EPT[S] Shadowed Mini Mafia: The Reboot - Page 2
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##vote Jaybrundage What the hell are you seriously posting a super-serious-scum-hunt long ass post with quotes and reasoning two hours into the game? Take a CHILL PILL man. Holy shit. Why the hell are you in such a rush to find scum out of the first four people who have entered the thread. This attitude is completely different from last game and I don't mean that in a good way. | ||
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His Name shall not by tainted by scummy accusations. | ||
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Posting a long ass scum case this early just screams try-hard scum look at me I'm hunting scum! Why do you have to prove yourself this early as town, forcing a pure meta "koshi should be happy but he's not" argument to say that Koshi is definitely scum? | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:57 jaybrundage wrote: His post which I analyzed when he said that I feel "off" Is a very scummy post as well. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/q8Yh7eD.jpg) | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 07 2014 08:59 Toadesstern wrote: already a failure  Have to figure out how I screwed up because I can't find ithttp://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=20742596 | ||
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On February 07 2014 08:57 jaybrundage wrote: His post which I analyzed when he said that I feel "off" Is a very scummy post as well. On February 07 2014 08:08 JonnyLaw wrote: I hate this fucking post by the way. What is this supposed to accomplish? Bahhhh bahhhhh. Anyways it's kind of mean for me to troll you. But the hole you're digging yourself in is going straight to china at this rate. Maybe take a break because this Balla+Koshi chainsaw defense scum theory is not doing you any favours. | ||
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However, I find Jay's desire to scum hunt forced and contrived. I can't believe that he's seriously saying that you and Koshi are a scum team. I find his self-consciousness (that you pointed out) to be a scum tell on him because, as per my meta-read in Shadowed mafia, that was one of the features which I found in his scum play. I don't want to come to any hard conclusions on him yet because his tunnel on Koshi is stupid both as town and scum, and 'tryhard town' does seem like something he would do, however my vote on him is serious. | ||
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The vote wasa joke and Balla reads town to me from his attitude this game. | ||
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On February 07 2014 12:31 Oatsmaster wrote: yeah oh shit Suki does nothing about the case JayB posted, she never comments on it at all, just says its too tryhard and therefore scummy. Oh thats bad. She literally says nothing on whether the case was good/bad or why and whether koshi is town/scum or why. Just shits on it because its early in the game? ##vote Suki I skimmed JayB's case and didn't like it. I don't see the point in meta reading someone off of their pre-game content, or meta reading them 2 hours into the game as the game is still getting started. What threw me off was that he put in a ton of effort trying to find every little thing he could in order to paint Koshi as scum. He basically became super sure that Koshi was scum off of a weak case. He had already stated that he was going to scum hunt and he was hunting so hard it just felt forced and contrived. In other words, I didn't care about the case that he made, or the fact that it was made early, I cared about what motivations he could have had when making that case. Does it make more sense for town to hard tunnel someone off a weak case and try to make them look scummy, or does it make more sense for scum? The fact that the case was made so early is just a bonus point against a town scum-hunting mindset. In my opinion, it's more scummy to take this line of action. Thus I voted Jay. On Koshi Koshi has talked the talk. He just needs to walk the walk. His attitude is different in this game than last. He's more confident and more 'willing' to be active and contribute. If he doesn't hold up his end of the deal then he's an easy lynch. Other than that he hasn't done anything so I am waiting for his contributions when he returns. | ||
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As for things that made him contrived: On February 07 2014 07:51 jaybrundage wrote: I feel off. What a non committal post. After you say your vote is real. You make a terrible comment like that. I think what you mean to say. Is that you think I'm scum. BUT your scum so you know that not to be true and your waffling like crazy. Because even when you say the vote is real. Your very next line shows you have no conviction about it. Koshi is scum. I caught one :D My immediate response is, "... Is that supposed to be a joke post because it's in this weird limbo of serious and joking that just makes it seem calculated and forced." On February 07 2014 08:19 jaybrundage wrote: HEY YOU STOP STEALING MY THUNDER /end jokey rank Blah blah blah. Then he posts his big gigantic case where he quotes pre-game quotes and his verdict is Koshi is scum because he's not happy enough. How is that not contrived? | ||
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Sidesprang Sidesprang is not a high-quantity player. This is true throughout all his games. I noticed something when I was reading his posts while catching up, and this notion became stronger when I reread his filter. With this notion in mind, I then looked up his game history. I found 3 town games and 1 mafia game. Meta analysis in spoiler: + Show Spoiler + In all his games he has a very short filter. In his town games, Sidesprang uses his posts the ask difficult questions and hunt scum. He does this in all three games (Although TL Mafia XX is not a good example I feel as he mostly spends his time apologizing for not being there, but he does post his opinions and stays away from policy talk etc). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=436388&user=sidesprang http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434723&user=sidesprang http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=115243&user=sidesprang In the one scum game I found (If there are more let me know), sidesprang does not scum hunt but rather wastes a lot of time talking about policy, discussing setup, etc. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=111913&user=sidesprang Now my point with this case is not to say that sidesprang is totes scum, but rather to point out some observations that I've made that make it seem that he is in a different mindset this game, and that this mindset makes him more likely scum. sidesprang's attitude this game feels different from his town games. He asks 'Are you basing your scum read on Suki just off meta atm?' then spends two large posts talking about how my meta is different and basically soft-defending me. I'm used to sidesprang asking tough questions, questions whose answers have meaning. It's kind of subtle but I feel like if sidesprang really cared about Aquanim's answer he would have waited for Aqua's reply. The other thing I noticed is that when he talked about Jay, he talked directly to Jay 'Regarding your Koshi case.. you better get more meat on it ... I think it's too early to call you scum...' In all of his town games he has always referred to other players as 'this guy' and spoke about them in the third person. Not once did he ever directly write an analysis against someone as if he was talking to them. A weak point but just something that caught my eye. - This is admittedly a lot of words to describe a few subtle things. However there was just something different about sidesprang this game, and I wanted to explore it. Now that I have I want to share this information and just keep a closer eye on him. The fact that so much has happened in the thread and sidesprang has only called Jay scummy is something that is different than his previous town games. The fact that he spends a lot of time discussing my meta feels like he's playing this game with a different mindset, one that's not so focused on scum hunting and more focused on looking like he's contributing. In fact, in the previous three town games that I skimmed I didn't see one instance of him defending a player. All his efforts were on scum hunting. So. Conclusion: Sidesprang is scummy because his approach to this game is different, which can be seen as scummy for the reasons expressed above. We should keep a close eye on him and see how he chooses to continue the game. | ||
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Obviously he's changed his style, but he's done a complete 180. And my gut says it feels more forced than it should be, but if you don't see it then we can agree to disagree. | ||
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