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I recently built this computer in the hopes of finally being able to run sc2 at ultra. I was pretty heartbroken when I entered my first game and my fps hovered around 8 from the very outset. Here are the rest of my specs:
Ubuntu 10.10 64-bit
Phenom 955 x4 3.2ghz
4gb Corsair RAM
1920x1080 resolution
Yes I am running Ubuntu with wine, but I'm beginning to doubt the OS is the major problem. If this card got normal framerates on win7, Ubuntu would have to be cutting over 80% of its performance which I just don't think is happening.
Although there is another factor; I don't have access to the latest nvidia drivers with linux (the latest is 261.00 and I have 260.19.06). If 261.00 fixed a lot of things with sc2, maybe win7 is my best option.
So has anyone else experienced or heard of this problem on the 460? I can't determine whether my card just sucks or if I'm in dire need of windows.
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Is it possible that your power supply isn't powerful enough?
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those specs are similar to mine (probably even better), and I can run it on ultra smoothly using windows 7... so i'm willing to bet that it IS your OS
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I'm running your exact specs, except I have Windows 7.
I'm running SC2 constantly at 60 fps. I may only be at High, but I really don't have any problems... if you play desert strike, that's a different story.
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My PSU is 500 watts which is fine I think...
Okay then it probably is the OS. I had googled some pages about people having troubles getting the 460 to work for sc2 which made me nervous that my card was strugglin as well.
Also I didn't want to believe sc2 and wine were so incompatible because I didn't want to shell out the money for windows 7 xD ohhhh well
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i'm all for open source and free software but if you're gonna be gaming on your pc (and there's no reason not to with that graphics card), you better damn get windows xD
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It's most definitely your OS, A defective card, or Bad case/Cooling.
i get a decent 30 fps in max food 1v1's in ultra
but now a days i use to to play Starbattle in 100+fps
Same Exact processor but at 3.6 ghz, GPU, Ram and Resolution with 600 watt
but with "Free" Windows 7 ultimate.
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On January 08 2011 15:40 Viciousvx wrote:
It's most definitely your OS, A defective card, or Bad case/Cooling.
i get a decent 30 fps in max food 1v1's in ultra
but now a days i use to to play Starbattle in 100+fps
Same Exact processor but at 3.6 ghz, GPU, Ram and Resolution with 600 watt
but with "Free" Windows 7 ultimate.
Its the OS. Most definitely
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It's not an Ubuntu issue per se. The issue is wine. Are you using the latest dev build? Whenever running modern games with wine I would always suggest using the dev build as opposed to stable.
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Might have to go into your BIOS setup and turn on the Hybrid graphics performance on it.... Thats what i had to do.
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On January 08 2011 14:25 Kolvacs wrote:
Don't do that here.
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Yeah, I have a Gigabyte GTX460 1000mb and it works like a charm, so I can't really help you there. But I hope you figure out the problem!
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I have the same card, I stream at 1280x720 with everything on low. No you cannot do 1080p + Ultra graphics on this card its a budget card. I also own a 1GB model in my home in Canada and it can ALMOST do ultra at 1080p but it still cuts frames. Even then I live to stream/vod so its impossible.
Either lower your resolution too either 720p or to keep 16 1600x1024 is between 720-1080 and you get the same screen real estate.
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who said anything about streaming? i' running phenom 965 at 4.0 ghz and a GTS 250 1 GB with 40-50 frames on ultra 1080p
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Running Starcraft2 in Wine
Make sure you are running the latest wine version.
You can modify wine settings to greatly improve the performance.
Winehq has many details and to maximize your fps you can test out several things from there
My settings below:
+ Show Spoiler +Settings + Show Spoiler +
REGEDIT4
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Wine\Direct3D]
"DirectDrawRenderer"="opengl"
"Multisampling"="disabled"
"UseGLSL"="disabled"
"VertexShaderMode"="hardware"
You can edit these settings using regedit (aka "wine regedit" ). The simplest way to use these settings is to save the above spoiler into a text file "sc2.reg". Then load these settings using "wine regedit sc2.reg" You can of course use different settings for different games, the above method will however modify the default settings wich is probably ok ( but should still be noted).
Added
Note: you will not get the same performance in ubuntu that you get from windows7, but you should still be able to play using medium settings I guess.
(If I modify wine settings, I can play 1600x1050 with medium settings with decent fps using rougly the same cpu (but my gpu is a geforce 275)).
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Yeah I have an x955 and an Asus GTX460 with 4 gb of low latency ddr 1333 ram, and I run the game so perfectly, and can stream, encode video of it, save video if it in real time, at ultra. It's most likely because of Wine.
Also I got a 700 Watt Power Supply. And it's 80+gold, so it's efficiency means it's utilizing about the same power given out to the components potentially as a 800-900 watt of regular old style power supply.
On January 08 2011 13:59 MrKibbles wrote:
My PSU is 500 watts which is fine I think...
Okay then it probably is the OS. I had googled some pages about people having troubles getting the 460 to work for sc2 which made me nervous that my card was strugglin as well.
Also I didn't want to believe sc2 and wine were so incompatible because I didn't want to shell out the money for windows 7 xD ohhhh well
Also don't be afraid of it. Windows 7 is the best release of Windows I have seen since Windows 98.
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It's well worth shelling out the money for windows 7, that will most definitely help you. Your processor/ram/video card is more then sufficient to run sc2 very well so no problems there, also updating drivers can be quite helpful so go ahead and do that if you decide to switch over to windows 7.
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I just upgraded from a EVGA GTX 460 1GB to a 2x GTX 580 SLI Build over the Boxerday Week, previously, running Windows 7, I saw very little FPS drop under load (many units battling on screen).
I had most settings on Ultra with my 460, and in the heat of battle with maxed out armies on both sides, my FPS would drop to 45~.
Your OS is the issue, also, that 500W power supply you're using is very very very slim line for that card and set up, you're computers wall draw is probably close to 450W under load at the very LEAST.
That card suggests a 600-650W Powersupply when taking into consideration a full system setup. And I'm not pulling these numbers out of my ass, I have a Electric Draw Meter on my power bar, and under load with my 460 it would normally read 550-600W draw from the wall.
That PSU will do the job, especially after you stop running wine and actually install a partition of Win7. But you will be stressing your PSU to the max, of which i high suggest you do not do if you've ever seen a PSU melt down before. (It's not pretty.)
My specs prior to boxing day:
EVGA x58 SLI3
i7 980x Gulftown core clock @ 4.133GHZ from 3.33GHZ
6GB G.Skill Tri-Channel running 9-9-9-24
EVGA GTX 460 Fermi 720MHZ mem clock 1024MB 3.6GHZ core clock
OCZ GameXStream 700W PSU
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Alright. I can actually get a cheap copy of windows 7 via my sister in university, so I think that's what I'll do for the sake of playing on ultra.
Regarding the psu, I would be able to ship mine back to newegg and get a better one, since I still have that 30-day refund thing. My graphics card box says a 450w is the minimum for this card, though.
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On January 09 2011 02:39 MrKibbles wrote:
Alright. I can actually get a cheap copy of windows 7 via my sister in university, so I think that's what I'll do for the sake of playing on ultra.
Regarding the psu, I would be able to ship mine back to newegg and get a better one, since I still have that 30-day refund thing. My graphics card box says a 450w is the minimum for this card, though.
Your power supply is more than enough.
Your pc under full load wont pull anymore than 300-350 watts max
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On January 09 2011 02:49 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 02:39 MrKibbles wrote:
Alright. I can actually get a cheap copy of windows 7 via my sister in university, so I think that's what I'll do for the sake of playing on ultra.
Regarding the psu, I would be able to ship mine back to newegg and get a better one, since I still have that 30-day refund thing. My graphics card box says a 450w is the minimum for this card, though. Your power supply is more than enough. Your pc under full load wont pull anymore than 300-350 watts max
Yeah, a Phenom II X4 doesn't really pull power in the league of the i7-980x @ 4.13 GHz (though still accounting for the GameXStream's about 80% efficiency, Platypus' numbers look a little strange--maybe inaccuracy on a cheap meter due to a strange input waveform?). 300-350W seems like a decent estimate for the OP's system at full load.
Out of curiosity, what was the exact PSU model? If it's garbage, it may decide to blow up one day or damage components even under what should be a reasonable load. An old 3.3/5V-heavy 500W design may not like a modern 12V-heavy 300W load also.
Regardless, the PSU shouldn't be causing performance issues--that's WINE's issue, as confirmed already in this thread.
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On January 09 2011 02:49 Marcus420 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 02:39 MrKibbles wrote:
Alright. I can actually get a cheap copy of windows 7 via my sister in university, so I think that's what I'll do for the sake of playing on ultra.
Regarding the psu, I would be able to ship mine back to newegg and get a better one, since I still have that 30-day refund thing. My graphics card box says a 450w is the minimum for this card, though. Your power supply is more than enough. Your pc under full load wont pull anymore than 300-350 watts max
AMD CPUs pull a lot more power than you think mate.
Also, I have upgraded my PSU for my new SLI set up...
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You should have bought the 1gb, not 768mb
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I have virtually the same computer as you and I run at 60 fps all the time. In some cases when I play team it takes 2-3 mins to get from 20 or 30 fps to 60 but I always get to it no matter what and i play on ultra. When I played with extremes graphics on PTR i actually had 65 fps all the time with 40-45% cpu usage.
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Those are just the TDP numbers, which aren't exactly the max power consumption figures. Intel is more often conservative setting the TDP, putting it higher relative to actual power consumption relative to how AMD does it in general. But his i7-980x is overclocked significantly, so it's exceeding the listed TDP easily. Also, he has a high-end X58 board. Still, his numbers seem fishy unless he has a whole lot of hard drives and the voltage is set really high.
If you look around reviews for the GTX 460, you see figures like 310W for the whole system running FurMark (so the GPU is stressed far beyond what it would require in a "real" program) compared to 160W idle. That's AC power consumed from the wall with the typical overclocked Core i7 test system, so if the PSU is 85% efficient, it's only about 263W DC at load to the components. With a full CPU load on top of that, your Phenom II X4 system is probably not going to get above 350W DC (non-overclocked).
For the record, some Rosewill PSUs are pretty decent, but that one is borderline. These are side issues, but it's not 80 plus, doesn't have APFC, etc. It's only 31A on +12V (372W), which is fine if that's a legitimate rating at continuous power with a reasonable temperature. If that's peak power, there still shouldn't be a problem, but it'd be iffy. Just don't run prime95 + FurMark all day. It's probably not worth returning unless you'd like something better or more peace of mind.
e.g. Antec Earthwatts 430D ($55 - $25 MIR, expiring soon, with free shipping). Despite being 430W--nominally less than that 500W--it has 32A on +12V (384W) continuous, is 80 plus bronze, and has a 3 year warranty instead of the 1 year on the Rosewill. With rebate it costs a lot less too. If you don't like rebates, there are other options too.
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I have no experience with AMD, but my rig (i7 920, gtx470, 2HDDs, 6GB RAM) pulls 230-260 watts when I'm playing crysis.That's according to my backup battery which the computer and 1080p monitor is plugged into, meaning, the monitor energy is being counted too.
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It IS the fact that you are not running a Windows platform. If you ran that game in Windows, you would get a ridiculously smooth frame rate.
EDIT:I spelled fact wrong.  GLHF!
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