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[TSL4] Ro16 Monday Preview

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[TSL4] Ro16 Monday Preview

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August 11th, 2012 03:47 GMT
  • kas vs life
  • curious vs squirtle
  • vortex vs keen
  • major vs jonnyrecco
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empirekas vs st_life


ua (T)EmpireKas < Antiga Shipyard > kr (Z)ST_Life
ua (T)EmpireKas < Daybreak > kr (Z)ST_Life
ua (T)EmpireKas < Metropolis > kr (Z)ST_Life
ua (T)EmpireKas < Ohana > kr (Z)ST_Life
ua (T)EmpireKas < Cloud Kingdom > kr (Z)ST_Life


Two of the most contrasting players in the entire TSL, Kas and Life come into this match each bringing their own unique methods of success.

Kas is the veteran, the hardened warrior who has fought countless battles in online tournaments and on the ladder with his simple and effective Terran play. In 2012, Kas has had his usual success online, but he doesn't have the big international LAN results to give him the same kind of recognition as the biggest stars in the scene. Aside from stacking up his standard list of $200 online cups, Kas also did take the gold in the Ritmix RSL – a stacked tournament that went largely uncovered in the English-speaking scene.

Kas has pretty much done what everyone expects of him, playing at a consistently high level but lacking the breakout performance that will puts him on the list of “players we really want to see challenge Koreans”. His performance last week against fraer did nothing really to change that, with a quick 3-0 being just another in a string of solid victories. His games were almost exactly what you’d expect too, with his great experience shining both in holding off aggressive play and taking the W in macro games as well.

Life, on the other hand, is the super-young Korean phenom who burst onto the scene with some terrifying performances in GSTL for ZeNEX before they were absorbed into StarTale. He’s been around a little bit longer than that, but before 2012, he was mostly only mentioned in the context of “oh, do you mean Line? That guy's pretty solid!” He's actually similar to his teammate Line (aka Suhosin) in having a very unpredictable play style that doesn't shy away from completely random all-ins, but he also has a very solid macro game. Life has shown he can hang with Code S level competition, but he doesn't have a large enough body of work for him to be considered among the elite of Korean Zergs. His games against elfi only served to reinforce his current reputation, as he barely ecked out a victory over the foreigner in a dangerously close series of strange games after falling behind early.

One common thread the two share is their reputation for being absolute terrors online. TSL4 is precisely the environment the two players can thrive in, and they're sure to bring their best. Almost anything could happen in this match, and Life’s wild unpredictability could prove to be too much for Kas, or Kas could show his expertise in calming the chaos. To be honest, in this match, the biggest challenge for Life is himself – will he continue to throw games away with risky play, or will he be able to dominate a foreigner with mechanics in true Korean style?

st_curious vs st_squirtle


kr (Z)ST_Curious < Entombed Valley > kr (P)ST_Squirtle
kr (Z)ST_Curious < Ohana > kr (P)ST_Squirtle
kr (Z)ST_Curious < Antiga Shipyard > kr (P)ST_Squirtle
kr (Z)ST_Curious < Metropolis > kr (P)ST_Squirtle
kr (Z)ST_Curious < Entombed > kr (P)ST_Squirtle


This Ro16 match might be one of the highest level matches in the entire tournament. Sure, we had SaSe vs CoCa and Ret vs Squirtle in the previous round, but I don't think we'd be insulting anyone to say that Curious vs Squirtle is on another plane.

In case you're wondering, Curious is now #3 on TLPD Korean Elo rankings, while Squirtle is #4. That makes Curious the #1 Zerg at present, and Squirtle is second to only GSL champion Seed among his Protoss brethren. Curious has been in five straight Code S tournaments, while Squirtle is a former runner-up. Presently, they're both cruising along in WCS Korea Nationals, looking to represent their country in the Asian continentals.

There's really nothing to criticize about Squirtle, but you could kind of knock on Curious for being unable to bring his best when he's playing in Code S. However, this is TSL4, a tournament that's held online until the finals, and it's precisely the environment where players with live game jinxes can show what they can really do.

The best word to describe these two Startale racial aces is 'textbook.' There's nothing about the strategies they use that's out of the ordinary, but their ridiculously high level execution makes what they do very special indeed. A great example is Squirtle's WCS match against BBoongBBoongPrime (albeit, an outmatched opponent), where he turned the two base immortal timing into a work of art, cycling three immortals through one warp-prism, making sure they truly lived up to their names. In a larger scale example, Curious playing turtle-hive is like a demonstration in pure theorycraft, something you'd be tempted to use as proof that Zerg should always win late-game ZvP with perfect play.

Since this is a Startale team-kill, you can't look past the possibility that this series could take a weird turn. These two have honed their PvZ skills to this point by playing against each other, but there's an unusual twist in that they both had to play this very same match-up in the past week's WCS Korea Nationals. Neither player mentioned practicing with the other for their WCS games, suggesting they had somethings they wanted to hide for their TSL4 meeting. Against other players you'd could almost be sure of a great demonstration of textbook play, but given their familiarity with each other, we might see a duel of mind game one-upsmanship instead.

k3.vortix vs mvp_keen


es (Z)K3.VortiX < Metropolis > kr (T)MVP.Keen
es (Z)K3.VortiX < Ohana > kr (T)MVP.Keen
es (Z)K3.VortiX < Entombed Valley > kr (T)MVP.Keen
es (Z)K3.VortiX < Daybreak > kr (T)MVP.Keen
es (Z)K3.VortiX < Antiga Shipyard > kr (T)MVP.Keen


With KeeN scoffing at foreigners in his Ro32 victory interview and VortiX showing plenty of promise and success in recent times, this matchup is #1 on our upset watch in the Ro16.

VortiX showed plenty of confidence in his ZvT in the post-game interview after a solid victory over BabyKnight and is no stranger to taking down high level Terrans, with recent victories over SeleCT, Beastyqt, Kas, and Happy. His opening and style in ZvT varies a bit, with both multiple queen builds and early Zergling speed in his repertoire, yet favoring the slightly older mutalisk-baneling centered midgame. VortiX has shown success both in handling aggressive play and in long macro games, sprinkling in his own aggression from time to time. In the foreign scene, VortiX is pretty much a full package Zerg that has been steadily on the rise, but he is still untested against Koreans due to limited participation in larger tournaments.

KeeN brings confidence and solid aggressive Terran play to the table. Falling to NaNiwa and Stephano in his previous DreamHack appearance, and to BabyKnight and LoweLy in the recent FXO Invitational, KeeN may have misplaced his confidence against foreign players a bit, but he did look good in his 3 - 0 victory over Welmu in the Ro32. Aside from his international escapades, Keen is making his way back into Code S contention, although he will have to pass through next month's Up/Down matches to turly prove his worth. Right now, it's hard to say he's on the level of top Terrans in the world, like Byun, GuMiho, MKP and others, which makes VortiX a potentially dangerous opponent. Keen will certainly have confidence going into this match, but we will have to wait to see if it ends up being overconfidence.

Both players can play a wide variety of builds that make them unpredictable players, and we’ll likely see a wide variety of TvZ games in this series. Both players are likely to have to test their macro play against some kind of all-in, unless they happen to choose the same game map on which to execute such a strategy (in which case, there should be some entertaining chaos).

Beyond the obvious implications going forth in TSL4, this match is also one of much interest for fans in the international scene. VortiX has been touted as one of the best 'unknown' players for a while now, and Keen will provide a valuable litmus test for his ZvT ability. In recent times we’ve seen top class Terrans begin to fight through their TvZ woes, but KeeN could yet struggle against an opponent he underestimates. Any result is possible, but VortiX has the best chance of an upset this round.

rootmajor vs d.jonnyrecco


mx (T)ROOTMajOr < Ohana > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
mx (T)ROOTMajOr < Entombed Valley > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
mx (T)ROOTMajOr < Daybreak > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
mx (T)ROOTMajOr < Metropolis > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco
mx (T)ROOTMajOr < Ohana > uk (Z)d.JonnyREcco


This is the TSL4 'insurance match,' as we like to call it. With foreigner vs Korean, or Korean vs Korean duels in all seven other Ro16 matches, there would have been a possibility of an all-Korean quarter-final without this one foreigner vs foreigner battle. Not that we have anything against an all-Korean quarter-final if it means that those eight were the best players in the tournament, but after TSL3, we can't deny that it was tremendous fun following the story of foreigner hope.

MajOr and JonnyREcco aren't the most famous or most established players in the international scene, but as we should all know from TSL's past, fame is no adequate measure of skill. In true TSL fashion, they pulled off a pair of stunning upsets in the Ro32, with MajOr defeating TSL's Hyun while JonnyREcco defeated TSL3 loser runner-up NaNiwa. After the TSL Ro32, MajOr went on to win WCS Mexico without dropping a single map, while JonnyREcco went to ASUS ROG and played a tight series with Millenium's fOrGG before suffering a 2 – 3 loss (he was later eliminated by MaNa). After being on the periphery of the international scene just a few months ago, suddenly these two players are demanding your attention.

Both players prefer to play the ZvT match-up, and from their recent series against strong Korean players fOrGG and Hyun, their confidence is well placed. MajOr's mech and hellion play was particularly impressive against Hyun, with the dogged hunting of drones being key to his victories. On the other hand JonnyREcco looked like another solid player of standard ZvT in his loss against fOrGG, although given that limited sample of games and the large number of skilled ZvT players in the international scene, it's hard to say he's a true stand-out player yet. Let it suffice to say that 2 – 3 against fOrGG at a serious live tournament was an impressive haul for a newcomer to the scene, and with a few repeat performances he might start to earn comparisons to players like Ret or Nerchio.

TSL has been a tournament where players have had break-out performances, and these are two players who could use that kind of opportunity more than anyone. The stacked Korean field means that it will be harder than ever for a foreigner to make an impact, but the potential reward is that much higher. If MajOr and JonnyREcco truly understand what's at stake and can push their games to another level, we could have a classic match on our hands.





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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 11 2012 03:53 GMT
#2
life squirtle vortix major gogo!! :D
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
DaPhoToss
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada14 Posts
August 11 2012 03:57 GMT
#3
Kas 3-2
Squirtle 3-2
Vortix 3-2
Major 3-1
Follow @BasedNemo69
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37015 Posts
August 11 2012 03:59 GMT
#4
On August 11 2012 12:53 opterown wrote:
life squirtle vortix major gogo!! :D

You're rooting against Commander KeeN?
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Seoirse
Profile Joined February 2012
34 Posts
August 11 2012 04:02 GMT
#5
Why don't you predict the scores?
Idra come back..
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 11 2012 04:24 GMT
#6
On August 11 2012 12:59 SeeKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 12:53 opterown wrote:
life squirtle vortix major gogo!! :D

You're rooting against Commander KeeN?

yup
ModeratorRetired LR Bonjwa
TL+ Member
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
August 11 2012 04:48 GMT
#7
No score predictions and still no interviews from half the Ro32 winners =(
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
August 11 2012 04:52 GMT
#8
Life
Curious
Vortix
Major
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 11 2012 04:53 GMT
#9
life, squirtle, keen, major is my prediction
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Archile
Profile Joined June 2011
United States403 Posts
August 11 2012 05:14 GMT
#10
this took a little too long to notice, but KeeN vs MajOr if all goes well T_T

for now though, the commander and the princess will battle on
Just a bad player trying to be a little less bad
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 05:31:34
August 11 2012 05:30 GMT
#11
Life
Squirtle
Keen ( but expecting an upset )
Major ( would not be surprised if Recco won tho )

" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
redloser
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)1721 Posts
August 11 2012 05:43 GMT
#12
I hope Curious advances, but I think Squirtle's gonna take it...
InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
August 11 2012 05:47 GMT
#13
im bored of reading "kas needs more lan results"
really, he attends a few lans and the ones he does he gets placed pretty high ...
"Echoes of past events nudge the tiller on my present course, I await its reflection in the future"
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
August 11 2012 05:47 GMT
#14
Life 3-1 Kas
Curious 3-2 Squirtle
Keen 3-1 Vortix
Major 3-0 Recco
Play your best
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
August 11 2012 05:50 GMT
#15
Whoever wins between Squirtle and Curious could probably take the entire TSL4. That is unless Taeja is playing against them.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Kruver
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico14 Posts
August 11 2012 05:50 GMT
#16
Major 3-recco 2 ( would not be surprised if Recco won tho )
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 11 2012 05:54 GMT
#17
Life is not really known for the best mechanincs ...
On the other hand Kas is. It may be save but if Kas is going to survive early game he will pull Life apart in the later game.
Kpaxlol
Profile Joined April 2010
813 Posts
August 11 2012 07:57 GMT
#18
Curious vs Squirtle is gonna be nice

<3 bw
SKiller
Profile Joined November 2011
Poland39 Posts
August 11 2012 08:14 GMT
#19
Life
Curious
Vortix
Major
"More GG, more skill" White Ra
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 11 2012 08:29 GMT
#20
On August 11 2012 14:54 Lysanias wrote:
Life is not really known for the best mechanincs ...
On the other hand Kas is. It may be save but if Kas is going to survive early game he will pull Life apart in the later game.


life can play great macro games as well... he just chooses to randomly all in constantly for no reason
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
0dem
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany129 Posts
August 11 2012 08:54 GMT
#21
Psyched! Life, Squirtle, Vortix, Recco ftw!! Hmm a lot of Zergs though -.-
On a different note: the interviews for day3 and 4 wont be there, am I right?
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
August 11 2012 09:42 GMT
#22
kas 1 - 3 life
curious 2 - 3 squirtle
vortix 1 - 3 keen
major 3 - 2 jonnyrecco
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
August 11 2012 09:50 GMT
#23
I sure hope Kas wins 3-0 as the map order favor's Macro the first 3 games. It would surely be entertaining!
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
MentalGNT
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1264 Posts
August 11 2012 09:53 GMT
#24
TSL3 made me a big Kas fan. I'm looking forward to his games tonight
What a player
MarineQ
Profile Joined August 2012
Taiwan1 Post
August 11 2012 11:37 GMT
#25
no taeja
12121
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
August 11 2012 11:51 GMT
#26
On August 11 2012 18:53 MentalGNT wrote:
TSL3 made me a big Kas fan. I'm looking forward to his games tonight


Same here, no bullshit, just marines and tanks. :D
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Maken
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden93 Posts
August 11 2012 12:44 GMT
#27
My predictions:

Kas 3-1 Life
Squirtle 3-0 Curious
Keen 3-0 Vortix
Major 3-2 JohnnyRecco
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
August 11 2012 12:52 GMT
#28
so many TvZ!

i'm crying, but it's tears of joy, it's gonna be amazing!!
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Pitrocelli
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovakia127 Posts
August 11 2012 13:18 GMT
#29
Life 3 - 1 Kas
Squirtle 3 - 1 Curious
Keen 3 - 0 Vortix
Major 3 - 0 Reco
4ZakeN87
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1071 Posts
August 11 2012 13:22 GMT
#30
On August 11 2012 18:42 Yaki wrote:
kas 1 - 3 life
curious 2 - 3 squirtle
vortix 1 - 3 keen
major 3 - 2 jonnyrecco


Yeah, close to what I would bet. I go Vortix 2 - 3 Keen.

I really hope Vortix take it though.
"Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler" Einstein
LowEloPlayer
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States205 Posts
August 11 2012 14:06 GMT
#31
Curious 3-2 Squirtle
Life 3-1 Kas
MajOr 3-2 JRec
Keen 3-2 VortiX
hmm... let's think about it
CaptainBadger
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4 Posts
August 11 2012 14:14 GMT
#32
Squirtle 3-2 Curious
Kas 3-2 Life
Vortix 3-2 Keen
dJREcco 3-2 Major

Gogo epic 5-game matches!
Balinek
Profile Joined February 2012
Poland15 Posts
August 11 2012 14:42 GMT
#33
Squirtle, Kas, Vortix and JRecco ! 3:1 all games, unfortunately
LawnMower
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden557 Posts
August 11 2012 14:48 GMT
#34
Kas 1-3 Life
Curious 2-3 Squirtle
VortiX 0-3 Keen
MajOr 3-1 JonnyREcco

Rooting on Kas though.
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
August 11 2012 14:50 GMT
#35
On August 11 2012 14:54 Lysanias wrote:
Life is not really known for the best mechanincs ...
On the other hand Kas is. It may be save but if Kas is going to survive early game he will pull Life apart in the later game.


Life has top 5 mechanics among Korean zergs.
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Ballack
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway821 Posts
August 11 2012 14:51 GMT
#36
Who's casting tonight?
Just when I thought I was out, Blizz pulled me back in..
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
August 11 2012 15:23 GMT
#37
Kas, Squirtle, Keen, MajOr.

Simple as that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
┬─┬___(ツ)_/¯ 彡┻━┻ I am the 4%. "I cant believe i saw ANAL backwards before i saw the word LAN." - Capped
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 15:26:33
August 11 2012 15:24 GMT
#38
On August 11 2012 13:24 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 12:59 SeeKeR wrote:
On August 11 2012 12:53 opterown wrote:
life squirtle vortix major gogo!! :D

You're rooting against Commander KeeN?

yup



Rooting for Kas and Keen, I don't really care who wins out of the other 2 as long as there are some good games.

Predicting:

Kas 3 - 2 Life
Curious 3 - 1 Squirtle
Keen 3 - 1 Vortix
Major 3 - 0 Recco
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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
August 11 2012 15:35 GMT
#39
Life, Squirtle, VortiX, Major.

On the off chance that Kas somehow wins, I'd be even happier.
The Final Boss
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1839 Posts
August 11 2012 15:46 GMT
#40
Life 3-1
Squirtle 3-2
KeeN 3-0
JonnyREcco 3-2
tschecko
Profile Joined August 2012
Andorra39 Posts
August 11 2012 16:12 GMT
#41

Life 2-3 Kas
Curious 1-3 Squirtle
Keen 0-3 Vortix
Major 3-2 Recco
NOO
Noak
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden84 Posts
August 11 2012 16:35 GMT
#42
Kas/squirtle vs Major in the finals, calling it right now
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
August 11 2012 16:50 GMT
#43
Now Recco has been figured out I'm gonna have to give that one to Major. I hope he wins it.
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Trasko
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden983 Posts
August 11 2012 17:45 GMT
#44
Go Squrirtle!
Jaedong <3
testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
August 11 2012 17:55 GMT
#45
Whoa, just looked at the brackets: all swedes out! Didn't see that one coming...

About the matches upcoming I hope Kas, Squirtle, Vortix and Major get throu. Especially Keen deserves some humiliation.
War is not about who is right, but who is left.
magicallypuzzled
Profile Joined June 2011
United States588 Posts
August 11 2012 20:29 GMT
#46
rooting for Vortix and Major and i guess Curious

other then that i don't care to much who wins and i am only rooting for Vortix becuase keen was supposedly dismissive of foriegners didn't actually see the interview.
is depressed
CaF-Lunar
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany126 Posts
August 11 2012 20:50 GMT
#47
O.o tsl starts in 4 hours? i thought it´s earlier
Kudlak
Profile Joined June 2011
Czech Republic12 Posts
August 11 2012 20:51 GMT
#48
yeah wtf it was supposed to be in cca 20 minut ?????
tschecko
Profile Joined August 2012
Andorra39 Posts
August 11 2012 20:52 GMT
#49
its postponing should have started 1 hr ago already
NOO
Imagine42
Profile Joined July 2012
United States73 Posts
August 11 2012 21:00 GMT
#50
Wtf, seriously delaying the games until the IPL is over?

That's just lame D:
DemiAlbedo
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada69 Posts
August 11 2012 21:01 GMT
#51
Oh man delayed for 4 hours, harsh. I keep refreshing the page and seeing that timer go higher and higher
Tatuunka
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany8 Posts
August 11 2012 21:02 GMT
#52
wtf is that , i just waited toe fuckin countdown twice and now it says in 3 hours ? ?????!?!?!?
man its in the middle of the night then.... not funny dudes
Kudlak
Profile Joined June 2011
Czech Republic12 Posts
August 11 2012 21:02 GMT
#53
ohh great whole night fucked up :/ well tet see vod later in normal time :-(
sc_hell
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany20 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 21:05:04
August 11 2012 21:02 GMT
#54
lol sad, so i can't watch it today. I wont stay awake till 3AM just to see some games.
Darthmatto
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom22 Posts
August 11 2012 21:03 GMT
#55
Nice one Liquid. Now its at 2am UK time. Fuck you.
-And you are...?
ropumar
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil111 Posts
August 11 2012 21:03 GMT
#56
Can't believe they postpone the games because of IPL.

IPL is being awfull today. It took ages for few game to play. lots of downtime, sound and display issues.

TSL4 shouldn't have been postponed.
Walruslisk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States36 Posts
August 11 2012 21:03 GMT
#57
i agree ^
yo dawg, i heard u like quotes
Kudlak
Profile Joined June 2011
Czech Republic12 Posts
August 11 2012 21:05 GMT
#58
yeah same here 3AM no thx :-(
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
August 11 2012 21:05 GMT
#59
I certainly don't mind, since I'm following IPL and watching Taeja is just pure porn, and I also have the circadian rhythm of a cat on cocaine. But I can understand a lot of Europeans being upset :/
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
Tatuunka
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany8 Posts
August 11 2012 21:06 GMT
#60
in addition, i think its not new to tl that ipl is today isnt it ? why delay it then ...
or why dont announce it instantly that thwere will be such a huge delay....1 hour late, new timer, 1 hour late new timer ...
Vaftrudner
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden1185 Posts
August 11 2012 21:07 GMT
#61
On August 12 2012 06:06 Tatuunka wrote:
in addition, i think its not new to tl that ipl is today isnt it ? why delay it then ...
or why dont announce it instantly that thwere will be such a huge delay....1 hour late, new timer, 1 hour late new timer ...

I guess they were just waiting to see if there was going to be another Bo9, and it was only just decided. Kinda sucks, but understandable.
"Starcraft 2 was designed to have a best race. You play the worst one." - Day9
Zoldiark
Profile Joined July 2011
16 Posts
August 11 2012 21:09 GMT
#62
very disappointing that TSL is postponed so us Europeans get screwed had setup my day so as to get all the work i needed to do done and would have several hours free to sit and watch TSL but now TSL is gonna be starting when it should have finished......very poor planning. Its not as if IPL was a spur of the moment tournament!
Tatuunka
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany8 Posts
August 11 2012 21:10 GMT
#63
but ipl is only commercials and wait time with a little bit starcraft 2 in it :-(
Veriol
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic502 Posts
August 11 2012 21:11 GMT
#64
On August 12 2012 06:07 Vaftrudner wrote:
Kinda sucks, but understandable.

No its not. There is(was) barcraft for this and they postpone it for several hours just like that.


Good fucking job .. next time think before you make such stupid decision.
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." -iloveoov
Datz2Ez
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada76 Posts
August 11 2012 21:11 GMT
#65
Cmon TL it's IPL fault dont take it on u
Action is the real measure of intelligence.
Kudlak
Profile Joined June 2011
Czech Republic12 Posts
August 11 2012 21:11 GMT
#66
yeah that is problem for me that they don't say something sooner :/
Kudlak
Profile Joined June 2011
Czech Republic12 Posts
August 11 2012 21:12 GMT
#67
lol i forget there was barcaft in prague ?? :-)
Fik-cz
Profile Joined August 2010
Czech Republic43 Posts
August 11 2012 21:18 GMT
#68
On August 12 2012 06:11 Veriol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 06:07 Vaftrudner wrote:
Kinda sucks, but understandable.

No its not. There is(was) barcraft for this and they postpone it for several hours just like that.


Good fucking job .. next time think before you make such stupid decision.


Agree, i was thinking about going to Prague, just to watch it with other Starcraft nerds. Now i am glad i didnt, coz its 1 hour for me to travel there and 1 back. But still I feel for those who went there ....

Wish for better next time i guess ....
Treeroot
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland1 Post
August 11 2012 21:20 GMT
#69
lol
20h 41m TSL4 Ro16 Day 2
1d 19h TSL4 Ro16 Day 1
Tatuunka
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany8 Posts
August 11 2012 21:21 GMT
#70
any official statements ? lolz
CaF-Lunar
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany126 Posts
August 11 2012 21:24 GMT
#71
they should at least release the replays if we have to wait another year for the cast
Kudlak
Profile Joined June 2011
Czech Republic12 Posts
August 11 2012 21:27 GMT
#72
joke ...sad joke...
AxiR
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany944 Posts
August 11 2012 21:29 GMT
#73
Its kinda funny that TL scheduled the brodcast expeting IM to win the first best-of-9 lol
DemiAlbedo
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada69 Posts
August 11 2012 21:29 GMT
#74
omg been waiting to watch this tournament all day and now it is cancelled and scheduled to be play in 20 hours. . . boooo.
Artisane
Profile Joined April 2011
United States134 Posts
August 11 2012 21:35 GMT
#75
On August 12 2012 06:29 AxiR wrote:
Its kinda funny that TL scheduled the brodcast expeting IM to win the first best-of-9 lol

Wouldn't have been a problem if IPL didn't have more downtime and commercials than gametime.
ropumar
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil111 Posts
August 11 2012 21:38 GMT
#76
sick joke. all because of IPL
Rivas060
Profile Joined June 2012
Mexico2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 21:43:14
August 11 2012 21:40 GMT
#77
Looks like it's gonna be until monday 7PM cest time
sc_hell
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany20 Posts
August 11 2012 21:40 GMT
#78
On August 12 2012 06:20 Treeroot wrote:
lol
20h 41m TSL4 Ro16 Day 2
1d 19h TSL4 Ro16 Day 1


TL can travel in Time.
BesideHimself
Profile Joined November 2010
United States30 Posts
August 11 2012 21:42 GMT
#79
I love how people are blaming IPL for this.

Its TL's decision to make delays without warning or explicit reasoning. TL's decision to reschedule.

I understand their reasoning, their team is on the BIG stage and that doesn't happen very often, but people get very excited about these things and some have planned their days around TSL4.
“The purpose of life is to hydrogenate carbon dioxide."
Veriol
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic502 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 21:46:59
August 11 2012 21:46 GMT
#80
On August 12 2012 06:42 BesideHimself wrote:
I love how people are blaming IPL for this.

Its TL's decision to make delays without warning or explicit reasoning. TL's decision to reschedule.

I understand their reasoning, their team is on the BIG stage and that doesn't happen very often, but people get very excited about these things and some have planned their days around TSL4.


Nobody is blaming IPL.. Its completely ok to reschedule but at least say it before hand and dont postpone hour after hour
"When you play, you have to start off with a mind to turn the game into a rape." -iloveoov
Winterfrozz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden357 Posts
August 11 2012 22:07 GMT
#81
Oh, now TSLRO16 will be on monday? That's great, thanks for that!!!......................
................
:......shit
Jazzi!
Datz2Ez
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada76 Posts
August 11 2012 22:09 GMT
#82
are they aware that some pple are... working ?!
Action is the real measure of intelligence.
tschecko
Profile Joined August 2012
Andorra39 Posts
August 11 2012 22:12 GMT
#83
is there sth. wrong with the replay files? corrupted or so?
NOO
otgomni
Profile Joined March 2012
United States33 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 22:53:35
August 11 2012 22:16 GMT
#84
Nah, nothing wrong with the replay files. Event planners decided to postpone the event for Monday for-some-reason-they-don't-feel-like-stating.
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
August 11 2012 22:17 GMT
#85
Atleast make a statement as to why.
SKDN
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden243 Posts
August 11 2012 22:50 GMT
#86
I think its because of IPL
Fleshcut
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany592 Posts
August 11 2012 23:02 GMT
#87
I had a little TSL4 party with my best friend, snacks and stuff and suddenly it got delayed by hours, so we nearly fell asleep (europeans here... TSL was about to start around 3 am for us until it got cancelled) and finally dismissed our fun evening to go sleeping. ~.~" Kinda disappointed by TSL organisation.
BesideHimself
Profile Joined November 2010
United States30 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-11 23:33:26
August 11 2012 23:31 GMT
#88
On August 12 2012 06:38 ropumar wrote:
sick joke. all because of IPL


On August 12 2012 06:35 Artisane wrote:
Wouldn't have been a problem if IPL didn't have more downtime and commercials than gametime.


On August 12 2012 06:46 Veriol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 06:42 BesideHimself wrote:
I love how people are blaming IPL for this.

Its TL's decision to make delays without warning or explicit reasoning. TL's decision to reschedule.

I understand their reasoning, their team is on the BIG stage and that doesn't happen very often, but people get very excited about these things and some have planned their days around TSL4.


Nobody is blaming IPL.. Its completely ok to reschedule but at least say it before hand and dont postpone hour after hour


I beg to differ...

Anyway, I'm so ready for TSL4 tomorrow!
“The purpose of life is to hydrogenate carbon dioxide."
ReboundEU
Profile Joined September 2010
508 Posts
August 11 2012 23:42 GMT
#89
DAT delay :o
U MAD BRO?
Daniel C
Profile Joined October 2010
Hong Kong1606 Posts
August 12 2012 03:36 GMT
#90
Where are the TSL ro32 day3/4 interviews? I looked but couldnt' find them ><
In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they are not.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 12 2012 03:44 GMT
#91
This is great news for me, I'm free on Monday and had work today so now I get to watch :D
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 12 2012 08:42 GMT
#92
On August 11 2012 23:50 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 14:54 Lysanias wrote:
Life is not really known for the best mechanincs ...
On the other hand Kas is. It may be save but if Kas is going to survive early game he will pull Life apart in the later game.


Life has top 5 mechanics among Korean zergs.


You must have seen alot more of his games then i have, to me he just comes over as a gimmicky player with strange builds and early aggression. But i will look forward to it tonight then and see if i can agree with that bold statement.
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
August 12 2012 09:45 GMT
#93
all 3-2 here if you ask me
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
August 12 2012 10:06 GMT
#94
dat transparency in the decisions...
Zest fanboy.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
August 12 2012 10:18 GMT
#95
kas 3-1
squirtle 3-1
keen 3-2
recco 3-1
MY LIFE STARTS NOW ♥
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 12 2012 10:35 GMT
#96
On August 12 2012 17:42 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 11 2012 23:50 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:54 Lysanias wrote:
Life is not really known for the best mechanincs ...
On the other hand Kas is. It may be save but if Kas is going to survive early game he will pull Life apart in the later game.


Life has top 5 mechanics among Korean zergs.


You must have seen alot more of his games then i have, to me he just comes over as a gimmicky player with strange builds and early aggression. But i will look forward to it tonight then and see if i can agree with that bold statement.


u sure ur not mixing up life and line?? lol, recently life has been playing like line however if you have seen most of his previos games, he wins lots of them straight up.
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 12 2012 11:40 GMT
#97
On August 12 2012 19:35 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 17:42 Lysanias wrote:
On August 11 2012 23:50 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:54 Lysanias wrote:
Life is not really known for the best mechanincs ...
On the other hand Kas is. It may be save but if Kas is going to survive early game he will pull Life apart in the later game.


Life has top 5 mechanics among Korean zergs.


You must have seen alot more of his games then i have, to me he just comes over as a gimmicky player with strange builds and early aggression. But i will look forward to it tonight then and see if i can agree with that bold statement.


u sure ur not mixing up life and line?? lol, recently life has been playing like line however if you have seen most of his previos games, he wins lots of them straight up.



Euh ... i might have, though the GSL code S matches i know was Life, i might have mixed the other games before that in my mind that were rather gimmicky and could be very well be Line.
My apologies.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
August 12 2012 11:51 GMT
#98
On August 12 2012 20:40 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 19:35 X3GoldDot wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:42 Lysanias wrote:
On August 11 2012 23:50 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:54 Lysanias wrote:
Life is not really known for the best mechanincs ...
On the other hand Kas is. It may be save but if Kas is going to survive early game he will pull Life apart in the later game.


Life has top 5 mechanics among Korean zergs.


You must have seen alot more of his games then i have, to me he just comes over as a gimmicky player with strange builds and early aggression. But i will look forward to it tonight then and see if i can agree with that bold statement.


u sure ur not mixing up life and line?? lol, recently life has been playing like line however if you have seen most of his previos games, he wins lots of them straight up.



Euh ... i might have, though the GSL code S matches i know was Life, i might have mixed the other games before that in my mind that were rather gimmicky and could be very well be Line.
My apologies.

life hasn't been in code S haha; that was line
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TL+ Member
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 12 2012 14:19 GMT
#99
On August 12 2012 20:51 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 20:40 Lysanias wrote:
On August 12 2012 19:35 X3GoldDot wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:42 Lysanias wrote:
On August 11 2012 23:50 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:54 Lysanias wrote:
Life is not really known for the best mechanincs ...
On the other hand Kas is. It may be save but if Kas is going to survive early game he will pull Life apart in the later game.


Life has top 5 mechanics among Korean zergs.


You must have seen alot more of his games then i have, to me he just comes over as a gimmicky player with strange builds and early aggression. But i will look forward to it tonight then and see if i can agree with that bold statement.


u sure ur not mixing up life and line?? lol, recently life has been playing like line however if you have seen most of his previos games, he wins lots of them straight up.



Euh ... i might have, though the GSL code S matches i know was Life, i might have mixed the other games before that in my mind that were rather gimmicky and could be very well be Line.
My apologies.

life hasn't been in code S haha; that was line


lol i give up, i'll just watch pfff one of those 2 get another name !
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
August 12 2012 16:07 GMT
#100
On August 12 2012 23:19 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2012 20:51 opterown wrote:
On August 12 2012 20:40 Lysanias wrote:
On August 12 2012 19:35 X3GoldDot wrote:
On August 12 2012 17:42 Lysanias wrote:
On August 11 2012 23:50 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On August 11 2012 14:54 Lysanias wrote:
Life is not really known for the best mechanincs ...
On the other hand Kas is. It may be save but if Kas is going to survive early game he will pull Life apart in the later game.


Life has top 5 mechanics among Korean zergs.


You must have seen alot more of his games then i have, to me he just comes over as a gimmicky player with strange builds and early aggression. But i will look forward to it tonight then and see if i can agree with that bold statement.


u sure ur not mixing up life and line?? lol, recently life has been playing like line however if you have seen most of his previos games, he wins lots of them straight up.



Euh ... i might have, though the GSL code S matches i know was Life, i might have mixed the other games before that in my mind that were rather gimmicky and could be very well be Line.
My apologies.

life hasn't been in code S haha; that was line


lol i give up, i'll just watch pfff one of those 2 get another name !


Call Line Suhosin, things get a lot easier from there.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
showBanquo
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden182 Posts
August 12 2012 22:01 GMT
#101
Squirtle fighting !
Naniwa - king of the north
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 13 2012 03:10 GMT
#102
Life Squirtle Keen and Major \o/!
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Negatiive
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada207 Posts
August 13 2012 06:03 GMT
#103
ROOT4ROOT MajOr 3-1 !! :D
ROOT4ROOT <3
dog8
Profile Joined August 2012
80 Posts
August 13 2012 12:20 GMT
#104
JonnyREcco GO GO GO
vonPluring
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden96 Posts
August 13 2012 14:59 GMT
#105
TL banner tells me this starts in 2 hours and calendar says 3 hours, anyone know which one it is?
WoodchucK
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom44 Posts
August 13 2012 16:33 GMT
#106
Life
Squirtle
Keen
JonnyREcco
Grubby | HerO | BlinG | DeMusliM | Mvp | Squirtle ////// Fnaitc | Na'Vi | Alliance | Mouz
BlueDoor
Profile Joined June 2012
Czech Republic1 Post
August 13 2012 17:58 GMT
#107
I don't see why Kas doesn't wall off up top vs Z
"Try to look unimportant; they may be low on ammo." - Infantry Journal
TooS
Profile Joined November 2002
Poland113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 18:51:50
August 13 2012 18:13 GMT
#108
Kinda sux, that at 16:30 cet clock says "3h 30 min", so I set everything at 20 cet, and when launching it at 20 it's already on and one bo5 played. Can someone PM me with Kas vs Life result ? Thx
When a man sacrifies love of power for the power of love, then will be peace on earth.
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
August 13 2012 18:53 GMT
#109
On August 14 2012 03:13 TooS wrote:
Kinda sux, that at 16:30 cet clock says "3h 30 min", so I set everything at 20 cet, and when launching it at 20 it's already on and one bo5 played. Can someone PM me with Kas vs Life result ? Thx

the result?

can't you just go to liquipedia?
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Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-13 22:25:38
August 13 2012 22:13 GMT
#110
Stream only works for those with TSL+ lame

Did Jonnyrecco win? Apparently he did.
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Negatiive
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada207 Posts
August 13 2012 22:17 GMT
#111
can't even fucking watch.. does TL not notice only 600 people are watching right now? so sad..
ROOT4ROOT <3
lortnoc
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany1 Post
August 13 2012 22:19 GMT
#112
On August 14 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:
Stream only works for those with TSL+ lame


Is that still the case?
Negatiive
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada207 Posts
August 13 2012 22:20 GMT
#113
They probably did that to not make subs angry so they dont try to get a refund, rofl.
ROOT4ROOT <3
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
August 13 2012 22:29 GMT
#114
On August 14 2012 07:19 lortnoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 07:13 Prplppleatr wrote:
Stream only works for those with TSL+ lame


Is that still the case?


Based on what I saw TL say in the chat no one but TSL+ members ended up being able to watch the last game, o well
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