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On November 20 2013 16:05 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler ++ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 15:50 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 15:37 sciberbia wrote:
@thrawn
I legitimately thought Cora was the scummiest person in the thread at the time (if by the tiniest of margins). My intention was mainly to get interesting discussion started. That is a very interesting response. When I initially saw your first post I thought, "I like scib's post, it looks like he's trying to bait reactions or somesuch townie tactic because there is no way that he could actually be serious about this!" Here's why.. Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:12 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 20 2013 12:00 Mocsta wrote:
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Yo fuck the POLICE true dat These posts came before your comment on Mocsta. Aren't they both as "safe" and "trolly" as what Corazon did? Why did you decide that only Corazon deserved to be called out for what bereft and I also did? One of your concerns with C's post is that it "echoes what Mocsta said." Typically a point like this can be valid when someone restates another's argument, and the reason why it would be scummy is because it means the person who "echoes" has to "echo" because they cannot produce content of their own. Are you really trying to suggest that Corazon didn't know what to say, so he decided to copy Mocsta, and is therefore scummy? That argument completely falls apart when you're talking about something so silly and non-alignment indicative as saying "fuck the police." @thrawn I agree it's an extremely weak tell. It was the first page of the game so that's all you can expect. Bereft's post is much more attention-grabby and less 'safe' than Cora's. If anything I leaned town on Bereft for his first post. Your first post was slightly less blendy than Cora's and you followed it up with a natural question, so that was a point in your favor. I'm not going to argue how Cora's first post makes him scum. That's just a silly argument. I just find it ever so slightly scummier than the other initial posts, so that's why I chose to single his out. I basically looked at all the opening posts and thought to myself, "Which of these might I post as scum if I was hoping to blend in and not draw attention?" and Cora's fit that description best. Not to be a prick, but your opener fits that bill more than Corazon.
Corazon and I have history, so you could argue he opened that way to satiate me from tunneling him.
However, town are guilty of posting responses like that as openers or second posts very often.
its part of early game trolling.
Hence why I gave Corazon post a null tell. I don't like how you rambled several paragraphs just to state the above.
Too much quantity, not enough substance.
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Anyways, I don't want to drown the thread so gonna take a chill pill and re-read again.
Important things for everyone to know:
As town:
- Corazon is a highly emotional player. From my experiences he doesn't give up - even though he says he will (when tunneled by scum)
- Sciberbia (as I have played with him) is a highly analytical player
- Aquanim is a straight-shooter thinker. He *abhors* trolling/spam; and is a pretty effective communicator. I take him to be a head-strong guy that *should* be injecting his thoughts into the thread without provocation
- Thrawn I don't have meta on and don't care, his thoughts align too much with mine.
The others no idea.
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Aquanim is scum. I just read through all his posts and concluded that he is not looking for scum and is not suspicious of anything. I don't want to make a big post full of quotes so I'd like you to read his filter and then read this post.
He starts the game by asking the "are you scum" question. When questioned about this he says he has a slight town read on Mocsta. In his next post after giving Mocsta the "teeny tiny town read" he expands upon the reasoning for said town read with way more words than are needed. Later in that post he comments on things that aren't related to scumhunting. He ends that same post with a question to Corazon but the question is not framed in a way that it looks like he is suspicious of Corazon. He then asks rean a similar sounding question, and posts another question for Corazon. None of it looks like scumhunting because I don't sense any hint of accusation behind any of the questions. After those series of questions comes a larger post where he gives me a townread, and says he doesn't like Corazon's case but he doesn't call Corazon scum for it. Then there's another non-accusatory question to rean, and he asks a nonsensical and completely useless question about vig shots. He asks who would mocsta shoot, but says that this doesn't mean he's asking for a scumread. What use is a vig shot other than to shoot a scumread? It doesn't make any sense at all and I don't see how he was trying to help town by asking it.
So what is his filter comprised of? Town reads, overly lengthy explanations for things that aren't important, weak questions that don't look like he's actually looking for scum, and a completely useless question about vig-shots.
##vote: aquanim
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On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote:... Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 15:57 Aquanim wrote:
@Mocsta
If Corazon and sciberbia are both scum, what was their motive for going after one another as they have so early? It's focused a lot of attention on the two of them, and I can't imagine that being what scum wants.
@Rean
Why do you want to see me in particular pressured? To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure. So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why?
Probably you. I don't like how easily you swallowed Corazon's case on sciberbia, given that I felt it was sketchy at best. I also don't see any particular purpose behind your posting so far - you've offered some observations when prompted but I don't see you trying to get more information and learn more about the motivations of other players, besides some half-assed and half-hearted pressuring of myself (which you tried to prompt someone else to do).
In fact, the more I think about your filter the less I like it.
##Vote: Rean
I'd give some consideration to shooting Corazon but even if I was convinced he was scum I think I'd learn much more from lynching him than by simply shooting him.
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@Mocsta
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Having just come out of a game as scum. I personally feel this is written with the tone of scum-scum.
Sciberbia takes a position using strong descriptive words "trolly" and "ingratiating" from one post that to me - with limited knowledge - is null.
Further, Sciberbia references my name.. I find this odd.
I know I am town, but only scum should be aware of that too.
Now: SCiberbia does not comment on my alignment here; yet, directly infers it was scummish for Corazon to
"echo" what I said.
I felt his post was 99% null and the 1% scummy. That's all there is to it. It's really senseless to try to keep analyzing this when we now have so much more to go on.
Your alignment was irrelevant. His post is blendy regardless of what your alignment is.
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Again, as stated before this reads to me gentle prodding: NOT for information, but to discredit.
Coming back to the thread, Aquanim reads a lot more calm/composed to me so is back to null. I think Sciberbia has jumped too brashly into an opportunity to shit-sling and from a player of his analytical background I find this highly suspicious.
This isn't shit-slinging at all.. I was prodding aquanim for information. I was confused why he called your response townie because I thought the natural conclusion from his premises was that it was scummy. I thought he might just be scared to seriously call you scum which is why I asked for more explanation to see how genuine his response was. It seemed genuine enough so I let it go at that.
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You claimed that my asking thrawn if he was claiming masons is a scumslip.
This tell is objectively ridiculous on two levels. First of all, it was not perfectly clear whether thrawn was claiming masons or not, given that he used the words "confirmed town to each other" and he had stated no prior indication that he thought you were town (I checked). So I wasn't wrong to ask him whether he was claiming or not, because it was objectively unclear.
And secondly, even if it was objectively crystal clear that he wasn't claiming masons, I'm pretty sure that my alignment has very little to no bearing on my reading comprehension.
Let me know if I missed anything that you still want me to respond to. (thrawn, mocsta)
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Short answer to Thrawn's case:
I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them.
Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them.
For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning.
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EBWOP
Oh yea one other I wanted to reply to was your criticism that I ignored Cora for a while. I stopped prodding Cora because other people were doing a fine job of it and I thought it'd be more productive for them to ask questions such as "explain why you think this about sciberbia" than me doing it. Also I was getting increasingly suspicious of him so I decided to just observe and include my comprehensive thoughts in a later case.
I didn't want to miss the opportunity to question Rean who is probably my second strongest read right now. I find Aquanim's above post on him agreeable.
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On November 20 2013 16:42 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote:... On November 20 2013 15:57 Aquanim wrote:
@Mocsta
If Corazon and sciberbia are both scum, what was their motive for going after one another as they have so early? It's focused a lot of attention on the two of them, and I can't imagine that being what scum wants.
@Rean
Why do you want to see me in particular pressured? To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure. So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why? Probably you. I don't like how easily you swallowed Corazon's case on sciberbia, given that I felt it was sketchy at best. I also don't see any particular purpose behind your posting so far - you've offered some observations when prompted but I don't see you trying to get more information and learn more about the motivations of other players, besides some half-assed and half-hearted pressuring of myself (which you tried to prompt someone else to do). In fact, the more I think about your filter the less I like it. ##Vote: ReanI'd give some consideration to shooting Corazon but even if I was convinced he was scum I think I'd learn much more from lynching him than by simply shooting him.
This post is obviously fake. This is the first time Aquanim commits to a scum read, and the way he does it does not look natural. He cites Corazon's case as being "sketchy at best" when earlier he gave Corazon a null read for it, because he could see how town Corazon could make the case. Seeing how a town C can make a case and calling him null does not match up with aquanim thinking the case was "sketchy at best." This means that this reason for thinking rean is scum is completely made up. After that point Aquanim talks about rean's play as a whole but I think his summary applies more to himself than it does to Rean. On top of that his allegations are false... Rean has made posts where he appears to be trying to discern alignments. Go find them, it's easy. It took me about 2 seconds after opening his filter. If it took me 2 seconds to reach the opposite conclusion Aquanim did.... something's not right.
On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote:
Short answer to Thrawn's case:
I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them.
Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them.
For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning.
In this post he is acknowledging that everything I said about him was correct. He's not scumhunting, etc. His excuse for this is that he's concerned that people might just come in and sheep the Corazon lynch? This is a very weak excuse for not being suspicious of anything and not trying to scumhunt. If he didn't want the thread to only talk about Corazon he could have just as easily found something else to talk about. His case and vote for Rean does not count as him trying to do this because Rean nearly forced him into it. He says he voted Rean to open a second wagon. So what does that mean? He wasn't actually that suspicious of Rean and he truly isn't suspicious of anything? I'm not buying it.
Another thing I didn't like about this defense is that he was neither suspicious of my motives, nor did he get angry, frustrated, annoyed, etc at me for being a bad townie via my reading him incorrectly. I was very emphatic about my opinion that he is mafia and I expect him to reply with either of the two responses I just mentioned.
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On November 20 2013 16:46 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +@Mocsta + Show Spoiler +
Having just come out of a game as scum. I personally feel this is written with the tone of scum-scum.
Sciberbia takes a position using strong descriptive words "trolly" and "ingratiating" from one post that to me - with limited knowledge - is null.
Further, Sciberbia references my name.. I find this odd.
I know I am town, but only scum should be aware of that too.
Now: SCiberbia does not comment on my alignment here; yet, directly infers it was scummish for Corazon to
"echo" what I said.
I felt his post was 99% null and the 1% scummy. That's all there is to it. It's really senseless to try to keep analyzing this when we now have so much more to go on. Your alignment was irrelevant. His post is blendy regardless of what your alignment is. + Show Spoiler +
Again, as stated before this reads to me gentle prodding: NOT for information, but to discredit.
Coming back to the thread, Aquanim reads a lot more calm/composed to me so is back to null. I think Sciberbia has jumped too brashly into an opportunity to shit-sling and from a player of his analytical background I find this highly suspicious.
This isn't shit-slinging at all.. I was prodding aquanim for information. I was confused why he called your response townie because I thought the natural conclusion from his premises was that it was scummy. I thought he might just be scared to seriously call you scum which is why I asked for more explanation to see how genuine his response was. It seemed genuine enough so I let it go at that. + Show Spoiler +
You claimed that my asking thrawn if he was claiming masons is a scumslip.
This tell is objectively ridiculous on two levels. First of all, it was not perfectly clear whether thrawn was claiming masons or not, given that he used the words "confirmed town to each other" and he had stated no prior indication that he thought you were town (I checked). So I wasn't wrong to ask him whether he was claiming or not, because it was objectively unclear. And secondly, even if it was objectively crystal clear that he wasn't claiming masons, I'm pretty sure that my alignment has very little to no bearing on my reading comprehension. Let me know if I missed anything that you still want me to respond to. (thrawn, mocsta) Nah we are OK.
That sprawl before was thoughts written as I was reading and unedited.
I have had "another" re-read and have had a chance to settle my thoughts.
##Unvote
I feel better about Corazon because of the impetus he had on page 8 when Rean questioned Aquanim about town/scum reads.
At this time, Corazon/Sciberbia were going at it pretty hard; and Corazon feels the compulsion to inject himself into the convo of Rean/Aquanim to state some pro-town stuff.
Considering the battle with Sciberia, I find this move as scum highly unlikely - as it suggests that a scum Corazon was not threatened by being pressured by Scibs et al - something which contradicts his emotional mindset.
I have downgraded Scibs to null territory as I like his consistency. Curerntly I think I am misinterpreting his intentions.
Maybe he genuinely does hate trolling, and I just haven't seen him like this before.
Somethings still bugging me about Rean *and* Aquanim. I think its their composure during all of this.
Thrawn case on Aquanim is interesting and I want to see his response before proceeding further.
As an aside:
I find it curious that Aquanim thought Thrawn was town for throwing a leading vote onto Corazon, yet did not join the train himself. I don't think he attributed the tell as as "thrawn specific" tell, so the corollary is that he agreed Corazon was scummy
Further, I do not like how Aquanim handled the Mocsta town-read query from Sciberbia regarding sarcasm.
On November 20 2013 12:54 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:26 sciberbia wrote:On November 20 2013 12:18 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 12:14 thrawn2112 wrote:On November 20 2013 12:12 Aquanim wrote:
Also, it gave you something to ask me about, so as a conversation starter I consider it a success. What are your conclusions about moc's alignment based on his answer? A teeny-tiny town-lean since he seems to be relaxed. That's interesting. I assumed you were coming to the opposite conclusion, since to me his response looks more "sarcastic and dodgy" than "just saying no". What about his response strikes you as relaxed? + Show Spoiler [sarcastic and dodgy] +On November 20 2013 12:06 Mocsta wrote:
Scum: a layer of dirt or froth on the surface of a liquid.
No, I am not.
I am a mobster, which is typically "scum" in the world of forum-mafia
However, in this game, roles are reversed and of the town I am.
I think it's to be expected that in a forum game replies will be more verbose, and I'd expect some level of sarcasm from Mocsta in any case. Without any previous experience with this tactic in a forum game I don't have a baseline to compare to. As an actual answer to your question: While his answer does have a fair bit of fluff in it, I don't get the feeling that he is uncomfortable talking about his alignment[ which I think is the pertinent point. The "No, I am not" is quite direct. First he says townies just say "no" which my response didnt fit into.
Then he says I am town because I was relaxed.
Then says i was direct.
The "No, I am not" was referring to be dirt or froth, and was clearly written in jest; thus satisfying his sarcastic criteria for scum.
All up this reads as bullshit to justify a compromising position.
This is not enough to secure a vote, but is a negative point none-the-less.
Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 12:37 cDgCorazon wrote:
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2. I'm voting for the scummiest person. My last game was Titanic and it came down to 3-4 days of "X is scum, Y/Z/Q is scum as well". That led the town way off of the path and allowed my scum team the easiest scum win in a very long time. I don't care if they're not on the two lynch trains that are going to form. It's not instant majority so as long as I feel like I'm voting for the scummiest person in my opinion, I'm going to be happy with my vote.
this. If I see one more person go "X/Y/Z is scumteam GG NO RE #MANNERMULES"... (especially when X/Y/Z are each and every one town...) /rant
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On that note, sciberia needs to stop analyzing the first page so hard and just discuss. We're not going to find scum on the first page. You guys just need to talk instead of being at each other's throats 30 minutes into the game.
The way I see it, sciberbia analysing the first page at least gives us something to talk about. Why don't you think what he's doing is productive?[/QUOTE]I suppose if Aquanim was scum hes not putting pressure on him because Scib focus was Corazon.
However, in general I like this question.
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On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote:
I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them. This is a really smooth response by the way. I'm going to add this to my memory banks with your permission.
Having said that: it did appear to me that you were more infatuated talking to Rean when Corazon was happening. The above does not do anything to address the non-committment Thrawn was referring to as you are talking about a position POST-HOC.
For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning. I will wait for a response from Rean before weighing in on that argument.
Regarding Corazon: I find it odd you think that is damning . Unless both are scum, I find that action to be indicative of town.
You do not appear to think Sciberbia is scum; which perplexes me why you would think Corazon is thus, scum.
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On November 20 2013 13:19 Rean wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote:
he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you.
i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? He means that Mocsta is going around calling people scum or town straightup, unlike Sciberia who is more held back.
At this point, what in Sciberias posting came to you as held back?
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On November 20 2013 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:42 Aquanim wrote:On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote:... On November 20 2013 15:57 Aquanim wrote:
@Mocsta
If Corazon and sciberbia are both scum, what was their motive for going after one another as they have so early? It's focused a lot of attention on the two of them, and I can't imagine that being what scum wants.
@Rean
Why do you want to see me in particular pressured? To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure. So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why? Probably you. I don't like how easily you swallowed Corazon's case on sciberbia, given that I felt it was sketchy at best. I also don't see any particular purpose behind your posting so far - you've offered some observations when prompted but I don't see you trying to get more information and learn more about the motivations of other players, besides some half-assed and half-hearted pressuring of myself (which you tried to prompt someone else to do). In fact, the more I think about your filter the less I like it. ##Vote: ReanI'd give some consideration to shooting Corazon but even if I was convinced he was scum I think I'd learn much more from lynching him than by simply shooting him. This post is obviously fake. This is the first time Aquanim commits to a scum read, and the way he does it does not look natural. He cites Corazon's case as being "sketchy at best" when earlier he gave Corazon a null read for it, because he could see how town Corazon could make the case. Seeing how a town C can make a case and calling him null does not match up with aquanim thinking the case was "sketchy at best." This means that this reason for thinking rean is scum is completely made up. After that point Aquanim talks about rean's play as a whole but I think his summary applies more to himself than it does to Rean. On top of that his allegations are false... Rean has made posts where he appears to be trying to discern alignments. Go find them, it's easy. It took me about 2 seconds after opening his filter. If it took me 2 seconds to reach the opposite conclusion Aquanim did.... something's not right.
I always thought Corazon's case on sciberbia was bad. That's not inconsistent with my opinion that Corazon could be town having made that case. There were two possibilities:
- Corazon was town and honestly mistaken
- Corazon was making a case to generate discussion and wasn't particularly concerned with its quality.
Sure, Rean asked me for a scum read. That's the easiest and least insightful question you can ask, scum can do that without any effort at all. I don't see any indications that Rean is putting actual effort into his scum hunting.
Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote:
Short answer to Thrawn's case:
I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them.
Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them.
For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning. In this post he is acknowledging that everything I said about him was correct. He's not scumhunting, etc. His excuse for this is that he's concerned that people might just come in and sheep the Corazon lynch? This is a very weak excuse for not being suspicious of anything and not trying to scumhunt. If he didn't want the thread to only talk about Corazon he could have just as easily found something else to talk about. His case and vote for Rean does not count as him trying to do this because Rean nearly forced him into it. He says he voted Rean to open a second wagon. So what does that mean? He wasn't actually that suspicious of Rean and he truly isn't suspicious of anything? I'm not buying it. Another thing I didn't like about this defense is that he was neither suspicious of my motives, nor did he get angry, frustrated, annoyed, etc at me for being a bad townie via my reading him incorrectly. I was very emphatic about my opinion that he is mafia and I expect him to reply with either of the two responses I just mentioned.
Everything you said about my play was more or less accurate, why should I try and deny that? Corazon and Sciberia's little dust-up was pretty much the only thing that had happened so far in the game, so I asked some other random questions. Mocsta answered questions enthusiastically and more-or-less logically, which gives me a town read on him; Rean answered questions with mostly useless one-liners, which gives me a scum read on him. I consider my time well spent.
I'm about as confident that Rean is scum as Corazon, perhaps a little less, which is compensated by the advantages of opening up a second wagon.
I'm not suspicious of your motives because you're obvtown. I'm not annoyed at you because you're not ridiculously misrepresenting my play (which would be bad play), you're just wrong about my alignment.
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On November 20 2013 17:07 thrawn2112 wrote:
Another thing I didn't like about this defense is that he was neither suspicious of my motives, nor did he get angry, frustrated, annoyed, etc at me for being a bad townie via my reading him incorrectly. I was very emphatic about my opinion that he is mafia and I expect him to reply with either of the two responses I just mentioned.
Quote of the day.
+ Show Spoiler +Its interesting the case on Rean only came out after I gave some meta speil on Aquanim being proactive  I gotta get some credit mason man
##Vote: Aquanim
Choo-Choo !!
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On November 20 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 13:19 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote:
he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you.
i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? He means that Mocsta is going around calling people scum or town straightup, unlike Sciberia who is more held back. At this point, what in Sciberias posting came to you as held back?
Hi jampidampi,
Help me out please.
Firstly, I assume you have read the whole thread, thus consider this post to be significant enough to warrant being your introduction post?
Secondly, Are you querying Rean for information about Rean or Sciberbia?
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On November 20 2013 17:17 Mocsta wrote:
Regarding Corazon: I find it odd you think that is damning . Unless both are scum, I find that action to be indicative of town.
You do not appear to think Sciberbia is scum; which perplexes me why you would think Corazon is thus, scum.
Okay, let me rephrase that. I don't see any town-motivated purpose to Corazon's posting so far. If he thinks Sciberbia is scum, why isn't he voting for him? If he isn't confident Sciberbia is scum, why is he pushing the Sciberbia-scum argument so vehemently?
I think Corazon's case is bad but obviously he doesn't. Corazon's vote doesn't have to be consistent with my opinion of his case, it has to be consistent with his opinion - and it's not.
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On November 20 2013 17:24 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:On November 20 2013 13:19 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote:
he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you.
i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? He means that Mocsta is going around calling people scum or town straightup, unlike Sciberia who is more held back. At this point, what in Sciberias posting came to you as held back? Hi jampidampi, Help me out please. Firstly, I assume you have read the whole thread, thus consider this post to be significant enough to warrant being your introduction post? Secondly, Are you querying Rean for information about Rean or Sciberbia?
I'm asking him about his thought process.
I find that "held back" is a very interesting way to describe Sciberias play up to that point, imo he was one of the most direct poeple at that time.
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On November 20 2013 17:21 Aquanim wrote:
*snip*
Sure, Rean asked me for a scum read. That's the easiest and least insightful question you can ask, scum can do that without any effort at all. I don't see any indications that Rean is putting actual effort into his scum hunting.
You have got to be joking me?
As we are speaking generically: the only time scum have an easy time giving scum reads is if they are referring to their own team. Otherwise, they are *always* lying - due to calling town players that they *know* are town... scum.
Mafia is a game of psychology and motive. The whole point is to catch mafia in a lie that a townie would not execute. Scum giving bullshit scum reads is meant to be one of those avenues.
I dont have a clue how you get this so wrong?
On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote:
I'm about as confident that Rean is scum as Corazon, perhaps a little less, which is compensated by the advantages of opening up a second wagon. Why feel the need to build a case and *vote* for Rean instead of produce a series of questioning aimed at discerning his alignment?
If anything a vote/case on him could make him harder to read as it puts him on the alert??
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On November 20 2013 17:30 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 17:21 Aquanim wrote:
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Sure, Rean asked me for a scum read. That's the easiest and least insightful question you can ask, scum can do that without any effort at all. I don't see any indications that Rean is putting actual effort into his scum hunting.
You have got to be joking me? As we are speaking generically: the only time scum have an easy time giving scum reads is if they are referring to their own team. Otherwise, they are *always* lying - due to calling town players that they *know* are town... scum. Mafia is a game of psychology and motive. The whole point is to catch mafia in a lie that a townie would not execute. Scum giving bullshit scum reads is meant to be one of those avenues. I dont have a clue how you get this so wrong?
You've misunderstood me. It's an easy question for scum to ASK. That is, if Rean is scum, he can very easily just ask someone for their scumreads.
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On November 20 2013 17:29 jampidampi wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 17:24 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:On November 20 2013 13:19 Rean wrote:On November 20 2013 13:14 Bereft wrote:
he wasn't actually calling mocsta scum. just you.
i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? He means that Mocsta is going around calling people scum or town straightup, unlike Sciberia who is more held back. At this point, what in Sciberias posting came to you as held back? Hi jampidampi, Help me out please. Firstly, I assume you have read the whole thread, thus consider this post to be significant enough to warrant being your introduction post? Secondly, Are you querying Rean for information about Rean or Sciberbia? I'm asking him about his thought process. I find that "held back" is a very interesting way to describe Sciberias play up to that point, imo he was one of the most direct poeple at that time. OK, thanks.
Have you read the whole thread?
Is it safe to assume that because you are "intrigued" by Rean, you are in any agreement with Aquanim case on Rean?
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On November 20 2013 17:31 Aquanim wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 20 2013 17:30 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2013 17:21 Aquanim wrote:
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Sure, Rean asked me for a scum read. That's the easiest and least insightful question you can ask, scum can do that without any effort at all. I don't see any indications that Rean is putting actual effort into his scum hunting.
You have got to be joking me? As we are speaking generically: the only time scum have an easy time giving scum reads is if they are referring to their own team. Otherwise, they are *always* lying - due to calling town players that they *know* are town... scum. Mafia is a game of psychology and motive. The whole point is to catch mafia in a lie that a townie would not execute. Scum giving bullshit scum reads is meant to be one of those avenues. I dont have a clue how you get this so wrong? You've misunderstood me. It's an easy question for scum to ASK. That is, if Rean is scum, he can very easily just ask someone for their scumreads.
Correct, thats me jumping back into the mindset of posting before thinking.
My bad.
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