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This thread is for discussing recent bans. Don't discuss other topics here. Take it to website feedback if you disagree with a ban or want to raise an issue. Keep it civil. NOTE: For those of you who want to find the actual ABL thread where the bans are posted. Please look in here: https://tl.net/forum/closed-threads/ | ||
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CaptainFwiffo
United States576 Posts
# cat /var/log/banlog Reason: Failure to heed warning in LR thread. Reason: Failure to heed warning in LR thread. Reason: Failure to heed warning in LR thread. last message repeated ∞+1 times Props to the mods for wading through 179 pages of idiots who've never set foot outside of their own colon. | ||
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Tenshik
124 Posts
On February 22 2011 03:19 TL.net Bot wrote:Starfox was just temp banned for 1 week by Empyrean. That account was created on 2010-04-02 15:27:35 and had 339 posts. Reason: Your posting history is horrid. Also, please don't be rude to people who do things for the community. I'm sure you speak terrible Korean. We're not making fun of you for that. When you come back, please improve the quality of your posting. I don't agree with this.  He had legitimately funny pictures and a lot of them. Fact is when it comes to criticism or straight up heckling respect is going to be garnered by one who can roll with and dismiss it. No one gets banned for scumbag steve memes when those are tbh criticizing one's character a lot more harshly for no reason at all. Those actually had relevancy and were funny. We have holocaust jokes in there too. But anyway, my main point is comedy shouldn't be censored, because just blanketbanning people for criticizing Kelly isn't going to do anything but create more hostility albeit quieter. I know my first thought was Oh I guess TL is whiteknighting.  No one was making fun of her for anything other than what her JOB was. The pics weren't saying she was a gaptooth hippomouth (read that one in the gom chat) or how she had no tits. It was just relevant and lighthearted jokes at her Singaporean accent. | ||
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
On February 22 2011 05:44 Tenshik wrote: I don't agree with this. He had legitimately funny pictures and a lot of them. Fact is when it comes to criticism or straight up heckling respect is going to be garnered by one who can roll with and dismiss it. No one gets banned for scumbag steve memes when those are tbh criticizing one's character a lot more harshly for no reason at all. Those actually had relevancy and were funny. We have holocaust jokes in there too. But anyway, my main point is comedy shouldn't be censored, because just blanketbanning people for criticizing Kelly isn't going to do anything but create more hostility albeit quieter. I know my first thought was Oh I guess TL is whiteknighting. No one was making fun of her for anything other than what her JOB was. The pics weren't saying she was a gaptooth hippomouth (read that one in the gom chat) or how she had no tits. It was just relevant and lighthearted jokes at her Singaporean accent.1) Scumbag steve ain't in this community. 2) He's said in interviews he enjoys the meme 3) Kelly is part of the community 4) The pictures breed a negative atmosphere for someone that's part of the community Pretty sure if everyone shat all over you in a thread and then made memes (which are looked down upon at TL anyway) of you, you'd be pretty indignant. | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On February 22 2011 05:44 Tenshik wrote: just blanketbanning people for criticizing Kelly isn't going to do anything but create more hostility albeit quieter. I know my first thought was Oh I guess TL is whiteknighting. No one was making fun of her for anything other than what her JOB was.First, this thread isn't the place to lodge a complaint about a ban. PM the mod please. Second, if you really think that we are "blanketbanning people for criticizing Kelly" then you need a reality check: what we are banning people for is deriding her in ways that are mean and unconstructive. Both content and delivery matter. So while it is ok to point out that you think she has an accent that will have an effect on her casting, it is not ok to make a post consisting entirely of crude imitations of that accent. (Analogy: while it is of course permissible to point out a post as incorrect, it's not ok to do so by writing "DURR DURR STUPID POST".) | ||
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Megaliskuu
United States5123 Posts
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
So every post / thread (d)evolves pretty fast into a shitstorm where both sides insult each other / kelly. Also everything has been said. So basically no post adds "content" to the discussion, but is basically a "+1". So atm isnt the time to do some "mildly funny/offensive" pictures (with her as a meme) - it would just lead to more bad posting. I think in ~2-3 weeks we can do some funny ones and wont get banned for it. Just ignore everything involving kelly - and you'll do fine. That's my current point of view. Maybe we can have a better discussion in 2-3 weeks - when the dust has settled. Btw - are there any statistics who has the most bans in a certain timeframe? Has Mani managed to get the "highscore" thanks to today or was something "better" in TLs history? | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
On February 22 2011 06:22 Zocat wrote: Let's face the truth - we (as a community) arent able to discuss kelly as a caster at the moment. Sure, some individuals might be able to do so, but the majority cannot or doesnt want to have a logical/mature discussion. This invovles to both sides - the "haters" and the "fanboys". So every post / thread (d)evolves pretty fast into a shitstorm where both sides insult each other / kelly. Also everything has been said. So basically no post adds "content" to the discussion, but is basically a "+1". So atm isnt the time to do some "mildly funny/offensive" pictures (with her as a meme) - it would just lead to more bad posting. I think in ~2-3 weeks we can do some funny ones and wont get banned for it. Just ignore everything involving kelly - and you'll do fine. That's my current point of view. Maybe we can have a better discussion in 2-3 weeks - when the dust has settled. Btw - are there any statistics who has the most bans in a certain timeframe? Has Mani managed to get the "highscore" thanks to today or was something "better" in TLs history? This reeks of correctness, as a community we generally see when something is wrong or right. You don't get people in the Libya protest thread getting banned for criticism Gadaffi. I realise the comparison is extreme but TL is a mature community and I think the mods went slightly overboard with bannings, especially given how bad Kelly really is as a person (I liked her as a person until I read her responses to criticism) and as a caster. But anyways thank you Kelly haters brave enough to voice your opinion for one of the most entertaining reads of the automated ban list. EDIT: Posts like these really don't deserve a ban. When posts like these aren't. | ||
Spazer
Canada8032 Posts
On February 22 2011 06:22 Zocat wrote: Let's face the truth - we (as a community) arent able to discuss kelly as a caster at the moment. Sure, some individuals might be able to do so, but the majority cannot or doesnt want to have a logical/mature discussion. This invovles to both sides - the "haters" and the "fanboys". So every post / thread (d)evolves pretty fast into a shitstorm where both sides insult each other / kelly. Also everything has been said. So basically no post adds "content" to the discussion, but is basically a "+1". So atm isnt the time to do some "mildly funny/offensive" pictures (with her as a meme) - it would just lead to more bad posting. I think in ~2-3 weeks we can do some funny ones and wont get banned for it. Just ignore everything involving kelly - and you'll do fine. That's my current point of view. Maybe we can have a better discussion in 2-3 weeks - when the dust has settled. Btw - are there any statistics who has the most bans in a certain timeframe? Has Mani managed to get the "highscore" thanks to today or was something "better" in TLs history? Hot bid got 198 over two days (or 218 over three days) during beta roulette. I'll probably update the most bans thread later today. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On February 22 2011 05:44 Tenshik wrote: I don't agree with this. He had legitimately funny pictures and a lot of them. Fact is when it comes to criticism or straight up heckling respect is going to be garnered by one who can roll with and dismiss it. No one gets banned for scumbag steve memes when those are tbh criticizing one's character a lot more harshly for no reason at all. Those actually had relevancy and were funny. We have holocaust jokes in there too. But anyway, my main point is comedy shouldn't be censored, because just blanketbanning people for criticizing Kelly isn't going to do anything but create more hostility albeit quieter. I know my first thought was Oh I guess TL is whiteknighting. No one was making fun of her for anything other than what her JOB was. The pics weren't saying she was a gaptooth hippomouth (read that one in the gom chat) or how she had no tits. It was just relevant and lighthearted jokes at her Singaporean accent.Are you fucking retarded? Most of those pictures made fun out of her problems pronouncing the letter "R". It can hardly get any more childish then that. And also very nice going about "gaptoothiness" and "no tits." Stay classy. User was warned for this post | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On February 22 2011 05:58 JWD wrote: First, this thread isn't the place to lodge a complaint about a ban. PM the mod please. Second, if you really think that we are "blanketbanning people for criticizing Kelly" then you need a reality check: what we are banning people for is deriding her in ways that are mean and unconstructive. Both content and delivery matter. So while it is ok to point out that you think she has an accent that will have an effect on her casting, it is not ok to make a post consisting entirely of crude imitations of that accent. (Analogy: while it is of course permissible to point out a post as incorrect, it's not ok to do so by writing "DURR DURR STUPID POST".) I dont get why the pictures werent deleted. I'd hate for Kelly to see them, theyre nothing short of mean and she is a human being after all, and has feelings, something a lot of you seem to forget. | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
On February 22 2011 06:37 Sfydjklm wrote: I dont get why the pictures werent deleted. I'd hate for Kelly to see them, theyre nothing short of mean and she is a human being after all, and has feelings, something a lot of you seem to forget. Because they were hilarious and accurate, if her feelings are hurt by them then she'd be pretty devastated if she ever watched the GSL VOD's. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Ichabod
United States1659 Posts
ParasitJonte was just temp banned for 2 weeks by JWD. That account was created on 2004-09-14 07:16:10 and had 1518 posts. Reason: Bashing a user for his post count: unacceptable Bashing a user for his post count in a thread with a mod warning at the top explicitly instructing you to talk about the games: stupid Bashing a user for his post count in a thread with a mod warning at the top explicitly instructing you to talk about the games when you are fresh off a tempban: off TL for a couple weeks Being able to read about it all in the Automated Ban List: Priceless There are some things strict rules and regulation can't help, for everything else, there's the TL Mod Staff. | ||
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VForce
Germany90 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
enlive was just banned by JWD. That account was created on 2010-09-28 21:06:00 and had 30 posts. Reason: fake fan threads: obviously unacceptable enlivee was just banned by Puosu. That account was created on 2011-02-22 01:19:39 and had 0 posts. Reason: Wait out the ban "Wait out the ban" hahahah. Re: KellyMilkies. There's a way to give criticism without making it personal, mean spirited, or immature. It's one thing to say "I'm trying to understand her accent, but it's going to take some getting used to." or "He's definitely getting a lot of sentries to set up a midgame timing push, I don't know why Kelly just said he was teching and being defensive." That's specific, not personal, and not offensive. But if you lace your criticism with sexism, racism, or third grade humor, you're going to get banned. It's really really simple. Also, Mani had 96 bans by my count out of that thread, and around 110 posters were banned total. | ||
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ScarletKnight
United States691 Posts
It's a shame such a good production and showmatch is being marred by constant complaints about not everything being absolutely perfect. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On February 22 2011 05:03 JWD wrote: The Live Report thread (and forums in general right now) are disgusting. It's a bloodbath out there. Every idiot at TL is crawling out of his hole to whine and flame. Blech. Ya I agree, just reading through some of that makes me want to go a different website and read something else. If you ask me, Mani and the other mods are even being too nice and not banning enough people... | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8091 Posts
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
On February 22 2011 06:30 ComusLoM wrote: This reeks of correctness, as a community we generally see when something is wrong or right. You don't get people in the Libya protest thread getting banned for criticism Gadaffi. I realise the comparison is extreme but TL is a mature community and I think the mods went slightly overboard with bannings, especially given how bad Kelly really is as a person (I liked her as a person until I read her responses to criticism) and as a caster. But anyways thank you Kelly haters brave enough to voice your opinion for one of the most entertaining reads of the automated ban list. EDIT: Posts like these really don't deserve a ban. When posts like these aren't. i've read that second post (that you seem to suggest is bannable) 3 times and i struggle to see what's offensive in that. the closest i can see is the church one. now i just feel like i'm being really insensitive to someone.. i just don't know who! EDIT: iPood was just temp banned for 1 week by boesthius. That account was created on 2011-01-16 02:48:18 and had 46 posts. reasonless bans? slippery slope to fascism there | ||
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Tenshik
124 Posts
On February 22 2011 06:34 Sfydjklm wrote: Are you fucking retarded? Most of those pictures made fun out of her problems pronouncing the letter "R". It can hardly get any more childish then that. And also very nice going about "gaptoothiness" and "no tits." Stay classy. User was warned for this post Ok for one, the high expectations asian father has many pics in that thread where they make fun of asian accents... like it or not stereotypes are funny to some if not to you. But that's a personal problem of yours not the communities. But I get why TL is doing it, i just dont agree with it and I'm not "challenging" a ban here just complaining about the thoughts behind it. I thought this was the talk about bans thread not the everyone high five each other for bans so if my dissenting opinion is not welcome this'll probably be my last post about it anyway. So my second point is those things I said about her were what i've read in chats during the Code A matches not my personal voice. Never said it was high humor btw either. But I guess i agree with the guy about the tenderness of the issue atm and give it a couple weeks. Much the same as with President Bush, we weren't allowed to trash on him or numerous "laws" would punish us until he was out of office. @treehugger yeah but the funny pic thread is about funny pictures not criticism and the fact is I found them funny, that does not mean I'd go into the LR or wherever else saying lame jokes and making fun of her... Everything has it's place imo, and that's where lowgrade humor belongs. But it's entirely TL's prerogative to not allow it, standards are their's to set but I felt a voice was necessary to show that not everyone agrees with it. Whether that matters or not is for history to decide. (lul) | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On February 22 2011 09:40 kerpal wrote: EDIT: reasonless bans? slippery slope to fascism there noticed this too, I can probably guess what the reason is | ||
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