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Serral to Start Military Service April 2024 - Page 2

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hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland940 Posts
December 10 2023 11:40 GMT
#21
Finland has had a general conscription model for over a 100 years, technically even before Finland was an independent country.

Serral gets to join what's essentially a sports unit, so while it will have an effect on his practice and tournaments, that effect is still smaller than if he had just joined a normal unit. Now, he might not be able to pick whether he spends 165 or 347 days there, so that's something to keep in mind.
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Mikau
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands1446 Posts
December 10 2023 12:09 GMT
#22
On December 09 2023 23:39 Cricketer12 wrote:
TIL Finland has mandatory service


What sharing a massive border with a territorial fascist does to a motherfucker.
Locutus_
Profile Joined August 2023
Brazil65 Posts
December 10 2023 13:12 GMT
#23
On December 10 2023 03:48 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
LOL! What absolute insanity.

RIP European SC2



I think its much the other way around. Ppl will work harder knowing theres a much higher chance to win EU and international tourneys for a period o time.
Locutus_
Profile Joined August 2023
Brazil65 Posts
December 10 2023 13:12 GMT
#24
Its gonna be rather interesting
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
December 10 2023 19:23 GMT
#25
As someone who's also gone through the Finnish military service, and knowing something about the "athlete school" system they have, it's probably not going to affect his playing as much as the service does for the Koreans. Also it's nice to hear he can still travel to events
Mine gas, build tanks.
Akio
Profile Blog Joined January 2019
Finland1838 Posts
December 10 2023 19:25 GMT
#26
On December 10 2023 19:01 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2023 05:32 Ikirouta wrote:
On December 10 2023 03:48 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
LOL! What absolute insanity.

RIP European SC2


how is this "insanity" ?

considering his career ofc

+ i was not aware that FIN had mandatory service laws. Is this a recent idea because of the RUS/UKR war or something I just missed about the country before?

As hexhaven pointed out, this has been a thing for a long time. Being next to Russia with such a small population makes it a much more viable option than having a PMC
Mine gas, build tanks.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
December 10 2023 22:06 GMT
#27
On December 10 2023 19:01 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2023 05:32 Ikirouta wrote:
On December 10 2023 03:48 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
LOL! What absolute insanity.

RIP European SC2


how is this "insanity" ?

considering his career ofc

+ i was not aware that FIN had mandatory service laws. Is this a recent idea because of the RUS/UKR war or something I just missed about the country before?

Mandatory military service has been the case for pretty much Finland's entire existence as a country.
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
December 10 2023 23:17 GMT
#28
Well. That makes me very sad
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Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-10 23:47:43
December 10 2023 23:47 GMT
#29
Really nice that they admitted him into that special unit. Military is pretty easy in Finland and should be even easier in that special athletic unit if athletics means e-sports in this case. Hopefully Serral only has to serve for 180 days.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33472 Posts
Last Edited: 2023-12-11 02:06:07
December 11 2023 02:05 GMT
#30
On December 10 2023 20:40 hexhaven wrote:
Finland has had a general conscription model for over a 100 years, technically even before Finland was an independent country.

Serral gets to join what's essentially a sports unit, so while it will have an effect on his practice and tournaments, that effect is still smaller than if he had just joined a normal unit. Now, he might not be able to pick whether he spends 165 or 347 days there, so that's something to keep in mind.


No details on the duration in the article?

In the case of Lauri Markkanen, I think they let him split it up over two summers so it wouldn't interfere with his national team and NBA games, but I doubt they'd give that much consideration to an esports competitor. Even with the shorter ~7 month service, feels like missing out on DreamHack Dallas + Gamers8 will be very likely for Serral?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7138 Posts
December 11 2023 03:18 GMT
#31
On December 11 2023 11:05 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2023 20:40 hexhaven wrote:
Finland has had a general conscription model for over a 100 years, technically even before Finland was an independent country.

Serral gets to join what's essentially a sports unit, so while it will have an effect on his practice and tournaments, that effect is still smaller than if he had just joined a normal unit. Now, he might not be able to pick whether he spends 165 or 347 days there, so that's something to keep in mind.


No details on the duration in the article?

In the case of Lauri Markkanen, I think they let him split it up over two summers so it wouldn't interfere with his national team and NBA games, but I doubt they'd give that much consideration to an esports competitor. Even with the shorter ~7 month service, feels like missing out on DreamHack Dallas + Gamers8 will be very likely for Serral?

I think Serral said that he'll prolly miss Dallas but not the "world championship" event.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33472 Posts
December 11 2023 04:49 GMT
#32
On December 11 2023 12:18 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2023 11:05 Waxangel wrote:
On December 10 2023 20:40 hexhaven wrote:
Finland has had a general conscription model for over a 100 years, technically even before Finland was an independent country.

Serral gets to join what's essentially a sports unit, so while it will have an effect on his practice and tournaments, that effect is still smaller than if he had just joined a normal unit. Now, he might not be able to pick whether he spends 165 or 347 days there, so that's something to keep in mind.


No details on the duration in the article?

In the case of Lauri Markkanen, I think they let him split it up over two summers so it wouldn't interfere with his national team and NBA games, but I doubt they'd give that much consideration to an esports competitor. Even with the shorter ~7 month service, feels like missing out on DreamHack Dallas + Gamers8 will be very likely for Serral?

I think Serral said that he'll prolly miss Dallas but not the "world championship" event.


Hmm, maybe he has info that it's happening later in the year? Or perhaps he did get a special dispensation after all.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland940 Posts
December 11 2023 05:56 GMT
#33
On December 11 2023 11:05 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2023 20:40 hexhaven wrote:
Finland has had a general conscription model for over a 100 years, technically even before Finland was an independent country.

Serral gets to join what's essentially a sports unit, so while it will have an effect on his practice and tournaments, that effect is still smaller than if he had just joined a normal unit. Now, he might not be able to pick whether he spends 165 or 347 days there, so that's something to keep in mind.


No details on the duration in the article?


The duration is probably not decided as of yet, we'll just have to wait and see. Serral might get to visit all big tournaments and still spend 347 days in uniform, or he might not visit any events and spend only 165 days. It'll depend on what happens in 2024, since I assume the military still has specific quotas to fill in case of moblization.
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Ronski
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland266 Posts
December 11 2023 11:39 GMT
#34
They have like 45 days of Sports related vacations to use within the service if it lasts 165 days so I think participating in weekend events would be easy for Serral.
And that is just the basic, beyond that there is always vacation per request which can be approved.
I am a tank. I am covered head to toe in solid plate mail. I carry a block of metal the size of a 4 door sedan to hide behind. If you see me running - you should too.
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4225 Posts
December 11 2023 11:52 GMT
#35
On December 11 2023 04:25 Akio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2023 19:01 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
On December 10 2023 05:32 Ikirouta wrote:
On December 10 2023 03:48 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
LOL! What absolute insanity.

RIP European SC2


how is this "insanity" ?

considering his career ofc

+ i was not aware that FIN had mandatory service laws. Is this a recent idea because of the RUS/UKR war or something I just missed about the country before?

As hexhaven pointed out, this has been a thing for a long time. Being next to Russia with such a small population makes it a much more viable option than having a PMC

Did not know that, thanks for clarifying.
odi profanum vulgus et arceo
UnLarva
Profile Joined March 2019
458 Posts
December 12 2023 07:42 GMT
#36
More info about the FDF Sports school at https://intti.fi/en/fdf-sports-school
Part-time Serralogist
hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
December 12 2023 07:43 GMT
#37
further context:


https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/17z4z99/serral_starting_military_service_in_2024/

if the translation in the reddit thread is to be trusted dallas might be hard to compete in, but G8 should be fine
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RandomPlayer
Profile Joined April 2012
Russian Federation400 Posts
December 12 2023 09:18 GMT
#38
This is good for other players as they will be able to take the trophies. Besides, there will be some intrigue for the viewers instead of knowing that one player will always win.
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Heartland
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Sweden24591 Posts
December 12 2023 09:58 GMT
#39
On December 10 2023 21:09 Mikau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2023 23:39 Cricketer12 wrote:
TIL Finland has mandatory service


What sharing a massive border with a territorial fascist does to a motherfucker.


It's also not uncommon across neither the Nordics, or in mainland Europe, to have conscription armies. That has tended to be related to defense against Russia and/or the Soviet Union in general, of course, but before then it was in relation to other strategical interests.
Azhrak
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland1196 Posts
December 13 2023 19:59 GMT
#40
The hardest part is the two first months in the army - after that getting training leave and travel permissions is easier. Dallas is right at the end of his 2 first months, so he might be able to be there but in what shape is anyones guess.
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