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HomeStory Cup 23 announced (June 30-July 2)
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Waxangel
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tigera6
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Husyelt
United States839 Posts
On May 06 2023 11:20 tigera6 wrote: Great news and all, but why are we having this 2 weeks after DH Summer, just move it 1 week earlier so that non-EU players dont have to travel home and back again. Complain away naysayer. I welcome any new tournament because I am better than you | ||
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HolydaKing
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Kashim
Poland1244 Posts
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tigera6
3516 Posts
On May 06 2023 12:20 Husyelt wrote: Complain away naysayer. I welcome any new tournament because I am better than you Nah, tournament are always a plus, I am just trying to see why cant we have the full experience better. Remember how HSC last year was smacked right in the middle of GSL and non of the top KR was able to play? Its a shame if the scheduling become the reason why the fans and viewer cant have the full roster of top players in the world competing. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4300 Posts
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Wardi
England898 Posts
On May 06 2023 15:36 tigera6 wrote: Nah, tournament are always a plus, I am just trying to see why cant we have the full experience better. Remember how HSC last year was smacked right in the middle of GSL and non of the top KR was able to play? Its a shame if the scheduling become the reason why the fans and viewer cant have the full roster of top players in the world competing. Because it just doesn’t work like that. I also think HSC would love it if they could guarantee more players, but there is a lot that goes into deciding dates and so on. And last year they had approval from ESL/Blizzard for their schedule (I cant remember which) but they forgot HSC was scheduled and allowed GSL to schedule over it. A lot of people would say having the tournament the weekend after DH is also worse because its too much having the back to back weekends of big events | ||
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CicadaSC
United States2037 Posts
On May 06 2023 15:56 Wardi wrote: Because it just doesn’t work like that. I also think HSC would love it if they could guarantee more players, but there is a lot that goes into deciding dates and so on. And last year they had approval from ESL/Blizzard for their schedule (I cant remember which) but they forgot HSC was scheduled and allowed GSL to schedule over it. A lot of people would say having the tournament the weekend after DH is also worse because its too much having the back to back weekends of big events Except it can work like that. You can't just say it doesn't work like that without providing proof. You clearly don't know the situation directly so don't pretend you do. Taketv is allowed to disprove this, not you. | ||
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tigera6
3516 Posts
On May 06 2023 15:56 Wardi wrote: Because it just doesn’t work like that. I also think HSC would love it if they could guarantee more players, but there is a lot that goes into deciding dates and so on. And last year they had approval from ESL/Blizzard for their schedule (I cant remember which) but they forgot HSC was scheduled and allowed GSL to schedule over it. A lot of people would say having the tournament the weekend after DH is also worse because its too much having the back to back weekends of big events I have zero experience with hosting SC2 event, and I know that TakeTV has lost money on doing HSC so I do feel bad for them. This is not me trying to shade the organizer for trying their best at keeping the scene alive, I will always support SC2 tournament for the sake of the esport and players. However, I do feel a trend going where tournaments are scheduled with conflict / inconvenience when it doesnt have to be. Now, maybe there are lots of things going into this like you said, so I have no idea what I am saying at all. But I do know that asking somebody to do do inter-continental flight 4 times in 2 weeks, plus the jet lag in between while asking them to perform at top condition is humanly improbable. Maybe this has happened a lots before in SC2 scene and that players are totally ready for it, so I guess I could be wrong again. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1381 Posts
On May 06 2023 18:48 tigera6 wrote: I have zero experience with hosting SC2 event, and I know that TakeTV has lost money on doing HSC so I do feel bad for them. This is not me trying to shade the organizer for trying their best at keeping the scene alive, I will always support SC2 tournament for the sake of the esport and players. However, I do feel a trend going where tournaments are scheduled with conflict / inconvenience when it doesnt have to be. Now, maybe there are lots of things going into this like you said, so I have no idea what I am saying at all. But I do know that asking somebody to do do inter-continental flight 4 times in 2 weeks, plus the jet lag in between while asking them to perform at top condition is humanly improbable. Maybe this has happened a lots before in SC2 scene and that players are totally ready for it, so I guess I could be wrong again. Problems I can imagine: - Players still would need to pay for the travel from Jönköping to Krefeld. - Players would need to pay for the stay in-between tournaments, so a full week payment for a hotel that for sure no one will cover - Where do said players train in the meantime? The TakeTV-house is probably in full preparation for HSC, so players would need to find gaming cafes or whatnot to train during the week - If players boost their income with streams, they might lose a full week on that income because they can't properly stream on travel - With only one week in between, especially for the players doing a deep run in Sweden, there is little time to prepare for HSC. Fatigue also might kick in at some point, considering how much games especially players from the open bracket might have already played in Jönköping...and then you have instant travel, hotel stay and no place to properly grind | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2722 Posts
"HOME. STORY. CUP." | ||
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BelethielQT
90 Posts
On May 06 2023 18:42 CicadaSC wrote: Except it can work like that. You can't just say it doesn't work like that without providing proof. You clearly don't know the situation directly so don't pretend you do. Taketv is allowed to disprove this, not you. Wardi knows for sure more than you | ||
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isabellamark
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Philippe
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Voltz defends the NA interests, which is fair game but isn't enough on itself. I'll sum up one thing : only leaving a single week between two Premier events is likely to result in a poorer experience for everybody because of some of the reasons already said above. Teams and players won't spend less money nor less jet lagging. The only way this would work is if HSC is hosted literally in the same country as DreamHack (in this case Sweden), but it is hosted in Germany. | ||
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Tommy131313
Germany157 Posts
On May 06 2023 18:42 CicadaSC wrote: Except it can work like that. You can't just say it doesn't work like that without providing proof. You clearly don't know the situation directly so don't pretend you do. Taketv is allowed to disprove this, not you. Sorry man, that's BS. Wardi knows the background on this quite well. He's usually in close contact with TaKe and NarutO. Imho he is totally allowed to put things right in this matter. Besides that - HSC! HSC! HSC! I'm so thrilled about HSC XXIII really taking off this summer. And if I can squeeze in a day or two in my schedule, I will definitely go to Krefeld to experience the fantastic live atmosphere again   | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1201 Posts
On May 06 2023 18:42 CicadaSC wrote: Except it can work like that. You can't just say it doesn't work like that without providing proof. You clearly don't know the situation directly so don't pretend you do. Taketv is allowed to disprove this, not you. Its fair critique from tiger6. Unfortunately the schedule wasn't fully ready and we need to decide on dates for our events beforehand as well. So taking "a free guaranteed date" we can run it takes priority over "profiting form players being in Europe". But its fair critique. If we knew we would have gladly worked something out there. | ||
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tigera6
3516 Posts
On May 06 2023 21:09 Balnazza wrote: Problems I can imagine: - Players still would need to pay for the travel from Jönköping to Krefeld. - Players would need to pay for the stay in-between tournaments, so a full week payment for a hotel that for sure no one will cover - Where do said players train in the meantime? The TakeTV-house is probably in full preparation for HSC, so players would need to find gaming cafes or whatnot to train during the week - If players boost their income with streams, they might lose a full week on that income because they can't properly stream on travel - With only one week in between, especially for the players doing a deep run in Sweden, there is little time to prepare for HSC. Fatigue also might kick in at some point, considering how much games especially players from the open bracket might have already played in Jönköping...and then you have instant travel, hotel stay and no place to properly grind Cost-wise, I would assume its cheaper to fly the player from Sweden to Germany and then back to KR/NA instead of having another round trip flight for HSC? HSC still pay the full trip for players who qualified right? As for the hotel cost, I am also assuming player would leave on the Monday after DH, and normally they arrive at HSC on Thursday, so technically its a 3-4 days of living expense, would that be enough to off-set the cheaper flight cost? As for player income from streaming, I dont see non-EU players are really making money from streaming, if at all. And I dont mean this as a disrespect, but I think players already have enough preparation for DH Global, so that another 10 days of preparation wouldnt make a huge difference imo, its more about the conditioning of those players. And you are right, players might prefer to travel back home for 7-8 days and then travel again, although to me thats the option cause more fatigue. There just might not be a real perfect solution then. | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1201 Posts
On May 07 2023 00:01 tigera6 wrote: Cost-wise, I would assume its cheaper to fly the player from Sweden to Germany and then back to KR/NA instead of having another round trip flight for HSC? HSC still pay the full trip for players who qualified right? As for the hotel cost, I am also assuming player would leave on the Monday after DH, and normally they arrive at HSC on Thursday, so technically its a 3-4 days of living expense, would that be enough to off-set the cheaper flight cost? As for player income from streaming, I dont see non-EU players are really making money from streaming, if at all. And I dont mean this as a disrespect, but I think players already have enough preparation for DH Global, so that another 10 days of preparation wouldnt make a huge difference imo, its more about the conditioning of those players. And you are right, players might prefer to travel back home for 7-8 days and then travel again, although to me thats the option cause more fatigue. There just might not be a real perfect solution then. See post above | ||
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aringadingding
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