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stansa
Profile Joined September 2011
8 Posts
December 09 2011 16:45 GMT
#5081
why are 1275 people watching

Osprey-100 #1 Composite
bus.slot=7.1
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? Stream down or only broken for me?
KinQuh
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland810 Posts
December 09 2011 16:49 GMT
#5082
On December 10 2011 01:40 tree.hugger wrote:
All this talk about huge upsets... what upsets? I see two somewhat unexpected defeats and two somewhat unexpected wins. Sen and IdrA not advancing is a little surprising, especially the former. That mOOnGlaDe and KiLLeR did so well is also a little surprising. But in both of those cases, I know both players are capable of those performances. I guess DarKFoRcE beating MKP is a little surprising too. But honestly that's a normal amount of upsets for a tournament. Nobody is through who hasn't deserved to be through.

If you're surprised by TitaN, BlinG, and Snute, you haven't been paying attention. Nothing surprising about these players, especially given their groups and opponents.

Amen to this.
Holy check.
Tidus Mino
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom1108 Posts
December 09 2011 16:51 GMT
#5083
On December 10 2011 01:41 windsupernova wrote:
Why are people talking about ¨many ¨ upsets?

Lets see the groups:

A:MoonGlade and F91, I don´t anyone will say that they are bad. Yeah Sen didn´t make it but that was more the group being pretty strong than anything.
B:Xigua and kas, Kas i don´t think anybody doubted him passing which leaves us with Xigua vs Happy. Happy doesn´t do that well at LAN events and unfortunately we don´t hear too much about the chinese but Xigua played fantastically.
C:MVP and Goody, well I don´t think we need to discuss this much lol.
D:Now, this may be the more upsetishy group, until you realize that Killer has been on fire in his last tournaments showing and that thegroup was mostly Z and P. Its really understandable why idra got eliminated. I´ll give you guys this, 1 upset but it was not noobs that advanced they both are strong players.
F:Huk and Snute, Again Morrow got eliminated but well Huk and Snute are pretty awesome and group had a lot of Zs so i can see Morrow losing with his lack of practice as T(Did they let him offrace as T against Z? Well point still stands)
G: Darkforce and Marineking, do we really need to discuss this? Everybody expected MKP to advance and of that group it was either Darkforce or BeastyQt.
H:Supernova(who we all expected him to advance) and MacSed(Who is pretty strong shame we don´t hear much about the chinese scene).

Overall the only real upset was idra and after seeing his group you can really see why he got eliminated. All other groups had known people advancing mostly.


Pretty sure you missed E xD
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Tigi
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany472 Posts
December 09 2011 16:53 GMT
#5084
On December 10 2011 01:51 Tidus Mino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 01:41 windsupernova wrote:
Why are people talking about ¨many ¨ upsets?

Lets see the groups:

A:MoonGlade and F91, I don´t anyone will say that they are bad. Yeah Sen didn´t make it but that was more the group being pretty strong than anything.
B:Xigua and kas, Kas i don´t think anybody doubted him passing which leaves us with Xigua vs Happy. Happy doesn´t do that well at LAN events and unfortunately we don´t hear too much about the chinese but Xigua played fantastically.
C:MVP and Goody, well I don´t think we need to discuss this much lol.
D:Now, this may be the more upsetishy group, until you realize that Killer has been on fire in his last tournaments showing and that thegroup was mostly Z and P. Its really understandable why idra got eliminated. I´ll give you guys this, 1 upset but it was not noobs that advanced they both are strong players.
F:Huk and Snute, Again Morrow got eliminated but well Huk and Snute are pretty awesome and group had a lot of Zs so i can see Morrow losing with his lack of practice as T(Did they let him offrace as T against Z? Well point still stands)
G: Darkforce and Marineking, do we really need to discuss this? Everybody expected MKP to advance and of that group it was either Darkforce or BeastyQt.
H:Supernova(who we all expected him to advance) and MacSed(Who is pretty strong shame we don´t hear much about the chinese scene).

Overall the only real upset was idra and after seeing his group you can really see why he got eliminated. All other groups had known people advancing mostly.


Pretty sure you missed E xD

he missed group G actually
§1: Die Units des Hasu sind unantastbar.
TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-09 17:27:09
December 09 2011 17:07 GMT
#5085
So here is what we can expect on Saturday as far i can gather.

On the main streams:, times are in KST (GMT+9)

+ Show Spoiler +
Saturday broadcast match line-up
Main Stage
10:30 Carom 3D Diieego vs InmORtall
11:30 SC2 mOOnGLaDe vs MarineKing.Prime
12:30 TK6 Winner of match JDCR and BMNS-13 vs Winner of match between NOBI and Awais
13:00 WC3 WE.GIGABYTE.Sky vs Winner of match between EG.FLY100% and Panda.Lyn
14:30 LOL Winner of match between iG and Counter-Logic vs Winner of match between EDG vs Gameburg
16:00 SC2 TBD

Second Stage
10:30 WC3 EG.FLY100% vs Panda.Lyn
12:00 CF Liaoning_Dongjia VS ruLegendS
14:00 SF AMOTEL VS Annul
17:00 LOL Winner of match between Flash.lol and Jerome_NEGGRET vs Winner of match between CDE vs Dignitas

Source:
WCG News Page



Since for SC2 the RO16, RO8 and RO4 are all being played this day, I think you can expect to only see 2 games on main stage, it wil be BO3 at least.

As for the offstage stream, Reis has not posted a new thread unfortunately, but since the rounds are on the same start time (this is an assumption based on time restraints), that only would provide +1 game to be shown live. Imo any game streamed will do though, should all be nice.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

On a good note though, found the following news/twitter:

+ Show Spoiler +

For your enjoyment, we provide Main Stage & Second Stage streams through our WCG TV channel. But there is more! We also partnered with Own3D.tv to provide additional StarCraft 2 matches from our tournament area, as well as League of Legends matches.

Check out www.own3d.tv/wcg for more channels!

Also, we have partners in China, Russia and Poland providing their language streams.

China: www.neotv.cn
Russia: www.goodgame.ru
Poland: www.headshot.pl

Source:
WCG News Page


I do not know if they provide any SC2 live, but i found the russian site to have VERY good background reporting with player interviews, replays and such. Seriously check their videos:
Own3d GoodGameRU; Website coverage with Videos

Edit:
woops forgot to mention the Showmatches on Second stage, played on Laptops:

Dec. 10, 15:00 DB.F91 vs GLSnute
Dec. 10, 16:00 DB.Cobo vs Cytoplasm
> no idea how that works out if those players make it to the RO8/RO4 though.
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
December 09 2011 17:08 GMT
#5086
On December 10 2011 01:41 windsupernova wrote:
Why are people talking about ¨many ¨ upsets?

Lets see the groups:

A:MoonGlade and F91, I don´t anyone will say that they are bad. Yeah Sen didn´t make it but that was more the group being pretty strong than anything.
B:Xigua and kas, Kas i don´t think anybody doubted him passing which leaves us with Xigua vs Happy. Happy doesn´t do that well at LAN events and unfortunately we don´t hear too much about the chinese but Xigua played fantastically.
C:MVP and Goody, well I don´t think we need to discuss this much lol.
D:Now, this may be the more upsetishy group, until you realize that Killer has been on fire in his last tournaments showing and that thegroup was mostly Z and P. Its really understandable why idra got eliminated. I´ll give you guys this, 1 upset but it was not noobs that advanced they both are strong players.
F:Huk and Snute, Again Morrow got eliminated but well Huk and Snute are pretty awesome and group had a lot of Zs so i can see Morrow losing with his lack of practice as T(Did they let him offrace as T against Z? Well point still stands)
G: Darkforce and Marineking, do we really need to discuss this? Everybody expected MKP to advance and of that group it was either Darkforce or BeastyQt.
H:Supernova(who we all expected him to advance) and MacSed(Who is pretty strong shame we don´t hear much about the chinese scene).

Overall the only real upset was idra and after seeing his group you can really see why he got eliminated. All other groups had known people advancing mostly.

realising that the chinese ARE strong upsets many people, so in fact it is a upset.
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
December 09 2011 17:13 GMT
#5087
there were no upsets even on a BO1...
mkp just lost because he though it was funny to nuke rush the zerg ...

the Zerg wasnt as bad and killed the ghosts and helions without trouble , so mkp was always behind after that ...

Idras wasnt an upset , its the normal routine..
ja foste
harman
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
35 Posts
December 09 2011 17:14 GMT
#5088
three korean, three chinese, two german, two canadian in the round of 16 this is going to be exciting :D
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
December 09 2011 17:21 GMT
#5089
what happened to my poor love, tod.

http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 09 2011 17:22 GMT
#5090
LOL mkp now can't get his silver because he's meeting mvp early
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
December 09 2011 17:22 GMT
#5091
Of countries with more than one person attending, only Korea, China and Canada had all their players advance.

Canada fighting!
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Polox
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden115 Posts
December 09 2011 17:26 GMT
#5092
Idra not advancing was quite shocking, given his skill compared to those in his group. I was kinda suprised that neither Morrow nor Elfi managed to advance either. Well, thats what happens if you play Bo1.
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 09 2011 17:28 GMT
#5093
On December 10 2011 02:21 crms wrote:
what happened to my poor love, tod.



he played 2 games, 1-1 score and left the venue i believe. Dont know about reaons, but it could be anything from "too cold in the venue" to being ill or whatever.

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TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
December 09 2011 17:34 GMT
#5094
On December 10 2011 01:40 tree.hugger wrote:
All this talk about huge upsets... what upsets? I see two somewhat unexpected defeats and two somewhat unexpected wins. Sen and IdrA not advancing is a little surprising, especially the former. That mOOnGlaDe and KiLLeR did so well is also a little surprising. But in both of those cases, I know both players are capable of those performances. I guess DarKFoRcE beating MKP is a little surprising too. But honestly that's a normal amount of upsets for a tournament. Nobody is through who hasn't deserved to be through.

If you're surprised by TitaN, BlinG, and Snute, you haven't been paying attention. Nothing surprising about these players, especially given their groups and opponents.



You took the words right out of my mouth.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
December 09 2011 17:37 GMT
#5095
On December 10 2011 01:51 Tidus Mino wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 01:41 windsupernova wrote:
Why are people talking about ¨many ¨ upsets?

Lets see the groups:

A:MoonGlade and F91, I don´t anyone will say that they are bad. Yeah Sen didn´t make it but that was more the group being pretty strong than anything.
B:Xigua and kas, Kas i don´t think anybody doubted him passing which leaves us with Xigua vs Happy. Happy doesn´t do that well at LAN events and unfortunately we don´t hear too much about the chinese but Xigua played fantastically.
C:MVP and Goody, well I don´t think we need to discuss this much lol.
D:Now, this may be the more upsetishy group, until you realize that Killer has been on fire in his last tournaments showing and that thegroup was mostly Z and P. Its really understandable why idra got eliminated. I´ll give you guys this, 1 upset but it was not noobs that advanced they both are strong players.
F:Huk and Snute, Again Morrow got eliminated but well Huk and Snute are pretty awesome and group had a lot of Zs so i can see Morrow losing with his lack of practice as T(Did they let him offrace as T against Z? Well point still stands)
G: Darkforce and Marineking, do we really need to discuss this? Everybody expected MKP to advance and of that group it was either Darkforce or BeastyQt.
H:Supernova(who we all expected him to advance) and MacSed(Who is pretty strong shame we don´t hear much about the chinese scene).

Overall the only real upset was idra and after seeing his group you can really see why he got eliminated. All other groups had known people advancing mostly.


Pretty sure you missed E xD


Oh how embarassing

Well, my point was that all the players who passed are not really ¨unworthy¨ or lucked in their way into the Playoffs.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
TumNarDok
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany854 Posts
December 09 2011 17:48 GMT
#5096
On December 10 2011 02:28 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 02:21 crms wrote:
what happened to my poor love, tod.



he played 2 games, 1-1 score and left the venue i believe. Dont know about reasons, but it could be anything from "too cold in the venue" to being ill or whatever.



3 games actually:
Round1: Win vs ClouD
Round2: Loss vs Strelok
Round3: Loss vs RedArchon (!)

wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
December 09 2011 17:51 GMT
#5097
The heck is with the contrast in performance from China in IEM and now...?

At any rate, well done by the Chinese players.
Gameplay > Personality
simmeh
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2511 Posts
December 09 2011 17:58 GMT
#5098
was the venue too hot for tod?
byah!
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
December 09 2011 18:02 GMT
#5099
On December 10 2011 02:26 Polox wrote:
Idra not advancing was quite shocking, given his skill compared to those in his group. I was kinda suprised that neither Morrow nor Elfi managed to advance either. Well, thats what happens if you play Bo1.


why is idra not advancing suprising. he just loses zvzs because he rages at early aggression and thinks how his opponents are shit and gets his ass killed.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
December 09 2011 18:06 GMT
#5100
On December 10 2011 02:13 tapk69 wrote:
there were no upsets even on a BO1...
mkp just lost because he though it was funny to nuke rush the zerg ...

the Zerg wasnt as bad and killed the ghosts and helions without trouble , so mkp was always behind after that ...

Idras wasnt an upset , its the normal routine..


That little rascal, it's all fun and games for him. That loss put him on the same side as MVP and may have cost him a spot in the finals. :D
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