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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
March 11 2012 23:50 GMT
#241
@DoctorHelvetica If Caller is scum over Jackal58, then what do you make of Curu and I independently arriving at the same conclusion as Caller?

@Mr. Wiggles I didn't read the post before my response, I saw the post, and with a big Jackal58 in it, then I scrolled to the nick and I misread as "Curu" and then I posted. The I went to read it for real and I saw that it was actually Caller.
http://i.imgur.com/M7t7egx.png
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
March 11 2012 23:53 GMT
#242
I make nothing of it, Curu has different reasons that are far better than Caller's.
RIP Aaliyah
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 11 2012 23:55 GMT
#243
On March 12 2012 08:03 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 07:22 layabout wrote:

"Hey i think we should share who we PM" - this is dumb pro-mafia sheeping

"I still think that we should announce our PMs but i am less sure than i was earlier because i am not sure if town are buying this crap"

so yeah lets kill Jaybrundage
Vote: jaybrundage


These two pro-transparency posts lead me to ask you this - what do you think of Mattchew? Look at his filter, his one, concrete opinion is to share who you're PMing. Would this make him scum in your eyes.

Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 15:08 Mattchew wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:50 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On March 11 2012 14:44 Mattchew wrote:
why not sheth... go something to hide? don't wanna slip that you said something to your scum teammate?

scum can already PM each other tbh i don't see any reason for scum to hide their PM targets if you can explain why that's something scum would want to do then you should explain how it's scummy

if i see a good veteran pm a not so good newbie that will raise an alarm really quickly.

prplhz is my homeboy. coupled with the fact that matt's argument and suspicion has been idiotic thus far, I shall place an

FOS on Mattchew.


the only "idiotic" suspicion and argument has come from you sir
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
March 12 2012 00:01 GMT
#244
Responding to Layabout

There's nothing wrong with putting a vote out there just for the hell of it.

I dont like Rg playstyle (lying like 6 times as town) He even expressed he lied alot
as town so he could get away with lying alot as mafia. We are unlikely to get a mafia day one
So lynching a bad townie isn't to bad IF we choose to lynch him. I was mostly fishing for reactions. Didn't get to many sadly

I say i do agree with lynching liars and Lurkers. However i suggest we use them as guidelines.
TL towns dont lynch liars often enough and pushing lurkers to talk and contribute forces mafia to contribute. And in the process mess up

Sharing PMs or not Sharing PMs both have pros and cons. To act like one is simply pro mafia is dumb. I think they both are viable ways to proceed.

Also I put the list of players out. To try to elicit responses from them. I dont want to lost because half our player base isn't contirbuted it doesn't matter if they town or mafia. A town that contributes is a good town. (not spam tho)

I want the lurkers to come out T_T

I dont know about the jackal lynch we could of found a scum. Ill have to go over him. I dont know his meta to well tbh tho.
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
March 12 2012 00:10 GMT
#245
liars and lurkers comes up every game and is the easiest place for scum to hide posts that look like they contain anything useful. its a stupid policy, we should lynch on cases and strong meta reads day 1, and then cases only day 2 and forward
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
March 12 2012 00:14 GMT
#246
Matt lurking as mafia is a completely viable strategy. I dont think we should let it be.

Putting the threat of a lynch to lurkers forces them to contribute. Simple as that.

I think the jackal case can hold some merit. However i will hold my vote for now. I would like to see how he responds
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Jitsu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States929 Posts
March 12 2012 00:41 GMT
#247
Hmmm, looking at it again, I think prphlz's reason to vote for Jackal is a much larger amount of bullshit then Caller's. For instance, you point out that he is using things such as

Instead he is pushing it in a very meek way with his "forgive me" and "sir".


That yells sarcasm to me a lot more then it screams scum.

Wiggles brings up a good point. prphlz is a player that wouldn't just happen to miss the name of someone that posted. It's almost like prphlz was waiting for Curu to post something, realized he fucked up, then tried to cover it.

It's not surprising that prphlz mistakes Curu for Caller, and then 10 minutes later, Curu ACTUALLY comes out with a small little case against Jackal as well.

Shit reeks.

##vote prphlz



Also,
LayAbout, are you still looking at jaybrundage?
Zerg Player in CheckMate Gaming - http://checkmategaming.webs.com/
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
March 12 2012 01:33 GMT
#248
Hi!!! Since we are all pointing fingers I am going to point one as well to blend in! Woo! Okay, Mattchew. You ask a lot of questions..... Wait... This is all you do. I'm going to ignore the following post....
On March 12 2012 09:10 Mattchew wrote:
liars and lurkers comes up every game and is the easiest place for scum to hide posts that look like they contain anything useful. its a stupid policy, we should lynch on cases and strong meta reads day 1, and then cases only day 2 and forward

Because it's just so damn bad <3
## Vote Mattchew

I hope I have succeded in blending in now! I feel so pro bro.
deconduo
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Ireland4122 Posts
March 12 2012 01:34 GMT
#249
On March 11 2012 23:44 layabout wrote:
1. Publicly announcing who you are in PM contact with:
There are situations in which it may be advantageous to announce that you have been PM-ing a player. However, announcing who you are in contact with by default shares information that is of little use to town but that scum would benefit from knowing. For example, if an all-town PM circle was established and announced immediately scum would know that all the players were town and they could then react to this.

2. I like butter

3. Obligatory MS-Paint:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


On March 12 2012 04:06 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 04:01 Mattchew wrote:
so can someone explain to me why keeping your talking buddies private is helpful to town?

What i want to know is who people were talking to outside of thread before they die. It seems very helpful to scum to not reveal who they are PM'ing and kill them off if they are suspicious of them and we don't want to hold them accountable for being in talks with them?


hmmm... it is pretty obvious and has been stated in part already.

wait a minute
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2011 07:47 Mattchew wrote:
Layabout, I am not sure if you are town or scum, either way you are retarded and I hope to god that someone off's you quickly and you ragequit the mafia forum and I never have to read a post by you again.



vote mattchew

unless somebody claims scum i am killing this guy


MS Paint trolling post coupled with dragging a vendetta from a previous game in. I really don't like the way you are playing right now.
Katina
Profile Joined February 2012
United States454 Posts
March 12 2012 01:36 GMT
#250
On March 12 2012 10:34 deconduo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 23:44 layabout wrote:
1. Publicly announcing who you are in PM contact with:
There are situations in which it may be advantageous to announce that you have been PM-ing a player. However, announcing who you are in contact with by default shares information that is of little use to town but that scum would benefit from knowing. For example, if an all-town PM circle was established and announced immediately scum would know that all the players were town and they could then react to this.

2. I like butter

3. Obligatory MS-Paint:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 04:06 layabout wrote:
On March 12 2012 04:01 Mattchew wrote:
so can someone explain to me why keeping your talking buddies private is helpful to town?

What i want to know is who people were talking to outside of thread before they die. It seems very helpful to scum to not reveal who they are PM'ing and kill them off if they are suspicious of them and we don't want to hold them accountable for being in talks with them?


hmmm... it is pretty obvious and has been stated in part already.

wait a minute
On November 30 2011 07:47 Mattchew wrote:
Layabout, I am not sure if you are town or scum, either way you are retarded and I hope to god that someone off's you quickly and you ragequit the mafia forum and I never have to read a post by you again.



vote mattchew

unless somebody claims scum i am killing this guy


MS Paint trolling post coupled with dragging a vendetta from a previous game in. I really don't like the way you are playing right now.

Oh, sorry. You haven't played with Layabout, we all just ignore what he says.
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
March 12 2012 02:03 GMT
#251
On March 12 2012 09:41 Jitsu wrote:
Hmmm, looking at it again, I think prphlz's reason to vote for Jackal is a much larger amount of bullshit then Caller's. For instance, you point out that he is using things such as

Show nested quote +
Instead he is pushing it in a very meek way with his "forgive me" and "sir".


That yells sarcasm to me a lot more then it screams scum.

Wiggles brings up a good point. prphlz is a player that wouldn't just happen to miss the name of someone that posted. It's almost like prphlz was waiting for Curu to post something, realized he fucked up, then tried to cover it.

It's not surprising that prphlz mistakes Curu for Caller, and then 10 minutes later, Curu ACTUALLY comes out with a small little case against Jackal as well.

Shit reeks.

##vote prphlz



Also,
LayAbout, are you still looking at jaybrundage?


Yeah great thinking there captain. The whole Mafia team decided we need to kill Jackal so we all posted about it.

Go read Werewolves I (Jackal Town), Storm Mafia (Jackal Town), then Cosmic Horror (Jackal Mafia) and TL Mafia XLVIII (Jackal Mafia). Compare the posting style between Jackal in those games. If you look at all his games actually this same style is consistent through every game without fail depending on if he rolled Town or Mafia. I tried to illustrate this with random quotes I took from a bunch of his games.

In the last game especially, using the exact same standard that's set in this game I was able to identify Jackal as Mafia from day 1. Here's the link:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291212

It is an argument purely based on meta but on day 1 meta is one of the best indicators. If you read this game:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266305

We also used meta to establish Palmar as scum on day 1 and get him lynched.
wat
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
March 12 2012 02:10 GMT
#252
The votes on Mattchew are also incredibly bad. Asking questions and forcing opinions is fine on day 1 when there's nothing else to work off and his assertion that day 1 should revolve around strong meta reads is absolutely correct. There is nothing dumb about the post like Katina would have you believe, certainly nothing even close to scummy.

Sentinel's vote is even worse, there are different merits and failures for sharing/not sharing who you are PMing. Neither option is inherently pro Town or pro Mafia, wanting a lynch on him because he advised sharing who you PM with is absurd.

That said Mattchew you on board with the Jackal case? You advocated strong meta reads on day 1. This is a strong meta read on day 1 with precedents. Take a look at Jackal's games/posts and tell us what you think.
wat
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
March 12 2012 02:36 GMT
#253
On March 12 2012 09:14 jaybrundage wrote:
Matt lurking as mafia is a completely viable strategy. I dont think we should let it be.

Putting the threat of a lynch to lurkers forces them to contribute. Simple as that.

I think the jackal case can hold some merit. However i will hold my vote for now. I would like to see how he responds

How would you like me to respond? I called bullshit on Caller and He does an OMGUS which is enough for the two biggest Jub Jubs in this game to jump on board with.
Caller spouted bullshit, I called him on said bullshit. And then he spouts more bullshit.
Life can only kill you once.
Mr. Wiggles
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada5894 Posts
March 12 2012 02:48 GMT
#254
On March 12 2012 11:36 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 09:14 jaybrundage wrote:
Matt lurking as mafia is a completely viable strategy. I dont think we should let it be.

Putting the threat of a lynch to lurkers forces them to contribute. Simple as that.

I think the jackal case can hold some merit. However i will hold my vote for now. I would like to see how he responds

How would you like me to respond? I called bullshit on Caller and He does an OMGUS which is enough for the two biggest Jub Jubs in this game to jump on board with.
Caller spouted bullshit, I called him on said bullshit. And then he spouts more bullshit.

Who do you want to lynch?
you gotta dance
jaybrundage
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3921 Posts
March 12 2012 02:50 GMT
#255
Jackal how would you respond to the accusations that you have a different tone. If you are mafia or town.

Who do you want to lynch. Put a case foward plz.

And have to agree with curu.

Matt hasnt said anything scummy as far as i can see. You case is really weak Katina
The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
March 12 2012 03:15 GMT
#256
My "tone" is different in every game. Every game is different. My "tone" changes with the context of the game.
It's 24 hours into day 1. I have no clue who scum is. Although I have definitely identified stupid.
Life can only kill you once.
Jackal58
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4264 Posts
March 12 2012 03:15 GMT
#257
And I'm going to bed.
Life can only kill you once.
Protactinium
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada550 Posts
March 12 2012 03:35 GMT
#258
Corrected an error in wording in the OP and added a section for voting. Here is the new important information:


This game uses ZBot to count votes. This means your vote must be placed in the correct format or your vote will not be counted.

The correct format is as follows:
##Vote Kwatle
##Vote: Kwatle

Votes must be written in bold. Votes are not case sensitive, but requires correct spelling. To change your vote, you must specify who you are unvoting. For example,

##Unvote Kwatle
##Vote flamewheel



Also, the mafia's hide flip power hides all the flips that occur during 1 half cycle, not just one player.
And so, we find the Sublime.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5262 Posts
March 12 2012 03:45 GMT
#259
will catch up on thread and post on potential lynchings in around 2 hours. but:

On March 12 2012 10:33 Katina wrote:
Hi!!! Since we are all pointing fingers I am going to point one as well to blend in! Woo! Okay, Mattchew. You ask a lot of questions..... Wait... This is all you do. I'm going to ignore the following post....
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 09:10 Mattchew wrote:
liars and lurkers comes up every game and is the easiest place for scum to hide posts that look like they contain anything useful. its a stupid policy, we should lynch on cases and strong meta reads day 1, and then cases only day 2 and forward

Because it's just so damn bad <3
## Vote Mattchew

I hope I have succeded in blending in now! I feel so pro bro.


are you trying to do some bad townie gambit or something, b/c this "case" is so bad it's like it's trying to attract acid.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
March 12 2012 06:01 GMT
#260
jitsu, what are your thoughts on layabout's alignment this game?
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