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IEM Katowice: Which is the group of death?

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TL.net Bot
Profile Joined June 2004
TL.net139 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-03 05:00:56
February 03 2022 05:00 GMT
#1
Discussion thread for front page poll: Which IEM Katowice RO24 group is the group of death?

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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
February 03 2022 05:27 GMT
#2
These groups are fairly even imho. 2-3 very strong players in each group, the others can pull off upsets.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7410 Posts
February 03 2022 10:12 GMT
#3
Depending on which Reynor & Clem show up I say it's either A or D
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Jj_82
Profile Joined December 2012
Swaziland419 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-07 10:39:04
February 03 2022 11:26 GMT
#4
E) None
Once rode a waterslide with PartinG and TaeJa ✌
rwala
Profile Joined December 2019
344 Posts
February 03 2022 15:12 GMT
#5
D! A bit worried for Reynor, and excited about potential upsets from Scarlett and/or Zoun.
Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1079 Posts
February 03 2022 15:45 GMT
#6
If you look at the point totals, the current poll results make a lot of sense considering Grp A-C are within ~400 points of each other and Grp D is 1k+ ahead.

Group A: 8896 Group B: 8389 Group C: 8426 Group D: 10056

I guess group of death is more about which group is likely to be the biggest bloodbath. I agree here as well, sure Maru is the favorite to advance, but the other players are all very close in skill and all of them have taken series from Maru in the past.
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
NunedQ
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany235 Posts
February 03 2022 19:02 GMT
#7
The way I look at it, every other group has 2 players who, regardless of groups, I would be suprised if they don't get to the knockouts, while group D has 3 of those.
Vision_
Profile Joined September 2018
877 Posts
February 03 2022 20:00 GMT
#8
The winner of group D should directly be the winner of the event
ImmortalGhost
Profile Joined April 2019
United States57 Posts
February 03 2022 20:10 GMT
#9
Zest is best. He's gonna one up Classic's exit at Blizzcon in 2019 for sure. I'm hoping he can retire as the world champion.
angry_maia
Profile Joined August 2020
332 Posts
February 03 2022 21:14 GMT
#10
I'd love it for Zest to win too! I think he has a decent shot provided someone knocks Serral out as against ANYONE ELSE in the tournament, Zest has good chances (although he's not necessarily a favorite).

To me, the overall favorite is Maru -- I think he's the only one in the tournament that is probably favored head to head against literally anyone else. His worst match-up, TvP is still one that he's absurdly strong in (arguably favored against any protoss) and there aren't that many protoss to really challenge him there.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16126 Posts
February 03 2022 21:18 GMT
#11
Why are you even making a poll for this one? The answer is fucking obvious.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
February 03 2022 23:48 GMT
#12
Group D for sure. Group B is a reasonably close second, and Groups A and C are virtually equal to one another and tied for a distant third place. Having said that though, all four are still reasonably close together, with the average rating for the strongest and the average rating for the weakest only separated by about ~80 ELO, per Aligulac.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain886 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-04 00:13:39
February 04 2022 00:13 GMT
#13
The group where herO lands after destroying his RO24 bracket is going to be the group of death.
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honorablemacroterran
Profile Joined January 2022
188 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-04 02:11:20
February 04 2022 02:10 GMT
#14
I think it's amazing the amount of copium people have to be on to say that Group B and Group D are comparably competitive.
AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
February 04 2022 02:28 GMT
#15
Wondering how Neeb will perform, hopefully it's good
Faker is the GOAT!
tigera6
Profile Joined March 2021
3516 Posts
February 04 2022 04:07 GMT
#16
Group D has the highest amount of talent overall, but I think group C is literally the group where ANY player can be eliminated from the group stage, including Trap and Zest given that Lambo, HM and Bunny are pretty great in vP matchup.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9055 Posts
February 05 2022 03:50 GMT
#17
Still no date for the RO36?
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-05 04:00:58
February 05 2022 04:00 GMT
#18
On February 04 2022 11:10 honorablemacroterran wrote:
I think it's amazing the amount of copium people have to be on to say that Group B and Group D are comparably competitive.


Eh... per Aligulac (as of 02/04)

Group D – Maru (3354), Reynor (3193), Clem (3099), Zoun (2739), Scarlett (2657)
Group B – Serral (3325), Dark (3191), ShoWTimE (3021), TIME (2743), SpeCial (2613)

Average Elo of 3008 and 2978, respectively.

Group C – Zest (3116), HeRoMaRinE (2963), Trap (2880), Bunny (2868), Lambo (2798)
Group A – Rogue (3131), Cure (3043), Solar (3030), Dream (2732), Neeb (2665)

Average Elo of 2925 and 2920, respectively.

Not sure what 'copium' is, but I think it's fair to say that while Group D is definitely the hardest, Group B is closer to being as hard as Group D than Groups C and A are to being as hard as Group B. Depends on what you mean by competitive though, I guess...
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
February 05 2022 04:07 GMT
#19
On February 05 2022 12:50 Garnet wrote:
Still no date for the RO36?

02/23 I believe
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
honorablemacroterran
Profile Joined January 2022
188 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-02-05 05:21:58
February 05 2022 04:56 GMT
#20
On February 05 2022 13:00 kochanfe wrote:
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On February 04 2022 11:10 honorablemacroterran wrote:
I think it's amazing the amount of copium people have to be on to say that Group B and Group D are comparably competitive.


Eh... per Aligulac (as of 02/04)

Group D – Maru (3354), Reynor (3193), Clem (3099), Zoun (2739), Scarlett (2657)
Group B – Serral (3325), Dark (3191), ShoWTimE (3021), TIME (2743), SpeCial (2613)

Average Elo of 3008 and 2978, respectively.

Group C – Zest (3116), HeRoMaRinE (2963), Trap (2880), Bunny (2868), Lambo (2798)
Group A – Rogue (3131), Cure (3043), Solar (3030), Dream (2732), Neeb (2665)

Average Elo of 2925 and 2920, respectively.

Not sure what 'copium' is, but I think it's fair to say that while Group D is definitely the hardest, Group B is closer to being as hard as Group D than Groups C and A are to being as hard as Group B. Depends on what you mean by competitive though, I guess...


Aligulac is shit. It predicted that MaxPax was favored over PartinG 5 months ago when I was playing with it, and when PartinG was a Ro4 GSL player and MaxPax wasn't as good as he is now. You should go by the points that were created to qualify people for this event. The ratings in your own post discredit Aligulac as far as I'm concerned without going after any individual players when it's not their fault. Suffice to say, it systematically overrates Europeans relative to Koreans.
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