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Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 28 2013 12:37 GMT
#4821
On September 28 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look at actions, not WIFOM.

Explain me the actions of iamp + pandain then.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 28 2013 12:51 GMT
#4822
On September 28 2013 21:37 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 21:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Look at actions, not WIFOM.

Explain me the actions of iamp + pandain then.

I will, after dinner and voice mafia.
table for two on a tv tray
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
September 28 2013 15:02 GMT
#4823
Rayne. Look at risen too.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
September 28 2013 16:47 GMT
#4824
It always unnerves me when there's no resistance to a lynch. However I can't offer any good alternatives.

## Vote Cephiro
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
September 28 2013 18:05 GMT
#4825
On September 28 2013 14:52 iamperfection wrote:
also strongandbig start posting more. i dont give a shit about any test you have.


We have a known and correct lynch in this game. Add that to the fact that the game is massive, that I replaced in, and that town has derped excruciatingly hard twice, and that I am busy irl, and that I'm on like a seven game losing streak anyway and that i signed up for another game when i thought i didnt get into this one and that I replaced in for someone who presumably ragequit the game and maybe you'll see why it's less motivating to post here.

If cephiro finally gets lynched and flips scum, or if people start moving off him and I need to yell at them, maybe I'll post more. But for now what you see is what you get.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Zaragon
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden235 Posts
September 28 2013 18:24 GMT
#4826
I don't like this situation either. I have never personally scum read Cephiro, just trusted some confirmed townies' and town read's opinions. But I never expected new information to come out today either, scum just has no motivation to push anywhere whether Cephiro is town or scum. Only FT would need to make himself look towny, Mocsta would need to redeem himself (both things true for either scum or town)

Trouble is, we need to lynch Cephiro, FT or Mocsta after Mocsta's play. Or find a pretty cold case on someone else that is extremely solid (I haven't found this to be true with Stutters, CC or VE, even if I have some degree of scum read on CC, VE and a very slight one on Stutters). The only filters I'm really curious about investigating further at the moment are Geript and Rayn, however. To be honest, mostly to see if they would give enough information to turn the game around if they flip, more than expand on previous scum cases on them.

A lot of outlier cases and possibly scum effective at low profile are just not relevant for this lynch to me.

Risen to me isn't pushing a scum agenda. He argues for what basically needs to happen, and he himself will only come out looking scum or town depending on a flip. To me it's really that simple with him, his play is so straight-forward. A lot of people could be hiding like that if FT and Cephiro are town. But then we have almost no chance of turning this game around.

My priority goes:

1 FT

(Decent scum read, would clear up everything surrounding Chairman Ray vote and just about clear several big scum reads, or solidify several big scum reads)

2 Cephiro

(To go with Marv and Yamato, find a direction on Mocsta and a lot of people in this last vote)

3 Mocsta

Policy, gamble, not sure we get much of anything except small leads spread throughout the game.


-----------------------------------------

I actually have a hunch on Mocsta I wanted to bring up. It's weak, I hope to add detail to it later. I tried to play it out in a clumsy way about me being Roleblocked. I was thinking Mocsta as scum could very well believe, after what he's seen on me and his big town read on me, that I would come out if I were a role and became roleblocked if he immediately shouted for the roleblock today. It's really weak, it would just substantiate the "playing dumb" interpretation of Mocsta and instead make a few interactions he had with me look like shrewd scum play expecting some of my newbie mistakes and provoking some others (if he's scum, he would be the one to ask for a roleblock on me, but likely not himself the roleblocker--Cephiro probably would be, and Mocsta would be working to get targets on other people and himself. I hope my reasoning wasn't entirely dumb even if it was a shot in the dark.) Mocsta also hinted cops should not trust their checks because of false result possibilities. Could also be an indirect piece of newbie advice directed at me, if I was a role read (also weak)

It would be close to nothing, except I've heard it several times now that Mocsta enjoys playing scum. If he's scum, he's having a lot of fun right now. I wanted to potentially make some scum hearts leap.

It's enough for me to override my personality read on him and consider, equally, the possibility of shrewd-minded chaotic scum. Actually, if it's possible and allowed, could someone link a QT of a game Mocsta previously played scum?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 28 2013 18:46 GMT
#4827
Whelp I'm at page 100!

Will probably just read through Ceph's filter next, decide yay or nay, and then catch up the rest at night,
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43268 Posts
September 28 2013 20:34 GMT
#4828
Blah i won't, because my memory is bad.
And i am also kinda wasted. Tomorrow.

geript, Risen is in my "to look after people".
table for two on a tv tray
FirmTofu
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1956 Posts
September 28 2013 21:03 GMT
#4829
On September 28 2013 14:48 ObviousOne wrote:
FirmTits you coming back?

I'm back. Sorry I had a long night. Catching up now.
I lie a lot when I'm town. I never lie when I'm scum.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 28 2013 22:21 GMT
#4830
Cephiro is a good lynch but if he flips town we lost. Not going to waste too much time on this though.
Mocsta rayn geript will be looked at tomorrow.
I had a good night of sleep.
Mr. Cheesecake
Profile Joined October 2012
United States3756 Posts
September 28 2013 22:27 GMT
#4831
I'm reasonably confident ceph flips scum. He hasnt said boo all day, when he said he would be active. He knows hes dying and its a quiet bus. If he were town he'd care.

He also had a strong town read on me which I should have realized was bullshit earlier.
But CC isn't protown as town. 100% real heuristic.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
September 28 2013 22:28 GMT
#4832
That is quite unbelievable indeed.
I had a good night of sleep.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9642 Posts
September 28 2013 23:08 GMT
#4833
On September 27 2013 09:40 Cephiro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
D1 we lynched a blue. D2 the lynch was between two townies and a blue got lynched. This shouldn't happen.

To clarify, are you saying that after leaving now, you won't be back for a full 48 hours?


Nope. If I'm alive tomorrow, I'll be completely free later in the evening. So in ~18 hours or so. [/QUOTE]
He better be scum
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
September 29 2013 00:07 GMT
#4834
In my hometown for the weekend, just checking in from my mom's laptop real quick. I would have prefered to find someone I think is more scummy, but I don't have time to play. Ceph tells us about Moc so that works for me.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 29 2013 00:21 GMT
#4835
I dont think ceph is scum, but im stupid, so ill remain stupid

Voting stutters
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 29 2013 00:29 GMT
#4836
On September 29 2013 09:21 Mattchew wrote:
I dont think ceph is scum, but im stupid, so ill remain stupid

Voting stutters

Premonition?
Mocsta
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia9388 Posts
September 29 2013 00:35 GMT
#4837
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391615&user=Mocsta&view=all

Zaragon

My first scum game, where I hammered a townie last minute day1

End post should contain qt links
.



Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
September 29 2013 00:35 GMT
#4838
I dont know the meaning of that word
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
September 29 2013 01:12 GMT
#4839
Ceph lynch seems reasonable to me after reading his filter. Posts like these generally point to fake mafia emotion:

On September 26 2013 11:18 Cephiro wrote:
OH MY GOD ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME T_T

Two blue lynches in a row. This is as hard as an anal rape can get Q_Q


He doesn't seem like the type of player that would rage quit in my experience so his absence probably means he just doesn't want to reveal any more info. Compared to aperture, his activity is much weaker.

I'll probably post my other reads before the night post.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
September 29 2013 01:22 GMT
#4840
Sounds good. Cephiro is the lynch today.
##vote: Cephiro
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