyone else but not try convince others that cc scum.

sylencia also describe lot of things, but not give interpretationi. too much description, not enough opinion. look scummy. only alignment-opinion in big post are cc and ve.

he say risk make strange things, but no say what he think of it. he only say votes on risk too early, and say scum hammer him quickly cause of CC, but if sylencia think CC scum, then why fear his vote will help scum?
sylencia say risk do odd thing, no say if scummy or not, sylencia fear risk getting hammered quickly -> sylencia think risk town. wishwash here, scummy part.

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On April 02 2013 18:53 Sylencia wrote:
Axle, you're just casually throwing a vote for me when you know when I post? Alright..

My thoughts so far:

- Ghor: Whether this is serious or not, language barriers are going to end up hurting us pretty bad if we don't get usefulness from him soon. Going back to my previous games, I had a Peruvian in the game who was scum (with me) and nothing he did could be interpreted since we weren't sure if it was ocmpletely understood or if he was just doing his own thing. I personally don't like having such a wildcard in the game. His 2 posts so far have shown he hasn't really provided any thought to what has been said and he's keeping the most trivial things secret.
risk
- risk: As noted by others, there've been a few flaws in what he's said, the primary one being the Kenpachi trap statement, with 0 followup and a backtrack of what was implied. I do feel though that the early votes are... a bit early. The vote I dislike the most being CC's vote which is an example of why I don't enjoy throwing around votes on Instant Majority. It'd be too easy to have scum hammer down with few words said.

- Cheesecake: This filter looks atrocious in my eyes, casting an early vote with little thought, yet providing no substance while he's around. Not sure if trolling around is his meta but seems pretty scum from here.

- Axle: As usual, I'm honestly not sure what is being said that often from you.

- Rebirth: Main thing I don't like is the super early 'precaution' vote on VE, it's almost like baiting him into flaming you back hard so you could nail him for it. Doesn't seem like anythign came from it though but still strikes me as odd as to the reasoning behind it.

Q: Is there actually such a thing as the Kenpachi Rule? RoL says he hasn't heard of it, I haven't been around long enough to hear about it at all, and so this oculd be a major point RoL has made if no one has seen this apparent rule in action.

-VE: So far from what I've read, there are solid arguments and reasoning coming from VE with regards to risk, and as far as I can see so far, he's looking the most townie. This can obviously change with flips etc. but so far, he's the one I've got greatest town read on.

I'm pretty much null on the other 2.. As for my vote, I'm wanting to wait for risk to see what he says but I find CC's vote to be just too casual and without providing anything else after just doesn't seem right to me.

##Vote Mr. Cheesecake
risk

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On April 02 2013 22:52 Sylencia wrote:
Axle: I post at 9-10am because that's when I arrive at work, and I have a bit of time to check. I only post then on after 7ish because that's when I get home.

As for Kenpachi rule, probably should've googled it but dinner called

On April 02 2013 20:21 risk.nuke wrote:
Glad you're capable of discussing anything at all without me.

Cheesecakes early vote on me was a pressure-vote. It was completely fine, What's weird and not fine is he doesn't follow it up or does anything when the person he pressure-voted gains additional votes.

People are asking me about the Kenpachi rule, I actually thought more people knew about it. Ghor, It was discussed in a post game I played one or two years ago, I don't think there were statistics but I remember people praised it's accuracy (before it got outed) Either way I know the post detailing the kenpachi rule was edited out because I tried to find it once.

I'll talk about Hapa after breakfast.


Pressure votes work better if you're going to be around to take them off, otherwise it could end up being manslaughter in this game :\

Lazer: There's a difference in timing in that I come in before there's the first fight between VE and nuke (well, I guess I was around to catch the very start of it), meanwhile Hopeless comes in afterwards and ignores everything that went on beforehand only to comment on Ghor instead.


this last post ghor also find scummy, only description, no opinion about lazer. look like sylencia feel forced to give pseudo opinion about people he asked about.


Sylencia finds Ghor to be a wildcard and scummy. Ghor essentially says in the bolded is, "Sylencia lied about me. I contribute. I do townie things. Sylencia lie." He says that Syl was focusing on other people than his main scumread (me?). Syl was focusing on Ghor being scum in that post, not myself. Why is Syl focusing on Ghor instead of me scummy? It's not ---> Ghor is nervous about something. He then proceeds to tunnel Sylencia the entire day based on this fact.

On April 03 2013 01:56 Ghor wrote:
ghor think hopeless braindead if he thinks ghor teammate with risk. ghor pointed out fallacies with risk early, try get proper opinion on him from sylencia.

All reasoning laid out, hopeless not absorb it.

Hopeless, question:
Ghor saw the scumslip you pointed out that was none.Ghor answered to your assessment, what do you deduce from it?

(Ghor deduces it another example of hopeless amazing reading comprehension)


Ghor now has a scumread on Hopeless. He thinks Risk / Ghor scumteam, huh? Wrong! I pointed out all of these fallacies. His scumread on Hopeless seems to be based on the fact that Hopeless is an idiot rather than scum. What's really interesting is that Ghor never budges his Syl case and rides it to majority.

On April 03 2013 11:04 Ghor wrote:
Ghor in conflict, ghor not sure what make of risk. ghor also like hopeless and sylencia as lynch choices.

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On April 03 2013 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote:
On April 03 2013 06:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hopeless who even said anything about you saving Sylencia? What are you talking about?

What do you believe my motive to be? Trying to put myself in your shoes, I'd suspect (Scum-Hopeless) of being disruptive and/or trying to save (Scum-Sylencia).

by the way, inherent in reading two people as scum is everyone else is town.


ghor wonders, why you say you saving scum sylencia (cause you probably want to imply your motive is not being disruptive).
ghor very curious why say scum sylencia. not simply sylencia, or town sylencia.


Keeps Risk and Hopeless as an option but still never considers them seriously.

On April 03 2013 20:49 Ghor wrote:
ghor want kill sylencia very much, ghor think he look more scummy with each post.

Show nested quote +
So pretty much, I'm willing to hammer Hopeless here, but if it's town I still see this as looking horrible on Ghor. Not that he wasn't looking horrible to me anyways.


this look terrible terrible from sylencia. ghor facepalm, this more than just connection read, this connection justification for later bad push against ghor. whole play look terrible. ghor not need make case, sylencia filter is case. but ghor maybe try to make good case later, if town not convinced.


##Unvote
##Vote Sylencia


Ghors mind: Shit, he's going to hammer Hopeless and I'll look terrible. He also thinks I look terrible anyway. BETTER RIDE THIS SYL LYNCH HOME BABY!


Summary:

- Ghor initially thinks Syl is scum because he lied about him, and said a bunch of mean things. Syl was pressuring Ghor, and Ghor no like this.

- Ghor thinks Hopeless could be scum because he is 'braindead' and thinks Ghor is scum with risk. Only has this read after VE and myself call him out.

- For someone who called Syl "Too self-centered", he seems to be very careful about his image and quick to retaliate; people who are suspect of him are his top scumreads.

##Vote: Ghor

I don't think Risk is scum with Ghor, for the record.


Point 1: I thought Syl was scum for a multitude of reasons, as shown by my numerous cases.

Point 2: Hopeless attacked both you and me for things that weren't true/resulted from reading mistakes. Since it persisted for longer time and he attacked me while I was pressuring sylencia and trying to get answers from him, I assumed it was malicious.

Point 3: Didn't OMGUS risk.nuke, and the "careful about image thing" isn't conform with how I led the Sylencia lynch late in the day. So yeah, two points to falsify this view.
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Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 05 2013 20:21 GMT
#614
Point against you:

Point 1 and 2 applied during day1 already.
Point 3 is generalized and not true.

And the fact that you didn't find me scummy for the same points D1 still applies. You say yourself you didn't find me scummy, so you're either saying that you didn't notice it, or you admit that you only call it out as scummy when it fits your needs.
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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9640 Posts
April 06 2013 00:46 GMT
#615
I am the best count




hopeless1der ( 0 ): risk.nuke
risk.nuke ( 1 ): hopeless1der, Ghor
RebirthOfLegend ( 0 ): LazerMonkey
Mr. Cheesecake ( 2 ): VisceraEyes, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey
Ghor ( 2 ): Mr. Cheesecake, risk.nuke, LazerMonkey

Not Voting ( 2 ): Ghor, RebirthOfLegend

With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. If you see a mistake please notify us. This is instant majority lynch.



http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Ghor
Profile Joined March 2013
Russian Federation140 Posts
April 06 2013 12:51 GMT
#616
It's sad no one posted yet, I'll be away until roughly 29 h for rl business. I'm not dropping my vote until then cause I don't want to do rash things, and I suggest you don't do them either until I'm back.

If someone would be so kind to get RoL to talk, cause currently I don't see much reason to believe that he's town, while he should actually post according to his free time now.

Anyway, I'm off.
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VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 06 2013 15:51 GMT
#617
Yeah, I'm starting to get bad feelings from RoL too. But whatever he just a lurker now, and time isn't really a concern.

I will say that I want this day to last until at least I go back to work. I don't want this game to be in another talkless night phase all weekend...although frankly there's little difference these days.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21170 Posts
April 06 2013 19:31 GMT
#618
GUYS STOP LURKING YOU SHITS WHAT THE FUCK

HAPA I THOUGHT YOU SAID YOU WERE GONG TO BE STRICT ABOUT PEOPLE ACTUALLY TRYING TO PLAY THE GAME
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
risk.nuke
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2825 Posts
April 06 2013 19:36 GMT
#619
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will.
Neo.G Soulkey, Best, firebathero. // http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31
Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
April 06 2013 19:57 GMT
#620
On April 07 2013 04:36 risk.nuke wrote:
I see no point in posting before RoL and Hope gets back. I've been waiting for them to make a move of their own free will.
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