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On February 22 2011 03:39 infinitestory wrote:
##Vote BC
Because the least you could have done is tell me to move aside. At least that way I would have had time to prepare a fleet on Gre.
This post makes no sense. Yes you retreated but won a center overall. How would "moving aside" have helped at all? BC won two centers out of it.
You and BC moved to the top of the shady list. Plus, BC has too many votes and no intention to help.
""Vote BloodyC0bbler""
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Damn phone.
## Vote BloodyC0bbler
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On February 22 2011 09:54 Ace wrote:
I'm not explaining anything about No Role Reveal and why Mass Claim beats it in this setup again. If you haven't gotten it by now from reading my posts and using your head you never will.
IIRC, you said that the Mass Claim wasn't suppose to be for the alignment flip. Why the change of heart?
On February 22 2011 10:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 08:00 LSB wrote:On February 22 2011 07:44 infinitestory wrote:On February 22 2011 07:17 citi.zen wrote:
Yes. The Mafia wants us to play diplomacy while they kill us. let's not do this "hey forget about diplo while i attack fishball and lsb attacks ace" kinda thing I don't see why my attack of Ace is a bad thing... It is a bad thing because youre attacking the only person in this game that has nothing except with what he started with... You only attacked ace because you want him out of the game early on.
Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190444¤tpage=8#151
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Note that if lsb and BC are red and we mislynch we're done - they have too many votes. Just saying.
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On February 22 2011 10:58 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 09:54 Ace wrote:
I'm not explaining anything about No Role Reveal and why Mass Claim beats it in this setup again. If you haven't gotten it by now from reading my posts and using your head you never will. IIRC, you said that the Mass Claim wasn't suppose to be for the alignment flip. Why the change of heart? Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 10:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:On February 22 2011 08:00 LSB wrote:On February 22 2011 07:44 infinitestory wrote:On February 22 2011 07:17 citi.zen wrote:
Yes. The Mafia wants us to play diplomacy while they kill us. let's not do this "hey forget about diplo while i attack fishball and lsb attacks ace" kinda thing I don't see why my attack of Ace is a bad thing... It is a bad thing because youre attacking the only person in this game that has nothing except with what he started with... You only attacked ace because you want him out of the game early on. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190444¤tpage=8#151
The question is why would you waste your vote on ace when you could easily kill him?
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On February 22 2011 11:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 10:58 LSB wrote:On February 22 2011 09:54 Ace wrote:
I'm not explaining anything about No Role Reveal and why Mass Claim beats it in this setup again. If you haven't gotten it by now from reading my posts and using your head you never will. IIRC, you said that the Mass Claim wasn't suppose to be for the alignment flip. Why the change of heart? On February 22 2011 10:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:On February 22 2011 08:00 LSB wrote:On February 22 2011 07:44 infinitestory wrote:On February 22 2011 07:17 citi.zen wrote:
Yes. The Mafia wants us to play diplomacy while they kill us. let's not do this "hey forget about diplo while i attack fishball and lsb attacks ace" kinda thing I don't see why my attack of Ace is a bad thing... It is a bad thing because youre attacking the only person in this game that has nothing except with what he started with... You only attacked ace because you want him out of the game early on. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190444¤tpage=8#151 The question is why would you waste your vote on ace when you could easily kill him?
Agree, it'd be much more simpler for you just to lynch somebody else then kill Ace on the next winter. I really don't know who to vote for but I'll go for bumatlarge because he is taking my SC and I don't like that
##Vote: Bumatlarge
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On February 22 2011 11:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 10:58 LSB wrote:On February 22 2011 09:54 Ace wrote:
I'm not explaining anything about No Role Reveal and why Mass Claim beats it in this setup again. If you haven't gotten it by now from reading my posts and using your head you never will. IIRC, you said that the Mass Claim wasn't suppose to be for the alignment flip. Why the change of heart? On February 22 2011 10:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:On February 22 2011 08:00 LSB wrote:On February 22 2011 07:44 infinitestory wrote:On February 22 2011 07:17 citi.zen wrote:
Yes. The Mafia wants us to play diplomacy while they kill us. let's not do this "hey forget about diplo while i attack fishball and lsb attacks ace" kinda thing I don't see why my attack of Ace is a bad thing... It is a bad thing because youre attacking the only person in this game that has nothing except with what he started with... You only attacked ace because you want him out of the game early on. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190444¤tpage=8#151 The question is why would you waste your vote on ace when you could easily kill him?
Because some of us would rather hear what other people say (Ace's and your opinions don't count) before moving on with the kill.
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On February 22 2011 10:55 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 03:39 infinitestory wrote:
##Vote BC
Because the least you could have done is tell me to move aside. At least that way I would have had time to prepare a fleet on Gre. This post makes no sense. Yes you retreated but won a center overall. How would "moving aside" have helped at all? BC won two centers out of it. You and BC moved to the top of the shady list. Plus, BC has too many votes and no intention to help. ""Vote BloodyC0bbler""
imagine yourself in my shoes for a moment, please.
I now have a unit on Rum, pretty much trapped, and I'm going to have to move it back to Ser so BC/someone else doesn't push it farther. In the end, in winter 1903 (when SC count really matters) I will most likely end up with fewer SCs. If BC just wanted access to Rum and told me so, we probably could have worked something out.
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On February 22 2011 11:17 LSB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 11:01 ShoCkeyy wrote:On February 22 2011 10:58 LSB wrote:On February 22 2011 09:54 Ace wrote:
I'm not explaining anything about No Role Reveal and why Mass Claim beats it in this setup again. If you haven't gotten it by now from reading my posts and using your head you never will. IIRC, you said that the Mass Claim wasn't suppose to be for the alignment flip. Why the change of heart? On February 22 2011 10:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:On February 22 2011 08:00 LSB wrote:On February 22 2011 07:44 infinitestory wrote:On February 22 2011 07:17 citi.zen wrote:
Yes. The Mafia wants us to play diplomacy while they kill us. let's not do this "hey forget about diplo while i attack fishball and lsb attacks ace" kinda thing I don't see why my attack of Ace is a bad thing... It is a bad thing because youre attacking the only person in this game that has nothing except with what he started with... You only attacked ace because you want him out of the game early on. Start here and read down http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=190444¤tpage=8#151 The question is why would you waste your vote on ace when you could easily kill him? Because some of us would rather hear what other people say (Ace's and your opinions don't count) before moving on with the kill.
Why doesn't my opinion count? 'Cause I am allied with Ace? Well either way, like I said, you can try and kill ace next turn rather than waste your vote on him.
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Once again I am missing a significant amount of actions. Please get them in people. Hard for me to find replacements, though if I can't I suppose I would have no choice but to either end the game, or modkill without replacements, which would severely imbalance the game.
Vote Count for Winter 1903
citi.zen (Divinek) (3)
Ace
Fishball (3)
Divinek
Nemesis
Fishball (0)
Coagulation
citi.zen (Divinek)
Ace (7)
LSB (4)
Coagulation (3)
LSB (3)
Ace (1)
ShoCkeyy (2)
Coagulation (3)
Nemesis (3)
BloodyC0bbler (6)
infinitestory (3)
citi.zen (3)
bumatlarge (2)
Beneather (2)
If there is a mistake please let me know.
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On February 22 2011 15:16 Coagulation wrote:
so is ace lynched?
lynch is in winter 1903, dummy
also, don't forget about this
Godfather:
You are the head of the mafia, and when role checked, will show up as any role of your choice. You must choose before Winter 1902 is over, otherwise I will randomly choose for you. You may also override your in-thread vote by PM.
If the godfather is anyone not named infinitestory, citi.zen, or Ace, he can change the lynch to BC. Which frankly isn't safe for us, since BC and LSB would both have to be red for the lynch to hit.
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Since im now back at my machine I see that citizen is participating and has somehow managed to get others too as well, awesome. I guess we can get a real game out of this.
As such I will post my thoughts.
The entire situation with citizen taking charge is awesome. Serious props for joining later and keeping active, however stop your random finger pointing unless you start pointing some at yourself. You not only have FoS myself but you have also FoS Infinity. You tell us we shouldn't be playing this like a game of diplomacy yet attacked fishball without provocation to my knowledge rather than taking one of your own home sc's.
Now I am just as guilty on that as I took Bul however I'm not trying to keep eyes elsewhere.
On February 22 2011 11:45 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 10:55 citi.zen wrote:On February 22 2011 03:39 infinitestory wrote:
##Vote BC
Because the least you could have done is tell me to move aside. At least that way I would have had time to prepare a fleet on Gre. This post makes no sense. Yes you retreated but won a center overall. How would "moving aside" have helped at all? BC won two centers out of it. You and BC moved to the top of the shady list. Plus, BC has too many votes and no intention to help. ""Vote BloodyC0bbler"" imagine yourself in my shoes for a moment, please. I now have a unit on Rum, pretty much trapped, and I'm going to have to move it back to Ser so BC/someone else doesn't push it farther. In the end, in winter 1903 (when SC count really matters) I will most likely end up with fewer SCs. If BC just wanted access to Rum and told me so, we probably could have worked something out.
I currently hold no intentions of moving farther north as I now have two potential exits if I am attacked. I have no real interest to be super aggressive this game as I have not been given a reason to be. If you don't like how the board is situated at the moment I am sorry but I think you can see where I was coming from.
To get the ball rolling on this people really should start talking about this game. I am bad for it and if we can get the level of activity up that would be awesome. Now, ATM ace/lsb are doing an obvious sort of fight (started beginning of game).
I have explained why I moved where I did, but we still need citizen to justify his move, need bum, coag, nemesis, and beneather to all explain why they are all fighting eachother as It makes no sense to me thus far. Do you think eachother is red? why are you all attacking eachothers home sc's without fully owning your own first?
I get this is a mix of two games but so many assaults have happened with little to no provocation that I can get, as no one has vocalized it really in thread except for IS against me, and Ace against LSB. Can we get some reasoning please?
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I'll take your word for it that you won't move farther north. I have no real reason to doubt what you say.
I'm also curious as to why the people playing the most aggressively in diplo are telling us to focus more on the mafia half of the game.
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On February 22 2011 15:48 infinitestory wrote:
I'll take your word for it that you won't move farther north. I have no real reason to doubt what you say.
I'm also curious as to why the people playing the most aggressively in diplo are telling us to focus more on the mafia half of the game.
to avert gazes from their movements would be my guess, but I'm not sure.
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On February 22 2011 15:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Since im now back at my machine I see that citizen is participating and has somehow managed to get others too as well, awesome. I guess we can get a real game out of this. As such I will post my thoughts. The entire situation with citizen taking charge is awesome. Serious props for joining later and keeping active, however stop your random finger pointing unless you start pointing some at yourself. You not only have FoS myself but you have also FoS Infinity. You tell us we shouldn't be playing this like a game of diplomacy yet attacked fishball without provocation to my knowledge rather than taking one of your own home sc's. Now I am just as guilty on that as I took Bul however I'm not trying to keep eyes elsewhere. Show nested quote +On February 22 2011 11:45 infinitestory wrote:On February 22 2011 10:55 citi.zen wrote:On February 22 2011 03:39 infinitestory wrote:
##Vote BC
Because the least you could have done is tell me to move aside. At least that way I would have had time to prepare a fleet on Gre. This post makes no sense. Yes you retreated but won a center overall. How would "moving aside" have helped at all? BC won two centers out of it. You and BC moved to the top of the shady list. Plus, BC has too many votes and no intention to help. ""Vote BloodyC0bbler"" imagine yourself in my shoes for a moment, please. I now have a unit on Rum, pretty much trapped, and I'm going to have to move it back to Ser so BC/someone else doesn't push it farther. In the end, in winter 1903 (when SC count really matters) I will most likely end up with fewer SCs. If BC just wanted access to Rum and told me so, we probably could have worked something out. I currently hold no intentions of moving farther north as I now have two potential exits if I am attacked. I have no real interest to be super aggressive this game as I have not been given a reason to be. If you don't like how the board is situated at the moment I am sorry but I think you can see where I was coming from. To get the ball rolling on this people really should start talking about this game. I am bad for it and if we can get the level of activity up that would be awesome. Now, ATM ace/lsb are doing an obvious sort of fight (started beginning of game). I have explained why I moved where I did, but we still need citizen to justify his move, need bum, coag, nemesis, and beneather to all explain why they are all fighting eachother as It makes no sense to me thus far. Do you think eachother is red? why are you all attacking eachothers home sc's without fully owning your own first? I get this is a mix of two games but so many assaults have happened with little to no provocation that I can get, as no one has vocalized it really in thread except for IS against me, and Ace against LSB. Can we get some reasoning please?
This post is actually helpful because it makes me almost certain BC is red.
Keep in mind BC is one of the top players on TL. As town he typically comes up with a plan of sorts. He knows that he is a prime target for the mafia and needs to make the medic want to protect him. I've seen him so many times kick things off by suggesting DT check lists, medic lists, plans to confirm townies, etc. etc. In this game he would be a lot more motivated to do this since he leads in votes, making him an even juicier mafia target.
Contrast that approach with what BC does in this game. The only long post is the one above, your typical "pretend to be active but give the town nothing" fare. BC says he will give us his opinions on the game but fails to offer much of anything: no talking about Ace's proposal and zero thoughts on how the town might proceed. His post is only really interested with addressing my FOS-ing him, which he does in two ways: patting me on the back for making the game more active (maybe I will think him an ally and lay off him); and casting some doubts about me, which he also does in his follow-up post. Read this sentence again, remembering it comes from one of the best mafia players on TL:
Serious props for joining later and keeping active, however stop your random finger pointing unless you start pointing some at yourself.
While acknowledging the game picked up a bit due to finger pointing, he wants me to stop doing it. Unless I start pointing fingers at myself, that is. Which makes no sense.
Then we have a series of empty statements, restating some of the things we know - eg LSB fighting with Ace.
So there you have it. If you are going to vote for someone else, please offer better behavioral analysis. Then again the level of inactivity is so high the game might be stopped anyway.
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![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/kaa0k.jpg) Spring 1903
+ Show Spoiler [Winter 1902 Adjustment] +
Austria: Build A Bud
Balkans: Build A Ser
France: Build A Mar
France: Build F Bre
Germany: Build A Ber
Lowlands: Build A Bel
Norway: Build F Swe
Russia: Build A Sev
Turkey: Build F Smy
Turkey: Build F Ank
citi.zen, president of Norway, is dead.
It is now Spring 1902. You have until 8 PM EST on Wednesday to get your orders in.
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Wow, that was quick for citi.zen to go.
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EPT
