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On March 21 2012 10:28 syncopate wrote:
Bo7 is definitely the way to go, especially for playoffs. There's no reason why we can't up the ante -- the schools who make it this far are pretty serious about the competition anyway, it's not like they won't have the additional 2 players.
I am pretty sure every school who got past the playoffs has more than 7 players 
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On March 21 2012 10:45 carloselcoco wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 10:28 syncopate wrote:
Bo7 is definitely the way to go, especially for playoffs. There's no reason why we can't up the ante -- the schools who make it this far are pretty serious about the competition anyway, it's not like they won't have the additional 2 players. I am pretty sure every school who got past the playoffs has more than 7 players
actually, the playoffs bracket is going to be pretty big this year in comparison to previous years, so that argument doesn't quite hold
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On March 21 2012 11:52 d3_crescentia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2012 10:45 carloselcoco wrote:On March 21 2012 10:28 syncopate wrote:
Bo7 is definitely the way to go, especially for playoffs. There's no reason why we can't up the ante -- the schools who make it this far are pretty serious about the competition anyway, it's not like they won't have the additional 2 players. I am pretty sure every school who got past the playoffs has more than 7 players actually, the playoffs bracket is going to be pretty big this year in comparison to previous years, so that argument doesn't quite hold
It is only double the size from last year. The CSL grew 4 times larger this year. My argument does stand...
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Like I have mentioned before! I am totally willing to cast for you guys again.
I had a blast at the Midwest Meltdown!!!!
-OUTLAW
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On March 20 2012 15:12 Erik.TheRed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2012 14:59 shindigs wrote:
If you let 2v2 players play in 1v1s wouldn't that defeat the purpose of trying to dampen star power? Not if it's Bo7. And anyway, a star can already play in 2 games (including the ace). If he played in the 2v2 and a 1v1, he's actually making it worse for his team (assuming 2v2 doesn't represent "skill" as well as a 1v1)
or just make it all 1v1s...
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unrelated to all the bo7 talk, this ELO ranking system is very flawed. It rewards the division that played more games. For example, divisions that played 7 games versus 8 games are all in the West region...This obviously favors the divisions that played 8 games.
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On March 23 2012 11:41 stalife wrote:
unrelated to all the bo7 talk, this ELO ranking system is very flawed. It rewards the division that played more games. For example, divisions that played 7 games versus 8 games are all in the West region...This obviously favors the divisions that played 8 games.
You don't get placed into divisions 2nd half of season. Yet, Berkeley played 9 games and UBC played 7. Seems like a flaw in the scheduling algorithm.
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in the future, CSL will be run by robots
and then no one can argue with their logic
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I think best of sevens would hurt many schools. I'm a member of a playoff team that is having trouble fielding 5 players. Our team is very dedicated(we drove 9 hours to the irvine LAN.) but the truth is we only have 6 players in plat+. While I get the feeling alot of schools posting here have more masters than that . Most of these players have jobs and classes. All of the playoff times listed as options in the email we received where late at night. It's hard enough getting 5 of the 6 players to be available for any one time, let alone having enough to cover for people dropping out minute.
Already towards the end of this season most schools we played had to deal with substations due to players dropping. The star effect may help boost some schools, but that's irrelevant. The csl isnt jjust another tournament to most schools, it's more of a community. Getting together on weekends to cheer on your teammates is one of the most awesome experiences. I've met some of my best friends through csl and it's made me actually play/love Starcraft again. I'd say that if a bo7 even eliminated only 10% of the schools it wouldn't be a good idea, and I think it would discourage more, especially teams just starting up.
Tldr: I'd rather have more schools participating than trying to stop star power.
Typed on my phone so sorry for any typos.
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On March 23 2012 11:41 stalife wrote:
unrelated to all the bo7 talk, this ELO ranking system is very flawed. It rewards the division that played more games. For example, divisions that played 7 games versus 8 games are all in the West region...This obviously favors the divisions that played 8 games.
ELOs were standardized before Season 5.2
Byes in Season 5.2 awarded ELO
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On March 23 2012 12:07 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2012 11:41 stalife wrote:
unrelated to all the bo7 talk, this ELO ranking system is very flawed. It rewards the division that played more games. For example, divisions that played 7 games versus 8 games are all in the West region...This obviously favors the divisions that played 8 games. You don't get placed into divisions 2nd half of season. Yet, Berkeley played 9 games and UBC played 7. Seems like a flaw in the scheduling algorithm.
It has to do with BYEs. They are not shown on the record, but count towards ELO. There is a bug in the system, it effects overall standings - Ill get around to fixing it before we archive season data.
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On March 24 2012 18:32 Blindo wrote:
I think best of sevens would hurt many schools. I'm a member of a playoff team that is having trouble fielding 5 players. Our team is very dedicated(we drove 9 hours to the irvine LAN.) but the truth is we only have 6 players in plat+. While I get the feeling alot of schools posting here have more masters than that . Most of these players have jobs and classes. All of the playoff times listed as options in the email we received where late at night. It's hard enough getting 5 of the 6 players to be available for any one time, let alone having enough to cover for people dropping out minute.
Already towards the end of this season most schools we played had to deal with substations due to players dropping. The star effect may help boost some schools, but that's irrelevant. The csl isnt jjust another tournament to most schools, it's more of a community. Getting together on weekends to cheer on your teammates is one of the most awesome experiences. I've met some of my best friends through csl and it's made me actually play/love Starcraft again. I'd say that if a bo7 even eliminated only 10% of the schools it wouldn't be a good idea, and I think it would discourage more, especially teams just starting up.
Tldr: I'd rather have more schools participating than trying to stop star power.
Typed on my phone so sorry for any typos.
Woo, shoutouts to Nevada for their ESPORTS dedication. Great meeting you guys at Irvine  THanks for your input
In an ideal world, every school would have a booming StarCraft club on campus and you could find 5 players, or even 7 players, ez pz. But the reality is most people will prioritize school or other life obligations over CSL games (for now...) so for smaller teams it is insanely difficult to coordinate schedules between 5 players if they only have about 10 players in their overall roster.
I'd really like to make playoffs Bo7, but unfortunately we had forfeits even during Bo5 playoffs. Maybe 128 was too much?
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Agreed about shindigs point, sadly only a small number of schools have many active members. 128 does seem like a bit of a big pool of schools for playoffs...maybe less would make the regular season more exciting to motivate more schools to try harder and make playoffs?
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Less qq about elo, more qq if there is not an official stream of sorts for at least some highlighted matches.
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On April 03 2012 08:07 EtherealDeath wrote:
Less qq about elo, more qq if there is not an official stream of sorts for at least some highlighted matches.
Coming up! feel free to recommend matches here as well as the website
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Waterloo vs Brock was really exciting.
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