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Canada13400 Posts
On May 12 2014 12:55 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 12:44 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
@WolfintheSheep
>Everyone who wanted a dedicated DotA site already had it
Please, you can't compare gg/jd/nadota/playdota to TL Dota 2 section.
>The people that used TL for DotA were the ones that transitioned from SC, or the ones that cared about both.
I don't believe in people who care and can't open an extra window in their browser tab at the same time.
I believe his main point was the convenience of it which I can see.
Trust me, this was a big discussion for the Reds and Blues.
While I can see the point you guys are making about convenience, LiquidHearth seems to be doing well and branching off DotA to its own website is best for everyone at this point. TL was starting to get cluttered because of how many games were covered and now TL will be mainly for StarCraft and Hearth for HS and DotA for DotA, the three big games Liquid is really covering.
Now it will be easier to know what on the "on air" bar is actually StarCraft for the StarCraft lovers and DotA for the DotA lovers. We already knew all the big name events but sometimes smaller events that were side bar featured you couldn't tell at a glance which game they were. For the Liquid brand, this really helps to clarify what is and isn't SC vs DotA.
This doesnt mean the DotA people are shunned or gone forever, it just means when they chat DotA its over on a new place. The fact you chat on two different forums isn't SO different from choosing a different sub forum and going between tabs on the two.
This also really cleans up the sidebar and the forums list on the main forum page :D
On May 12 2014 13:02 DDie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 12:16 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 12 2014 11:57 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On May 12 2014 11:30 sumsaR wrote:On May 12 2014 11:23 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
@DwD: 100-150 users suddenly became a majoirty at TL?
If Community / Blogs / VideoStreams problems would get partly solved, you won't see anyone objecting at all, I bet. Only those who prefers to visit just one site for all their TL needs. Now the dota fans need to go to one for the dota 2 content and the main one for the non-gaming content (or sc2/lol), as the community forum section isn't shared across sites (because it's that section which keeps most people active on the forums, right?). I don't get it honestly. Everybody loves and respect TL stuff and TL community. But when admins openly explain to people: "Guys, we want to achieve even more results with our constant efforts, we want to bring more people into the TL awesomeness, we want to make a site more useful for a Dota and SC2 ACTIVE followers, wouldn't be it nice? All you need to do is just open one more window in your browser and you won't miss anything, believe us" and getting "How you dare to make my life even more uncomfortable and complicated than it's already. You will break the most mature esports community apart, plz stop" in response. Or, more generally, TeamLiquid was the only website that provided aggregate Event listings and Stream links for multiple major eSports. But instead of cornering a market that they had a complete monopoly on, and improving the service, they instead decided to create one more DotA website in a sea of already established communities. This was the best part of TL by far, i could hit the main page and instantly know everything in esports, now i have to go through multiple websites just like before.
This though is the sad part for those who put their feet in both the SC and DotA sides of the coin Q_Q
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On May 12 2014 13:10 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 12:55 BigFan wrote:On May 12 2014 12:44 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
@WolfintheSheep
>Everyone who wanted a dedicated DotA site already had it
Please, you can't compare gg/jd/nadota/playdota to TL Dota 2 section.
>The people that used TL for DotA were the ones that transitioned from SC, or the ones that cared about both.
I don't believe in people who care and can't open an extra window in their browser tab at the same time.
I believe his main point was the convenience of it which I can see. Trust me, this was a big discussion for the Reds and Blues. While I can see the point you guys are making about convenience, LiquidHearth seems to be doing well and branching off DotA to its own website is best for everyone at this point. TL was starting to get cluttered because of how many games were covered and now TL will be mainly for StarCraft and Hearth for HS and DotA for DotA, the three big games Liquid is really covering. Now it will be easier to know what on the "on air" bar is actually StarCraft for the StarCraft lovers and DotA for the DotA lovers. We already knew all the big name events but sometimes smaller events that were side bar featured you couldn't tell at a glance which game they were. For the Liquid brand, this really helps to clarify what is and isn't SC vs DotA. This doesnt mean the DotA people are shunned or gone forever, it just means when they chat DotA its over on a new place. The fact you chat on two different forums isn't SO different from choosing a different sub forum and going between tabs on the two. This also really cleans up the sidebar and the forums list on the main forum page :D Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 13:02 DDie wrote:On May 12 2014 12:16 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 12 2014 11:57 ForTehDarkseid wrote:On May 12 2014 11:30 sumsaR wrote:On May 12 2014 11:23 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
@DwD: 100-150 users suddenly became a majoirty at TL?
If Community / Blogs / VideoStreams problems would get partly solved, you won't see anyone objecting at all, I bet. Only those who prefers to visit just one site for all their TL needs. Now the dota fans need to go to one for the dota 2 content and the main one for the non-gaming content (or sc2/lol), as the community forum section isn't shared across sites (because it's that section which keeps most people active on the forums, right?). I don't get it honestly. Everybody loves and respect TL stuff and TL community. But when admins openly explain to people: "Guys, we want to achieve even more results with our constant efforts, we want to bring more people into the TL awesomeness, we want to make a site more useful for a Dota and SC2 ACTIVE followers, wouldn't be it nice? All you need to do is just open one more window in your browser and you won't miss anything, believe us" and getting "How you dare to make my life even more uncomfortable and complicated than it's already. You will break the most mature esports community apart, plz stop" in response. Or, more generally, TeamLiquid was the only website that provided aggregate Event listings and Stream links for multiple major eSports. But instead of cornering a market that they had a complete monopoly on, and improving the service, they instead decided to create one more DotA website in a sea of already established communities. This was the best part of TL by far, i could hit the main page and instantly know everything in esports, now i have to go through multiple websites just like before. This though is the sad part for those who put their feet in both the SC and DotA sides of the coin Q_Q
But the things you are willing to do away with for this new system are the exact things that differentiated TL from the competition. I don't understand why you would trade the things that made you special for the upsides of being like everyone else...
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I logged in just to say I hate this change. I like to use team liquid as my esports Hub for Dota AND SC2. I don't want to use two fucking separate sites. When you separated Hearth Stone into a different site I stopped using it entirely. Stop taking away the convenience of having one website for all the competitive games. Poor form boys.
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You cannot gift TL+ on LiquidDota yet
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I'm also against this change... TL was my esports website, be is sc2, dota2, or other. this is a huge inconvenience to the users and frankly will turn me away from visiting because you've taken away what was best about tl.
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I don't really like this at all. I use a lot of sections on this website, one of them being Dota 2. I can't really see myself spending twice the amount of time to participate on two different websites now. And I enjoy the Dota 2 part more, so... I guess that means I'll probably rarely use the main TL site anymore, which is just dumb.
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The bottom line seems to be a trade-off between an inconvenience for existing users in the hopes of increasing future user count. There are some added features on the new site that should in theory offset some of this inconvenience, but it seems from the polls and comments that they have not come close to outweighing the faults of this change.
If nothing else, this trade-off seems against the spirit of a community-first forum with which TeamLiquid had been centered about since its inception. Yes, the community may have changed and may no longer be a relatively tightly-knit singular "family" as it was in the BW days, but it had seemed that TL was not overly concerned with maximizing viewer counts and the more commercial aspects of maintaining an admittedly growing community as much as it was about producing community-driven HQ content and discussion as it has for the past decade or so.
I would argue, in fact, that the community has turned into smaller "families" or "communities" that do mingle and interact with each other to varying degrees, and that this move would be akin to segregating one of the larger families from the rest by much more substantial means than the other communities' choices of association. Meh.
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On May 12 2014 06:36 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 06:30 beesinyoface wrote:On May 12 2014 06:29 FiWiFaKi wrote:
I don't like this. I think it's a really poor decision that will lead to failure.
Fragmenting the community... and fragmenting the Community threads like General, Sports, News etc. If I like Dota but want to participate in that, I really have to go to two different sites? Strongly against this decision. Ah well, nothing I can do. Pretty much this. It was nice being able to jump around and check it everything all in one website. Sounds like a petty complaint but just turns me off I suppose. As long as you're speaking for yourself it makes sense. There are a lot of people who don't follow both games.
I don't understand the strategy either. I'll continue to sift through the thread a bit but I just see it as a bad idea.
I enjoyed browsing the hearthstone thread through the main site, but must confess the standalone pales in comparison to something like HearthPwn.com, and I'm sure more people fill the same way.
I'm sure a lot of people got their initial hype of hearthstone from TL, now there just exists the fragmentation/unnecessary separation.
It is clearly going to be favorable the people deeply rooted in the TL community that are only interested in X game, but past that it is detrimental to the growth of the community.
The question begs now.... what is next, LiquidSmash? LiquidLoL? ...just doesn't seem good in the long run.
Hopefully the filter is updated so that the site can be kept as it initially was.
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Posted this in the other thread on LiquidDota.com:
So how much did you guys get paid by Riot to leave LoL alongside dying game SC2 by removing Dota/Hearthstone? Lets be honest, when people think of Team Liquid they think of www.teamliquid.net, and whats on the front page? LoL streamers on the right, LoL tournament news on the left, and a bunch of news about SC2 players retiring.
Yeah I see where this is going, Well Played! TL
Really really dissapointed
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best decision since founding TLPro. Now people can focus on sc2 again. There is already to much of this Dota Content.
So everyone gets more space! Good idea!
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can't say i like the change.
I wish there was an option to keep dota related news on tl.net. might be greedy but if there was such an option.. could include hearthstone back in it as well? ^ ^
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I don't like the change at all. I've been visiting TL on a daily basis for years. I stopped caring about SC2 over 2 years ago, but I still came back for the community (General forum, Sports etc.) and later started following Dota2. I highly dislike that those two are going to be separated in the future.
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Yeah not a fan... I am never going to use liquiddota.
I think everything involving teamliquid should be on the one site. Teamliquid was like a portal for multiple games involving teamliquid.
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On May 12 2014 14:00 Navi wrote:
The bottom line seems to be a trade-off between an inconvenience for existing users in the hopes of increasing future user count.
This is exactly correct. These changes suck for the TL regulars but may prove healthy for growth and ad revenue. The loyal TL fan base isn't going anywhere. There is a reason we choose TL over other sites (hint: it's not just the games you cover)so by splitting the sections they effectively get all of us long time loyal schmucks to be inconvenienced by clicking multiple sites and open multiple ads, while also increasing (hopefully) community growth and activity in each liquid-branch.
I'm not typing this out like it's some dubious plot with admins laughing manically in hidden rooms but for a long time TL browser, these changes without a doubt, just. plain. suck. It's not the end of the world and the sky isn't falling, there are no pitchforks to grab and nobody needs to be dramatic (yes I threatened suicide earlier) but it does truly suck.
Maybe in the end these sister sites will work out and each individual game community will flourish, maybe it will result in more revenue to produce better, higher quality content, who knows. What is done is done. I do have one thing to say though and that is that these changes genuinely seem counter-intuitive to what made TL 'my' site. It wasn't that TL covered broodwar that made me lurk for years and years, plenty of sites covered broodwar. It wasn't that TL transitioned to SC2 and championed 'esports' around the globe, it wasn't the team or the players, it wasn't the dota2 or hearthstone additions, it was the community. The 'team liquid' community, not the "brood war", the "SC2", or the "DOTA" community, but the teamliquid.net**community.
Love you all.*
*kinda
**legit suicide inc
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Well this sucks. I loved having 1 site I could go to for tournament info for both SC2 and Dota 2. If it's on 2 different sites, I'm literally just never going to go to the dota site. Guess I might as well just start using joindota more often. :\
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Hooray! Please never ever come back
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On May 12 2014 14:53 crms wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 14:00 Navi wrote:
The bottom line seems to be a trade-off between an inconvenience for existing users in the hopes of increasing future user count. This is exactly correct. These changes suck for the TL regulars but may prove healthy for growth and ad revenue. The loyal TL fan base isn't going anywhere. There is a reason we choose TL over other sites (hint: it's not just the games you cover)so by splitting the sections they effectively get all of us long time loyal schmucks to be inconvenienced by clicking multiple sites and open multiple ads, while also increasing (hopefully) community growth and activity in each liquid-branch. I'm not typing this out like it's some dubious plot with admins laughing manically in hidden rooms but for a long time TL browser, these changes without a doubt, just. plain. suck. It's not the end of the world and the sky isn't falling, there are no pitchforks to grab and nobody needs to be dramatic (yes I threatened suicide earlier) but it does truly suck. Maybe in the end these sister sites will work out and each individual game community will flourish, maybe it will result in more revenue to produce better, higher quality content, who knows. What is done is done. I do have one thing to say though and that is that these changes genuinely seem counter-intuitive to what made TL 'my' site. It wasn't that TL covered broodwar that made me lurk for years and years, plenty of sites covered broodwar. It wasn't that TL transitioned to SC2 and championed 'esports' around the globe, it wasn't the team or the players, it wasn't the dota2 or hearthstone additions, it was the community. The 'team liquid' community, not the "brood war", the "SC2", or the "DOTA" community, but the teamliquid. com community. Love you all.* *kinda
Fake community member detected.
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