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I think discussing anything n1 is stupid for a couple of reasons.
1) the good dayposters are already out there with their reads and are targets already. In a mini there are probably 2-3 people max in this range. Since we don't know if there is a medic d1 by having fewer outspoken people (no one posts reads at night) makes the blues night jobs much easier.
2) the more people that post, the more confusing their NK will become. When everyone posts it allows the mafia to choose their type of kill way easier. If only 2-3 people have good reads it's much harder to frame someone compared to if everyone has reads.
Obviously we want everyone to have reads, but if we go into the night without them I don't think we should post them until morning (unless your post can help confirm someone)
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Dark, I can give you some credibility if I get sufficient reasoning behind the two main scummy plays I'm reading off you. One is the vote on Anac over Brood
+ Show Spoiler +On May 12 2012 06:17 Darkfirex5 wrote:
I'd suggest filtering BKEXE's posts. From what I'm reading of what he has posted, there isnt anying that makes me want to switch the bandwagon onto him (fairly) last minute. There isnt enough posts from him to make the acusation he is more mafia than that of Anacletus. I dislike this massive wagon switch because instead of going with the safest mafia guess, we switch it last minute to someone i think we need more posts from to prove he is mafia.
I still really want a specific answer there, and others have mentioned this as well. What made you so sure Anac was scum, specifically? What led you to that conclusion, kept you there over Brood, etc.
The other issue is where you respond to BioSC: On May 14 2012 12:16 Darkfirex5 wrote:
BioSC filter my last few posts, i havent been talking about you. I've been trying to look into Mufaa and dahdum.
You said you weren't getting anything off Mufaa, but what about dahdum? IF you're town, and IF you're going to be the lynch today, we need as much from you as we can get. What did you really look at from each, what reads did you get?
I'm absolutely in agreement on the lurkers, and it may be my newbishness, but I'm having a hard time lynching someone who is lurking or semi-lurking over someone where I've got a few posts to analyze and they seem off.
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No surprise from me here I think.
##Vote BioSC
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Sweet Jesus. That's quite the wall there, FirmTofu.
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On May 15 2012 07:02 Darkfirex5 wrote:
again Mufaa fails to answer the question posed upon him from before. He doesnt give a reason after my post for lynching me. He comes in after austincc makes the first vote on me. He stated he had little suspicion on me, but had curiosity on my posts. After the vote on me from austincc, he votes which enables him to not take full blame when i pop town. This is what i was waiting from you. YOu check in waiting for people to start votes, go with the flow and wont start a vote untill there is some confromation from a vocal person from town. If you come up austincc re-evaluate same with you ancletus because i know your townie.
##Vote Mufaa
I voted from my phone at work, your post came in as mine was being typed. I answered your question and I voted for you because although I would like to vote dahdum I made a case and no one else seemed to like it as much. And you dodged half of my case on you, so I can hardly see why I should change my vote.
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That took a fuckton of time...
ANYWAY, that being said, here's a preliminary list of who *disliked* who on day 1. These suspect lists are based on who contributed to a full-fledged discussion when accusing these people, as opposed to just voting them. We can compare this to changed perceptions on day 2, if we have enough time.
Main ACCUSATIONS for each player(Excluding bandwagon votes):
FirmTofu- Anacletus and BroodKingEXE
Darkfirex5- BioSC
dahdum- FirmTofu(Later retracted), BioSC
Mufaa- Jailbreaker
BroodKingEXE- FirmTofu(Later retracted), Anacletus,
Hyaach-Anacletus
austinmcc- Anacletus and BroodKingEXE
Unforgiven_ve- FirmTofu(Later retracted)
BioSC-Darkfirex5, dahdum (Anyone who accuses him)
Crossfire99-Anacletus
ShiaoPi-Anacletus, BroodKingEXE
Note: A single minded focus is more akin to town play because town generally are more likely to tunnel vision with limited information.
Please let me know if I'm missing anything.
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On May 15 2012 07:02 Darkfirex5 wrote:
again Mufaa fails to answer the question posed upon him from before. He doesnt give a reason after my post for lynching me. He comes in after austincc makes the first vote on me. He stated he had little suspicion on me, but had curiosity on my posts. After the vote on me from austincc, he votes which enables him to not take full blame when i pop town. This is what i was waiting from you. YOu check in waiting for people to start votes, go with the flow and wont start a vote untill there is some confromation from a vocal person from town. If you come up austincc re-evaluate same with you ancletus because i know your townie.
##Vote Mufaa
I voted from my phone at work, your post came in as mine was being typed. I answered your question and I voted for you because although I would like to vote dahdum I made a case and no one else seemed to like it as much. And you dodged half of my case on you, so I can hardly see why I should change my vote now.
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Radfield
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Day 2 Current Vote Count
BioSC (2): Anacletus, dahdum
Darkfirex5 (2): austinmcc, Mufaa
Anacletus (1): BioSC
Mufaa (1): Darkfirex5
Not yet voting: Crossfire99, FirmTofu, Unforgiven_VE, Hyaach
Voting ends in half an hour, at 23:00 GMT (+00:00).
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On May 15 2012 07:24 Mufaa wrote:
I voted for you because although I would like to vote dahdum I made a case and no one else seemed to like it as much. And you dodged half of my case on you, so I can hardly see why I should change my vote.
Gah. We've got 2 players with 2 votes. Right now 2 votes to lynch. No real reason to be gaming things given that we don't need majority to lynch. Vote your biggest read.
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With the vote changes of day 2, I believe the most likely mafia TEAM seems consists of dahdum and darkfire. Why?
The buddying is fairly obvious when they choose to attack BioSC. However, this is probably wishful thinking. dahdum has accused darkfire before, but very lightly. He has a lot more posts agreeing with him than disagreeing.
If we make the assumption that mafia are more careful than that, we can sub out dahdum for one of these potential (lurk) candidates:
-Unforgiven
-Crossfire
-Hyaach
We can also almost make the statement that if darkfire is mafia, then BioSC and austin probably are NOT. This lynch would provide us information on two others right off the bat, and probably dahdum as well. Considering we have little time left, I am going to have to place my vote in support of this lynch.
##Vote Darkfirex5
A dahdum lynch would also be decent because it would provide us information on Darkfire and possibly Mufaa, but I do not think it is as beneficial to us as of right now.
*crosses fingers*
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darkfirex5, dahdum, Anacletus
vs.
BioSC, Mufaa, austin?
These seem to be the core alliances, but I can't seem to figure out which side is the right side. I'm going to stick with my vote for now. Sorry for all the grammatical mistakes in my previous post, I am trying to rush to fit everything in before the deadline.
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I'll respond to that after the lynch I guess. We certainly need to start drawing inferences about who the scum team as a whole might be, but I dunno about those setups.
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On May 15 2012 06:41 Darkfirex5 wrote:
At the moment, i think that BioSC, Anacletus, you and me are twonie. I'm townie and the fact that Anacletus stuck up for me, well now i know he is townie as well.
This is pretty much the nail in the coffin for me. As soon as he starts getting pressured, he backs off of BioSC in order to save his own skin. If you remember back to Day 1, this guy was all out attacking BioSC and now suddenly switches his stance into him being town. I call bullshit.
On May 15 2012 07:47 austinmcc wrote:
I'll respond to that after the lynch I guess. We certainly need to start drawing inferences about who the scum team as a whole might be, but I dunno about those setups.
Yeah, I just rushed through that. Give me some time and I can analyze it better. Maybe during night?
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i like how you said that i didnt answer your full question trying to discredit me, when i said mufaa that oh bold your question incase i didnt answer it. I had to look over a lot to answer questions so i may have over looked it. Using that as your excuse as the reason to continue your vote on me makes you look scummy. Still have that question you want to ask,bold it so i cant miss it.
Also you find another way to dodge the question from before
--> the one from ShiaoPi
Lastly if your reasoning was because i didnt fully respond to your question thats been discredited because i said bold stuff if i missed it
at austincc- i said i will look into them but not much was posted most recently so it was hard to find a case until now. I believe i've made my point on Mufaa, but for dahdum i think he is protown becuase of his defense on Anacletus. (unless im being played hard) because Anacletus defended me i think (almost know) he is a townie. Dahdum also mentioned at a protective stance at Anacletus not wanting to commit to the vote on him.
On May 12 2012 05:23 dahdum wrote:
I'm backing off of anac at this point, he's still suspicious but I'm thinking reckless/bad town vs bad mafia. Too many people are after him first day, some have to be mafia, and his defense should have been better if he's getting help in a QT (as austinmcc mentioned).
Will support a lynch of BioSC or BKE, do we have a current vote count?
With this i now find Dahdum townie as well because though he had suspicions on BioSC and Anacletus. I havent been able to clear BioSC though which is why i dont think that dahdum is more likely to be mafia. I think that dahdum as well is pro town more so. WIth Mufaa though he has waited twice now to join a majority vote. Well shit now, i think mufaa is townie as well, debatably now because of the defense on Anacletus. Huh well now that leaves BioSC and lurkers....
##Unvote
##Vote BioSC
im hoping i gave you some insight austincc. I'm going to remain a FOS on Mufaa, but because i have this basis on Anacletus being town Mufaa seems more town pro. I'd like to know for sure though somehow because this remains on the basis that Anacletus is a townie. Meh shit i feel like i dodged your question in a way, but now rereading more and more im geting new ideas and now i feel like you will think that im voting BioSC because there is 2 votes on him. Ask it again if you feel like i didnt answer you "correctly" its hard now that i have this different insight rereading some of Mufaa's older posts during day 1
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Woot, 7 votes and 3/3 on two candidates. Still missing 3 votes with 3 minutes to go.
Reading now Dark
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when i pop townie cause thats the way it seems, other townies look at dahdum, mufaa and Anacletus, they to me seem the most pro town. Austin is iffy look into him. I was pressuring BioSC because i thought hey why not get things roling because this could pop up as something. Welp meh i dont have a case against you Tofu but you've been chilling back for a while reading these posts <-- dont like
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Unforgiven seriously? Just going to pop in, vote yourself, not contribute at all?
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I've had no time these past 2 days, so I have no idea whether any of the arguments put forward are good. I'm voting for myself becaus ei dont want to misvote.
##Vote Crossfire99
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