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keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-02 00:29:48
November 02 2014 00:23 GMT
#24181
100 mmr lost, all of the losses were 60+min close games. fuck this shit rather have stomp than close fucking games

Why Does Medusa Decide To Push Into Enemy Base Without Buyback Money At 60 Minutes. Fun times defending alone against farmed Chaos Knight. pretty sure ive hit my skillcap at 4.6k mmr, ur supposed to improve right not just hang around at the same stupid trash tier mmr
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Jisira
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
470 Posts
November 02 2014 00:35 GMT
#24182
I'm generally not the QQ guy, but here we go.

I just won a game. Great. All is good in the hood. However...
I played with 3 RL friends, in a normal game. Two of them are a decent margin of MMR below me and one other dude, so they actually decide to play support (THE DREAM?). We also had an internet acquaintance with us - a "core or feed" player. We proceed to random Razor for mid, and our acquaintance decided to play carry. We build a WD/Shadow Priest/Void trilane with me as a solo Necro top. Their lanes were Silencer/BM safe, Ember mid, Timber bot and Mirana roam.

We proceed to win top, we win mid and we win bot. I get into the ultralate Necro play and try to farm away... but when we 5man - Void refuses to initiate before Silencer ult is down. We proceed to lose more and more until he lands a Chrono on Mirana, Ember and Silencer and bring all of them down. In 41 minutes, he had 179 CS with a score of 9/8/11. He also claims to main at 5.5k MMR.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
November 02 2014 00:38 GMT
#24183
On November 02 2014 09:23 keit wrote:
pretty sure ive hit my skillcap at 4.6k mmr, ur supposed to improve right not just hang around at the same stupid trash tier mmr

If it makes you feel better:

1) 4.6k MMR is probably like 85th percentile if not better
2) If you've been focusing on playing well rather than climbing most efficiently there are a lot of worse players above you
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
November 02 2014 01:07 GMT
#24184
On November 02 2014 09:35 Jisira wrote:
I'm generally not the QQ guy, but here we go.

I just won a game. Great. All is good in the hood. However...
I played with 3 RL friends, in a normal game. Two of them are a decent margin of MMR below me and one other dude, so they actually decide to play support (THE DREAM?). We also had an internet acquaintance with us - a "core or feed" player. We proceed to random Razor for mid, and our acquaintance decided to play carry. We build a WD/Shadow Priest/Void trilane with me as a solo Necro top. Their lanes were Silencer/BM safe, Ember mid, Timber bot and Mirana roam.

We proceed to win top, we win mid and we win bot. I get into the ultralate Necro play and try to farm away... but when we 5man - Void refuses to initiate before Silencer ult is down. We proceed to lose more and more until he lands a Chrono on Mirana, Ember and Silencer and bring all of them down. In 41 minutes, he had 179 CS with a score of 9/8/11. He also claims to main at 5.5k MMR.


Honestly silencer destroys void if you're depending on chrono for initiation.

Timewalk is slow and obvious enough that if silencer's paying any attention at all, void will jump into them and then end up standing there getting raped.

Of course, he could just buy BKB.
AbareKiller
Profile Joined May 2014
456 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-02 01:27:05
November 02 2014 01:25 GMT
#24185
>Losing early games
>1v5 dragging it back as TB
>Game goes to 70 minutes, only 1 rax down, I'm keeping them at bay
>Won teamfight, but lost 2 set of raxes and T4
>Meta all the way down, T1, T2, T3, Raxes, T4
>Meta down, oh fuck, yolo.
>Enemy throne 50%, underfarmed Shadow Shaman killed me with Aghs wards
>Dies, enemy throne at 10%
>Enemy team walk in 1 by 1, dies to PA.
>Shadow Shaman drop wards before he dies
>Team mate didn't focus wards
>Radiant victory

FML
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
November 02 2014 01:28 GMT
#24186
I figured out the "logic" behind the void + kunkka pick in my last game. It was to wombo combo Chronosphere with Boat+Torrent.

Well that would have worked if our Void wasn't such a wuss and kept staying behind my 5 position skywrath.
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
November 02 2014 01:53 GMT
#24187
I still can't believe the pushing power of Spider with Lycan, ofc we failed to counterpick...
But the dmg early... too much for the lane with no wave clear.
Xxazn4lyfe51xX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States976 Posts
November 02 2014 03:35 GMT
#24188
Just had a game where I was in a trilane as naga with a bane and a PA against a puck. Bane is in the jungle, but it appears the camp is warded. I don't know this as I'm in the lane and bane says nothing. Bane brings in sentries on a chicken, but walks the chicken right past the warded camp, puck orbs in and kills chicken. PINGPINGPING wtf naga can you pay attention???

So.. I'm supposed to know that the jungle is warded, watch the courier for you as you bring in the sentries, notice that the courier you are using is running past a warded camp and move the courier for you??? The sad thing is, I actually DID react faster than him and started moving the courier back as soon as I saw the orb come out from puck. But bane resisted and tried to get the courier to deliver again and so dead chicken...

Bane the proceeds to call team bad because: trilane against puck and puck has bottle and boots already. I wonder why. He then goes midas and afk farms a necro 3, which he can't really split push with or pick people off with. We hold this game for 60 minutes for some ungodly reason but end up losing to splitpush in the end/
the bear jew
Profile Joined August 2014
United States3674 Posts
November 02 2014 03:41 GMT
#24189
Just had a support duo that let a solo offlane necrophos on dire offlane be a thing and free farm. And the naga proceeded to go radiance despite not having it 35 minutes in and they were pushing base.
DeMoN pulled off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Tannex
Profile Joined July 2011
United States196 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-02 06:43:39
November 02 2014 06:31 GMT
#24190
Just had a silencer who went solo lane and fed like 6 kills to a MEEPO before whining to me about swithc lanes, when I was a SF vs tide and winning handily.

Edit: He sold his almost buckler and headdress and started building aghs when he said he was going to build mek, out viper got blademail instead of mek, and not he's 3-14 and flaming the team. Our ursa is also complaining. Did I also mention silencer said he was going to support and didn't buy a single ward. T_T

They eventually just give up and buy 15-20 couriers, feed them, and then afk for the rest of the match, while me, Undying, and Viper nearly solo kill their entire team...

I'm trying to improve, and I feel like I have, but when I have to play with people like that it makes me question my own ability to carry the game. >.<
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-02 08:43:22
November 02 2014 08:33 GMT
#24191
I go PA mid*** (unranked) and guy picks morph safelane. I'm like OK I fight you farm. So I fight. I go godlike before first death. He farms. I keep fighting. Until I can't fight any more because the supports...refuse to ward across the river while their hard carries are farming. The team is just kinda...meandering. And I try to convince them to fight...they start giving me shit. Eventually we lose, and Morphling is completely unable to defend after I get ganked at our own secret shop (thanks wards!). At 62 minutes mind you. Because three of our players were just wandering around on our side of the map while morph farmed and I did what I could while taking as little farm as possible. I could not convince these guys to either fight or place aggressive wards so I could hunt their carries. We lost. Morphling had 400 GPM, went 4/4/9.

SURPRISE! FOUR STACK!!!! HA HA just kidding not surprise. I knew. I knew when I muted all four of them that they were grouped. Of course, two games before this I had a team giving me shit almost all fucking game while at one point I was fucking 23-1 (I remember this point because guy on other team was like "wtf" about it). SURPRISE THREE STACK!!! HA HA just kidding not surprise. At least that time we won (I was 28-1 at the end. Someone had to carry those clowns).

I hate stacks but I really, really, REALLY FUCKING HATE FOUR OUT OF FIVE SLOTS BEING TAKEN UP BY A STACK. PLEASE STOP THIS SHIT VOLVO. THANKS.

*** Would like to note that I said at the beginning of this game "I can play any position so just mark your lanes and do jobs and we're all good" and by the way only one fucking player marked their lane and that's why I took mid. The previous game I took Keeper because other shit was taken. I dgaf just...mark? Do your jobs? We win?

[e] Looking at the DotaBuff the highest GPM on oppo was 386. These guys were fucking terribad and we still lost to them because four-stack don't listen to mister five. I hate this shit so fucking much it is unreal.
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
bdonballer
Profile Joined October 2014
United States408 Posts
November 02 2014 11:29 GMT
#24192
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/999235062
Guys just look at that bounty hunter. 6 phase boots!!! 3-24-17. Thank god he was on the other team. Dat 6 phase boots build. Poor other team.
I carry hard!
Howie_Dewitt
Profile Joined March 2014
United States1416 Posts
November 02 2014 18:11 GMT
#24193
On November 02 2014 09:38 FHDH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 09:23 keit wrote:
pretty sure ive hit my skillcap at 4.6k mmr, ur supposed to improve right not just hang around at the same stupid trash tier mmr

If it makes you feel better:

1) 4.6k MMR is probably like 85th percentile if not better
2) If you've been focusing on playing well rather than climbing most efficiently there are a lot of worse players above you

What percentile is 1.8k lolol
Sisyphus had a good gig going, the disappointment was predictable. | Visions of the Country (1978) is for when you're lost.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
November 02 2014 18:14 GMT
#24194
On November 03 2014 03:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 09:38 FHDH wrote:
On November 02 2014 09:23 keit wrote:
pretty sure ive hit my skillcap at 4.6k mmr, ur supposed to improve right not just hang around at the same stupid trash tier mmr

If it makes you feel better:

1) 4.6k MMR is probably like 85th percentile if not better
2) If you've been focusing on playing well rather than climbing most efficiently there are a lot of worse players above you

What percentile is 1.8k lolol

Probably like 10-20th I'd guess >_>
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
November 02 2014 20:55 GMT
#24195
I've probably said this before... but if you pick Mirana regularly I fucking hate you with a passion and you're fucking garbage by default.
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28100 Posts
November 02 2014 20:57 GMT
#24196
On November 03 2014 05:55 Wingblade wrote:
I've probably said this before... but if you pick Mirana regularly I fucking hate you with a passion and you're fucking garbage by default.

Sorry
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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-02 23:05:44
November 02 2014 22:54 GMT
#24197
On November 03 2014 03:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2014 09:38 FHDH wrote:
On November 02 2014 09:23 keit wrote:
pretty sure ive hit my skillcap at 4.6k mmr, ur supposed to improve right not just hang around at the same stupid trash tier mmr

If it makes you feel better:

1) 4.6k MMR is probably like 85th percentile if not better
2) If you've been focusing on playing well rather than climbing most efficiently there are a lot of worse players above you

What percentile is 1.8k lolol


He's talking out of his ass.

The only hard data Valve ever gave was from when ranked was released, and 4.6k was top <1%. The distribution will have changed since then, but nobody really knows by how much.

You can infer some info from the N/H/VH. Those were about 80%/16.5%/3.5% the last time somebody checked, and those cutoffs in MMR are H 3200 and VH 3700. Therefore, 3200 is 80th percentile and 3700 is 96th percentile. 4.6k is 98th at least.

That said, 1.8k is definitely on the low end. Probably 15th-20th.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
November 03 2014 00:47 GMT
#24198
On November 03 2014 07:54 Belisarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 03:11 Howie_Dewitt wrote:
On November 02 2014 09:38 FHDH wrote:
On November 02 2014 09:23 keit wrote:
pretty sure ive hit my skillcap at 4.6k mmr, ur supposed to improve right not just hang around at the same stupid trash tier mmr

If it makes you feel better:

1) 4.6k MMR is probably like 85th percentile if not better
2) If you've been focusing on playing well rather than climbing most efficiently there are a lot of worse players above you

What percentile is 1.8k lolol


He's talking out of his ass.

The only hard data Valve ever gave was from when ranked was released, and 4.6k was top <1%. The distribution will have changed since then, but nobody really knows by how much.

You can infer some info from the N/H/VH. Those were about 80%/16.5%/3.5% the last time somebody checked, and those cutoffs in MMR are H 3200 and VH 3700. Therefore, 3200 is 80th percentile and 3700 is 96th percentile. 4.6k is 98th at least.

That said, 1.8k is definitely on the low end. Probably 15th-20th.

Thanks buddy I did literally say "probably like...if not better" I'm not sure saying "probably like" - qualifying it as a guess - is the same as "talking out of my ass" but grrrr, Aussies, grrr. u wot m8
После драки кулаками не машут (Don't shake your fist when the fight is over)
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-03 03:08:18
November 03 2014 02:58 GMT
#24199
too fukin rite m8

I mean, your guess is different to Valve's data by at least 1000 MMR, on basically no evidence. Over 'ere that does kind of constitute talking out your ass.

If you genuinely didn't know the info and just made a wild guess, then I'm sorry. There's just a lot of players who spout nonsense to make it seem like <4.5k (or whatever they happen to be) is terrible. In reality, anything over like 3k is well above average.
FHDH
Profile Joined July 2014
United States7023 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-03 03:12:50
November 03 2014 03:11 GMT
#24200
That was sort of my point. And it wasn't a totally wild guess it's just the best I can do without data through casual observation and some assumptions about the nature of the distribution curve (roughly bell-shaped, skewed right, with outliers above 7k and the "common noob" players below 2k). So yeah someone thinking 4.6k is trash tier is just giving into a notion of the distribution of MMR that there is not only no evidence for but some reasonable estimations one could make that are against it.

I would bet good money no more than 20% of players is 4.6k (what I stated) or above because I actually believe it's < 5% and I've seen enough anecdata to feel comfortable with that. But the 95th percentile number I have much less confidence in asserting, so vOv

I mean I get the concept behind the angst. When I came back to raiding in wow I went from tanking to DPS and my obsession with output was consuming. I'd feel like a bad if I didn't get top DPS in a 25-man pickup raid because "plebs" etc. But that shit's not realistic. The worst fucking thing is that people care about stuff like this because they want to have credibility just discussing this thing they theoretically enjoy doing. That's fucking cancer and it's especially cancer if you have a skewed notion of what is "good."
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