On May 16 2012 08:51 aseq wrote: Hmmm that goal was lucky x3: - bounces off the defender's legs - cross wasn't good but gets headed back in - i think he meant to control the ball and hit it hard, instead it chips and flukes in. Do they plan to score like this again? I don't think matches vs Ireland or Ukraine are a walkover but you can't say they'll be favorites in a match either...but no match is a more than 75% win for any team.
Never said it wasn't "lucky". But then again, he could only stare at the ball doing nothing. Being in right position while maintaining confidence + balance and doing precise shot is not all about luck. I would say 70% skill, 30% luck. But goal is a goal.
Cross wasn't good? Be elaborate plz.
I wouldnt say so,because if you see how he handles the ball:
He cleary uses his "outside" side of foot and that side is usually used to chip the goalkeeper. Rapaić had great cross skills and he used them in exact moment to chip the goalkeeper, he knew it was better thing in that situation then straight shoot. If you ever played football then you know what I'm talking about, that exact second, that one milisecond that you think about how to shoot a ball.
Maybe, I don't know, ball is a round thing you know.
I didn't say they are favorites, from where do you pull your facts, from your ass? ;P
btw. remember this?:
Your goal, it just shook off goalkeeper in high post and swirl like crazy. And you would tell that's luck? No, your player did good job shooting, but heh, we were better that time ;P
Dutch almost decided squad (27 players, 4 more need to be dropped):
Goalkeepers: Tim Krul (Newcastle United), Maarten Stekelenburg (AS Roma), Michel Vorm (Swansea City)
Defence: Vurnon Anita (Ajax), Khalid Boulahrouz (VfB Stuttgart), Wilfred Bouma (PSV), John Heitinga (Everton), Joris Mathijsen (Málaga), Ron Vlaar (Feyenoord), Gregory van der Wiel (Ajax), Jetro Willems (PSV)
Midfield: Mark van Bommel (AC Milan), Nigel de Jong (Manchester City), Siem de Jong (Ajax), Adam Maher (AZ), Stijn Schaars (Sporting Lissabon), Wesley Sneijder (Internazionale), Kevin Strootman (PSV), Rafael van der Vaart (Tottenham Hotspur)
Attack: Ibrahim Afellay (Barcelona), Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (Schalke 04), Luuk de Jong (FC Twente), Dirk Kuyt (Liverpool), Jeremain Lens (PSV), Luciano Narsingh (SC Heerenveen), Robin van Persie (Arsenal), Arjen Robben (Bayern München)
Not sure about downing or defo, what about crouch? hes been good this season
it baffles me how England mangers always ignore lower league / premiership teams.. Not that keen on our midfield with players like rooney and carrol crossing will be a big part of our game.. so we have..
barry who passes backwards downing who cant pass at all gerrard who is good but rarely gets crosses in, lampard - same (both more central players parker who is a defensive midfielder milner never plays young cant cross for shit (as a man utd fan i know this) walcot can never cross decent.. oxc.. ? not sure
oh well maybe in 2 years time we will have an ok team :D
Foster (WBA) Keeper is not chosen due to turning down Hodgson's plea to come out of retirement to go with the squad
Parker (Totenham) Is said to be 90% certain to miss out on the entire tournament with his injury he has got/picked up end of the season. So it looks like Gerrard and Hart are battling it out to be England captain (as JT can't due to this court case over his head)
Henderson (Liverpool) is set to replace Parker if indeed Parker cannont make the Euro trip.
England vs Norway - May 26th England vs Belgium - June 2nd Are England's only 2 games before the tournament begins in Ukraine, will be interesting to see what Hodgson can do with such little time.
On May 16 2012 22:02 GTR wrote: Disappointed to see Grant Holt not included on the list, he had a pretty good PL season, 2nd Englishman behind Rooney for goals this season.
Im more dissapointed that youngster from Celtic didn't get a look in. Hooper, scored 5 goals last game of the season and 29 in total. Looks a decent shot, and he is a proud Englishman. I would of had him atleast on back up list
Stand By List Jack Butland (Birmingham) Phil Jagielka (Everton) Jordan Henderson (Liverpool) Adam Johnson (Man City) Daniel Sturridge (Chelsea)
First of all, how fuck Downing > Sturridge this season :S Other than that im fine with it, be interesting who gets armband!
well Ruddy is a suprise but still hart will play unless somethign happens anyway. Suprised by Ferdinands ommission but still... cant have both him and Terry in squad. Jones is in because he is versatile.
Downing is shit... really suprised he is in there...Also suprised both barry and Milner are there... Chamberlain I like but he doesnt even get in the Arsenal team constantly. I would of picked Johnson over Downing.
Carroll over Crouch was one or the other both unique in the air! Suprised Sturridge isnt there eithier.
Anyway looking at this squad over past squads.. one of the worst EVER, probably this eyar that England go far haha.
On May 16 2012 21:58 Pandemona wrote: More light on the subject.
Foster (WBA) Keeper is not chosen due to turning down Hodgson's plea to come out of retirement to go with the squad
Parker (Totenham) Is said to be 90% certain to miss out on the entire tournament with his injury he has got/picked up end of the season. So it looks like Gerrard and Hart are battling it out to be England captain (as JT can't due to this court case over his head)
Henderson (Liverpool) is set to replace Parker if indeed Parker cannont make the Euro trip.
England vs Norway - May 26th England vs Belgium - June 2nd Are England's only 2 games before the tournament begins in Ukraine, will be interesting to see what Hodgson can do with such little time.
On May 16 2012 22:02 GTR wrote: Disappointed to see Grant Holt not included on the list, he had a pretty good PL season, 2nd Englishman behind Rooney for goals this season.
Im more dissapointed that youngster from Celtic didn't get a look in. Hooper, scored 5 goals last game of the season and 29 in total. Looks a decent shot, and he is a proud Englishman. I would of had him atleast on back up list
scottish football is shit, sorry. Who was top scorer the other season Boyd? he joined a championship side and couldnt deliver.. always been the case!!! Scoring goals in scottish football is equilvant probably to scoringn in championship..
On May 16 2012 21:58 Pandemona wrote: More light on the subject.
Foster (WBA) Keeper is not chosen due to turning down Hodgson's plea to come out of retirement to go with the squad
Parker (Totenham) Is said to be 90% certain to miss out on the entire tournament with his injury he has got/picked up end of the season. So it looks like Gerrard and Hart are battling it out to be England captain (as JT can't due to this court case over his head)
Henderson (Liverpool) is set to replace Parker if indeed Parker cannont make the Euro trip.
England vs Norway - May 26th England vs Belgium - June 2nd Are England's only 2 games before the tournament begins in Ukraine, will be interesting to see what Hodgson can do with such little time.
On May 16 2012 22:02 GTR wrote: Disappointed to see Grant Holt not included on the list, he had a pretty good PL season, 2nd Englishman behind Rooney for goals this season.
Im more dissapointed that youngster from Celtic didn't get a look in. Hooper, scored 5 goals last game of the season and 29 in total. Looks a decent shot, and he is a proud Englishman. I would of had him atleast on back up list
scottish football is shit, sorry. Who was top scorer the other season Boyd? he joined a championship side and couldnt deliver.. always been the case!!! Scoring goals in scottish football is equilvant probably to scoringn in championship..
Jelavic......was better than RVP on goals per game ratio ^_^ came from Scottish league doing the same thing he doing there that is here now. Hooper was 23 goals for side in League one, went to Celtic first season 29 goals injured for 4-5 games as well. I think he worth a shout imo, he should get picked up by lower prem team this year too, or high end championship
On May 16 2012 21:58 Pandemona wrote: More light on the subject.
Foster (WBA) Keeper is not chosen due to turning down Hodgson's plea to come out of retirement to go with the squad
Parker (Totenham) Is said to be 90% certain to miss out on the entire tournament with his injury he has got/picked up end of the season. So it looks like Gerrard and Hart are battling it out to be England captain (as JT can't due to this court case over his head)
Henderson (Liverpool) is set to replace Parker if indeed Parker cannont make the Euro trip.
England vs Norway - May 26th England vs Belgium - June 2nd Are England's only 2 games before the tournament begins in Ukraine, will be interesting to see what Hodgson can do with such little time.
On May 16 2012 22:02 GTR wrote: Disappointed to see Grant Holt not included on the list, he had a pretty good PL season, 2nd Englishman behind Rooney for goals this season.
Im more dissapointed that youngster from Celtic didn't get a look in. Hooper, scored 5 goals last game of the season and 29 in total. Looks a decent shot, and he is a proud Englishman. I would of had him atleast on back up list
scottish football is shit, sorry. Who was top scorer the other season Boyd? he joined a championship side and couldnt deliver.. always been the case!!! Scoring goals in scottish football is equilvant probably to scoringn in championship..
Jelavic......was better than RVP on goals per game ratio ^_^ came from Scottish league doing the same thing he doing there that is here now. Hooper was 23 goals for side in League one, went to Celtic first season 29 goals injured for 4-5 games as well. I think he worth a shout imo, he should get picked up by lower prem team this year too, or high end championship
Chris Sutton also turned into a goal machine in Scotland means nothing. Jelavic if he does the same again next season then ill be impressed! but overall players never make the step up, and its nice you mentiona foreign player! As slightly different to a british player, if an British player moves to scotland its because hes after the money.
Yes i know the SPL is a farce of a league, i know that. But theres a goal scorer and then theres a goal scorer!! Jelavic looked ordinarly average in the rangers and SPL team, when he came to Everton he looked brilliant, pretty sure this Hooper can do the same. He was playing League 1 football (division 3) and was offered a contract by an SPL club playing in champions league, anyone with a brain would of took that. Now after his first season he scored 29 goals won the golden boot in the SPL and looks good and is English. I just think before you waste caps on players over 28/29 who havent got much years left internationally due to travelling and only 5-6 games a year there is no reason why you cant bring in young hungary 23 year olds who are hungary and keen, and also lets be honest no one since micheal owen has scored regularly as an England striker!
Cannot believe Richards and Adam Johnson aren't going, or that Downing, Carroll and Glen Johnson are. Hell, over the year Holt has been much better than Carroll, but he's not at one of the teams we choose from so there's never any chance in him going.
Cannot believe Richards and Adam Johnson aren't going, or that Downing, Carroll and Glen Johnson are. Hell, over the year Holt has been much better than Carroll, but he's not at one of the teams we choose from so there's never any chance in him going.
At least we can set our expectations low! We will be lucky to win a game this time.. if we somehow get out the group stage then its a success imo
Spain without Puyol (injured). Im not very confident in the Spain Defence... Despite his age, Puyol has a security and dedication that nobody more in Spain has..
Cannot believe Richards and Adam Johnson aren't going, or that Downing, Carroll and Glen Johnson are. Hell, over the year Holt has been much better than Carroll, but he's not at one of the teams we choose from so there's never any chance in him going.
At least we can set our expectations low! We will be lucky to win a game this time.. if we somehow get out the group stage then its a success imo
Lol no we will finish 2nd in our group pretty comfertably, even if they play shit we will finish 2nd. Ukraine and Sweden winable games for England, we beat Sweden with a weaken team for the first time at wembley beginging of the year? So im confident we can beat them, especially considering Hodgson knows everything about Swedish football anyway. Then Ukraine game will be trickier due to them being at home but i fancy us to knick that 1 or 2-0 specially with it being Rooney's first game. France is the tricky one as we haven't beaten them since 1980s Euro was it i think, and in Euro 2000 we took the lead with a youngish solid team through Lampard but for Zidane to pop up and score a freekick and a penalty (whilst vommiting) so i expect us to get out of our group which is the minimun you would expect, then for where we go from there is straight home if we finish second. As Group D play Group C in knock out rounds.
Group C 1st Spain 2nd Italy (you would think unless Ireland or Croatia pull off crazy upsets) So England lose to France and finish 2nd they set up a game vs Spain in the last 8, they beat France they set up a game with Italy...I know which team id rather face! Be interesting if Spain would be a bit cautious of playing England after the Barca vs Chelsea match! Specially because im sure Hodgson would set them out to play pretty much the same vs them!
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We will be lucky to win a game this time.. if we somehow get out the group stage then its a success imo
