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Waxangel
United States33144 Posts
INnoVation revealed on Ryung's stream that he will be beginning his mandatory military service in the near future, with the World Team League playoffs likely to be his final competitive event. According to INnoVation, he had received barely a month's notice on his exact enlistment date. INnoVation said he was not considering a return to StarCraft II after completing his eighteen-month service, citing his age. 
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sneakyfox
8216 Posts
Hope Inno has a good performance in the WTL this weekend to go out in style. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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QOGQOG
824 Posts
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jpg06051992
United States580 Posts
I'm okay with it, Innovation was so dominant for so long and gave us all so many amazing series, good luck to you in this next phase of life sir. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2428 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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TheOneAboveU
Germany3367 Posts
Also going to be interesting what KaiZi Gaming will/can do to replace him, as they'll be a player short come next season of WTL. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
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Poopi
France12761 Posts
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2209 Posts
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guguji
8 Posts
It's time to play the song again player.bilibili.com | ||
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tigera6
3214 Posts
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
He will for sure always be remembered! | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24224 Posts
Although this actually hits me less than some other military departures, it hasn’t felt for a while now that Inno is motivated enough to play at the level he’s shown at the past. I’ll miss him and his smirk for sure, one of my favourite players but the prospect of The Machine continuing on his current trajectory into being just another good Terran is more painful to my sensibilities. | ||
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XDEKSDEEXD
622 Posts
 Well, we will all remember him as arguably the GOAT | ||
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HeroSandro
521 Posts
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angerhermit
China5 Posts
Cao Cao Fights In Xiapi; Lu Bu Perishes At The White Gate Tower. GL\GG | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
The best there ever was leave us. I wish him the best in the future, he clearly wasn't quite dedicated to SC2 in the last few years, but hopefully he can pop in from time to time after his military to say hello. | ||
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TaKeTV
Germany1198 Posts
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parksonsc
175 Posts
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Aeceus
United Kingdom1278 Posts
On July 09 2021 16:05 RPR_Tempest wrote: A contender for GOAT. Will be missed and the scene will never be quite the same. If he had continued the last 2-3 years how he did in the previous 4-5 then sure, but I think he is out of the discussion now. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
On July 09 2021 22:44 Aeceus wrote: If he had continued the last 2-3 years how he did in the previous 4-5 then sure, but I think he is out of the discussion now. Maru has a much stronger claim to GOAT but apart from him INno's consistency and longevity are unmatched IMO | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13963 Posts
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Gescom
Canada3320 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
INnoVation said he was not considering a return to StarCraft II after completing his eighteen-month service, citing his age. Oof Thanks for the memories and the absolutely incredible games. What a long and storied career this machine has had | ||
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Circumstance
United States11403 Posts
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nostrasbeefs
29 Posts
. hope you come back as strong and cool as we know you, take care inno <3 | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13963 Posts
On July 10 2021 04:14 Bagration wrote: Oof Thanks for the memories and the absolutely incredible games. What a long and storied career this machine has had Allegedly Inno kinda hates the game. Just played because he was naturally good at it. | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8988 Posts
On July 10 2021 05:37 Cricketer12 wrote: Allegedly Inno kinda hates the game. Just played because he was naturally good at it. He used to play an insane amount during his early days if I remember the rumors him right, definitely cruised on the skills he acquired for years at the end though. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On July 10 2021 05:37 Cricketer12 wrote: Allegedly Inno kinda hates the game. Just played because he was naturally good at it. Not that big of a surprise - things aren't as fun when you have to do it for several hours a day, as opposed to just playing because you wanted to Ultimately, for a lot of these guys SC2 was a job (and for guys like Innovation, a pretty lucrative job at that) | ||
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Topin
Peru10040 Posts
Taeja vs Inno never forget | ||
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[Phantom]
Mexico2170 Posts
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RandomPlayer
Russian Federation381 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 11 2021 03:06 RandomPlayer wrote: no one leaves SC2 forever. he will soon find out he's not qualified to do anything else and will come back. Considering the army will release him roughly after the Blizzard's deal with ESL ends, he may return to BW. It won't be unheard of - e.g. Rain, Soulkey, ForGG. If he dislikes the game... In the end he may already know Blizz won't make another deal, or expects there won't be any other deal and he thinks there's nothing to return to. | ||
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TheSayo182
Italy243 Posts
good luck and hope to see him again playing..maybe in the next best rts | ||
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Bijan
United States286 Posts
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luxon
United States109 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
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yoshi245
United States2969 Posts
Bummed he won't be returning to play SC2 after service either. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15876 Posts
On July 09 2021 22:44 Aeceus wrote: If he had continued the last 2-3 years how he did in the previous 4-5 then sure, but I think he is out of the discussion now. Because of recency bias? Rogue has been a championship contender for a much shorter timespan and most people think he's a contender. I still pick Maru over Inno but I don't think there's a large gap and I don't think it's unreasonable to call Inno the Goat when you look at his achievements. | ||
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Howard_Kao
China261 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24224 Posts
On July 11 2021 22:36 Charoisaur wrote: Because of recency bias? Rogue has been a championship contender for a much shorter timespan and most people think he's a contender. I still pick Maru over Inno but I don't think there's a large gap and I don't think it's unreasonable to call Inno the Goat when you look at his achievements. Yeah, there’s nobody in the scene at this stage who has come close to keeping their top shape for the majority of SC2’s lifespan, so it is very much trying to cast your mind back to different eras. Inno is one of those players who was bloody terrifying to behold and one of very, very few who IMO had a period as the outright best player in the world. Regardless of what was won, and he also won bloody plenty. I can’t think of many, Mvp had a period where yes, he wasn’t winning everything but he just was the best SC2 player and shaping how Terran was played, with his combo of being mechanically ahead of the field and no dummy strategically either. Perhaps others will disagree but that first period of Inno hitting his stride, he was just the best player in the world, and that’s definitely got to count for something in GOAT discussions. Especially when, generally these things are measured more in cumulated achievement over many years. Bear in mind many of us had been watching SC2 for a while, the game was pretty fleshed out and I just vividly recall a ‘what is this? This guy is a fucking monster’ and being blown away by Inno once he got rolling. Maru has probably had that mantle at some point, I think Serral during his monster year and a bit, Life at his peak too. | ||
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atrox_
United Kingdom1708 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 11 2021 22:36 Charoisaur wrote: Because of recency bias? Rogue has been a championship contender for a much shorter timespan and most people think he's a contender. I still pick Maru over Inno but I don't think there's a large gap and I don't think it's unreasonable to call Inno the Goat when you look at his achievements. I wouldn't say it's a recency bias, Rogue won huge accolades, that's why. | ||
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tommey.liang
United States361 Posts
P.S. it’d be nice if there was a running thread of retired SC2 pros and “where are they now,” but understand they become private citizens at that point. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10301 Posts
On July 12 2021 21:09 tommey.liang wrote: P.S. it’d be nice if there was a running thread of retired SC2 pros and “where are they now,”. I second this. | ||
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Balnazza
Germany1086 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15876 Posts
On July 12 2021 21:09 tommey.liang wrote: arguably a top-10 greatest SC2 player of all time please edit this, it's insulting | ||
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Terrorbladder
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tommey.liang
United States361 Posts
You have INno in top 10, though??? | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15876 Posts
he's at least top 3 and not "arguably in top 10" | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13963 Posts
Arguably top 10 seriously underrates his accomplishments/talent | ||
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tommey.liang
United States361 Posts
Add in recently the likes of Maru, Stats, Zest, Serral, maybe Dark, maybe ByuN. That's already eight-nine top players, so INno is in my top 10 of all-time, but not top five. Sadly I just wasn't there to witness INnoVation winning four GSL titles, but I'm sure he makes the case for top 3, definitely that if we go according to prize money earned. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2428 Posts
On July 14 2021 04:43 tommey.liang wrote: To each their own. Most of my SC2 progaming viewing was during the Wings of Liberty era, so I'm skewed toward Mvp, NesTea, MC, MarineKing being the first four of seven (not in order) spots. (and yes, I know I wrote "all time" in my original post). My SC2 viewing is from 2010-2012 and 2019 to now. Add in recently the likes of Maru, Stats, Zest, Serral, maybe Dark, maybe ByuN. That's already eight-nine top players, so INno is in my top 10 of all-time, but not top five. Sadly I just wasn't there to witness INnoVation winning four GSL titles, but I'm sure he makes the case for top 3, definitely that if we go according to prize money earned. Also, Rogue not in top 10 is really questionable. That guy won tone of accolades and completed resume (=grand slam records) which others might not achieve in their life, even to extend of rewriting the history being the only GOAT of offline BO7 series. | ||
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tommey.liang
United States361 Posts
On July 14 2021 05:17 swarminfestor wrote: Also, Rogue not in top 10 is really questionable. That guy won tone of accolades and completed resume (=grand slam records) which others might not achieve in their life, even to extend of rewriting the history being the only GOAT of offline BO7 series. Oh yeah for sure. I do not disagree with you there. Reminder: There are only so many pros you can remember to include on a post. I see in your signature you are a Rogue and Maru fanboy, which is understandable as both are commendable, respectable, interstellar players. Their achievements are out of this world. I think we need to be cognizant that this is an online forum for SC2 discussion at the end of the day and different perspectives and opinions of players are expected. Nitpicking what one poster said such as "Wow you have him in top 10, but not in top 5? Shame on you" is pretty condescending and discourages new users from posting. If I'm being too serious, I think what others are thinking of my thinking is too serious. (lol) Now if there was a lesser-known or lesser player included in the top 10, that deserves more alarm. Won't name any to not belittle anyone. +1 for another post for me, I suppose. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24224 Posts
On July 14 2021 05:39 tommey.liang wrote: Oh yeah for sure. I do not disagree with you there. Reminder: There are only so many pros you can remember to include on a post. I see in your signature you are a Rogue and Maru fanboy, which is understandable as both are commendable, respectable, interstellar players. Their achievements are out of this world. I think we need to be cognizant that this is an online forum for SC2 discussion at the end of the day and different perspectives and opinions of players are expected. Nitpicking what one poster said such as "Wow you have him in top 10, but not in top 5? Shame on you" is pretty condescending and discourages new users from posting. If I'm being too serious, I think what others are thinking of my thinking is too serious. (lol) Now if there was a lesser-known or lesser player included in the top 10, that deserves more alarm. Won't name any to not belittle anyone. +1 for another post for me, I suppose. Sure people jumped on you a bit much for that. It is an Innovation military/retirement thread so, while understandable given you missed his best years, probably not the wisest to come in and say a guy most have in top 3-GOAT is ‘arguably top 10’. Would be like me saying ‘hey I haven’t watched tennis for 20 years but this Roger Federer guy is arguably in the top 10’ in a thread full of Federer fans Anyway do stick around, we’re a nice bunch mostly! | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On July 14 2021 04:43 tommey.liang wrote: To each their own. Most of my SC2 progaming viewing was during the Wings of Liberty era, so I'm skewed toward Mvp, NesTea, MC, MarineKing being the first four of seven (not in order) spots. (and yes, I know I wrote "all time" in my original post). My SC2 viewing is from 2010-2012 and 2019 to now. Add in recently the likes of Maru, Stats, Zest, Serral, maybe Dark, maybe ByuN. That's already eight-nine top players, so INno is in my top 10 of all-time, but not top five. Sadly I just wasn't there to witness INnoVation winning four GSL titles, but I'm sure he makes the case for top 3, definitely that if we go according to prize money earned. Let's make it easy for you. Innovation basically reached Mvp's accolades and has more ,Maru overtook him so fast Mvp saw just blur Rogue won multiple world championship and some code S titles.In the lamen terms - Inno, Maru and Rogue won more than Mvp. If there's Mvp on the list there has to be these three. Unless you're making the list of Koreans with a German nickname, Jürgen is the only one?  | ||
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tommey.liang
United States361 Posts
On July 14 2021 19:11 deacon.frost wrote: Let's make it easy for you. Innovation basically reached Mvp's accolades and has more ,Maru overtook him so fast Mvp saw just blur Rogue won multiple world championship and some code S titles.In the lamen terms - Inno, Maru and Rogue won more than Mvp. If there's Mvp on the list there has to be these three. Unless you're making the list of Koreans with a German nickname, Jürgen is the only one? Thank you. That is great. I didn't realize my putting "arguably top-10 SC2 player of all-time in INno" in the moment of my post would stir up such controversy. It seems as though Tommey Liang is the focus of this thread in the past seven+ posts, rather than INnoVation aka Lee Shin-hyung. Are we focused on myself, a person who hasn't even played since 2011, nitpicking the order of the greatest players leaving for military on this thread, or expressing/celebrating bittersweet feelings for one of the all-time greats retiring? Does it matter what Tommey's order is??? I hope we can put the *spotlight* back onto INnoVation aka LSH. No need to inflate my importance/perspective anymore. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
And in SC2, it's nice that we don't have a clear consensus GOAT, which spurs some discussions. In Brood War, I think the Flash has ended the discussion long ago on who is the GOAT BW player | ||
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Freeborn
Germany421 Posts
But Innovation was a cornerstone of the sc2 scene, a fixed star at the firmament, the one who dominated the era of korean terran domination. Glory to the machine! | ||
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DSK
England1110 Posts
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Turbovolver
Australia2384 Posts
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
Good luck in the military and thanks for being a staple of the StarCraft community. | ||
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Xamo
Spain876 Posts
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umniij
Brazil56 Posts
![[image loading]](https://img.elo7.com.br/product/original/25CF6A7/caderno-decorado-em-eva-coruja.jpg) I still remember to be copying the build orders following the tip of the casters to learn from a person like innovation. Hoping to store the rememberings from the moments this person gave to us with his hardship and commitment. Hope this person can continue inspiring and guiding peoples everywhere he goes, like a mother who decorates the entire book from a children so she can eager to go study with his book again. | ||
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Comedy
453 Posts
We are nearing a year and a half since he left for the military, does anyone have any information if he's playing any SC2 or brood war and plans to return? I really miss Bogus. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On October 18 2022 22:04 Comedy wrote: Sorry to bump this thread, but does anyone know how Innovation is doing? We are nearing a year and a half since he left for the military, does anyone have any information if he's playing any SC2 or brood war and plans to return? I really miss Bogus. Not sure how he's doing, but I think the consensus was that he would not be returning to SC2. | ||
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hamluo
2 Posts
On October 18 2022 22:04 Comedy wrote: Sorry to bump this thread, but does anyone know how Innovation is doing? We are nearing a year and a half since he left for the military, does anyone have any information if he's playing any SC2 or brood war and plans to return? I really miss Bogus. I heard he might join T1 LOL as coach. And Trap said he would not come back after military. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2428 Posts
On October 19 2022 01:42 hamluo wrote: I heard he might join T1 LOL as coach. And Trap said he would not come back after military. Is that true? But, many ex Sc players claimed before that they won't return. Ultimately, they returned afterwards. | ||
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Blargh
United States2101 Posts
On October 19 2022 01:42 hamluo wrote: I heard he might join T1 LOL as coach. And Trap said he would not come back after military. His younger brother is their AD carry, so it doesn't seem too unusual, but I sure bet that'd be an awkward dynamic! | ||
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Riner1212
United States337 Posts
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On October 19 2022 14:34 Blargh wrote: His younger brother is their AD carry, so it doesn't seem too unusual, but I sure bet that'd be an awkward dynamic! "lil bro your apm sucks. have you seen my parade pushes?" | ||
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