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ByuN to begin wrist treatment

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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33347 Posts
April 13 2021 17:08 GMT
#1
(Wiki)ByuN has tweeted that he will seek treatment for his wrists, which have been plagued by chronic pain and numbness for several years. Though ByuN's wrist issue has rarely been an issue in online competition, it has flared up in his last four GSL matches in the AfreecaTV studio (ByuN lost each time).



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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12792 Posts
April 13 2021 17:12 GMT
#2
That's a great news, hopefully he can heal up properly, his GSL matches were more and more worrying.
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vyzion
Profile Joined August 2016
308 Posts
April 13 2021 17:37 GMT
#3
Glad to hear it! Very curious about what the issue is and why it seems to flare up during GSL events more than online at home. In some ways it's a blessing in disguise that there are so many online tournaments during the time he returned
digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
April 13 2021 17:49 GMT
#4
So TLO in WTL then?
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33347 Posts
April 13 2021 17:54 GMT
#5
On April 14 2021 02:37 vyzion wrote:
Glad to hear it! Very curious about what the issue is and why it seems to flare up during GSL events more than online at home. In some ways it's a blessing in disguise that there are so many online tournaments during the time he returned


well ByuN himself has suggested it could be stress or the discomfort of playing on a different chair/desk setup in the studio
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CatheadSC2
Profile Joined September 2020
26 Posts
April 13 2021 18:41 GMT
#6
Very excited to hear this! His last elimination was particularly sad and it was a scary pattern to see without knowing anything about treatment (though of course his medical stuff is his business, the mid-game pauses were hard to ignore).
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-13 18:56:37
April 13 2021 18:56 GMT
#7
On April 14 2021 02:49 digmouse wrote:
So TLO in WTL then?

TLO hexagon hype!!!

On April 14 2021 02:08 Waxangel wrote:
(Wiki)ByuN has tweeted that he will seek treatment for his wrists, which have been plagued by chronic pain and numbness for several years. Though ByuN's wrist issue has rarely been an issue in online competition, it has flared up in his last four GSL outings in the AfreecaTV studio (ByuN lost his match each time).

https://twitter.com/SC2ByuN/status/1381982417150353408


Finally. I hope it wasn't too late.
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Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
April 13 2021 19:36 GMT
#8
Very good news! I wish him the best!
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Liquid`TLO
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Germany767 Posts
April 13 2021 21:54 GMT
#9
On April 14 2021 02:49 digmouse wrote:
So TLO in WTL then?


Maybe some time but Byun will still compete while getting treatment. I've made it clear he can take breaks whenever but he hasn't had any problems playing WTL so far.
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tommey.liang
Profile Joined November 2020
United States362 Posts
April 14 2021 00:10 GMT
#10
Saw this news earlier -- hope he has a successful treatment and recovery, and that it can be permanently fixed.
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DarkGamer
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany322 Posts
April 14 2021 07:59 GMT
#11
good news!
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
April 14 2021 09:39 GMT
#12
On April 14 2021 06:54 Liquid`TLO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2021 02:49 digmouse wrote:
So TLO in WTL then?


Maybe some time but Byun will still compete while getting treatment. I've made it clear he can take breaks whenever but he hasn't had any problems playing WTL so far.

And the hexagon hype is over :D
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blunderfulguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2016
United States1415 Posts
April 15 2021 03:57 GMT
#13
I hope height adjustable desks become standard for offline games. We're so overdue for that, SC2 is almost entirely a 1v1 game and we've known about this stuff for sooo long. Or higher standards for chairs, or just having a few extra chairs around that can be adjusted a little bit higher, something.

I'm not the only one that think it's still odd that players and teams don't stipulate certain desk and chair heights in order to play when it comes down to risking short and long term injury, right?
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Torrathyr
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada95 Posts
April 17 2021 07:57 GMT
#14
Wait, does the GSL setup not have an adjustable desk? C'mon, for being the "Global standard" for "the most competitive 1v1 game" you'd think they'd have the best set-up available to players.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-19 14:29:15
April 19 2021 14:25 GMT
#15
On April 17 2021 16:57 Torrathyr wrote:
Wait, does the GSL setup not have an adjustable desk? C'mon, for being the "Global standard" for "the most competitive 1v1 game" you'd think they'd have the best set-up available to players.

Moving desks would break up the studio set up. This is the big problem when the television comes in place.

On April 15 2021 12:57 blunderfulguy wrote:
I hope height adjustable desks become standard for offline games. We're so overdue for that, SC2 is almost entirely a 1v1 game and we've known about this stuff for sooo long. Or higher standards for chairs, or just having a few extra chairs around that can be adjusted a little bit higher, something.

I'm not the only one that think it's still odd that players and teams don't stipulate certain desk and chair heights in order to play when it comes down to risking short and long term injury, right?

Uh, you realize that the gaming chairs are actually worse than the best ergonomic office chairs? But hey, I would love to see gamers playing on the best ergonomy as well, so maybe they will change that.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-20 08:39:27
April 20 2021 07:52 GMT
#16
On April 19 2021 23:25 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2021 16:57 Torrathyr wrote:
Wait, does the GSL setup not have an adjustable desk? C'mon, for being the "Global standard" for "the most competitive 1v1 game" you'd think they'd have the best set-up available to players.

Moving desks would break up the studio set up. This is the big problem when the television comes in place.

Show nested quote +
On April 15 2021 12:57 blunderfulguy wrote:
I hope height adjustable desks become standard for offline games. We're so overdue for that, SC2 is almost entirely a 1v1 game and we've known about this stuff for sooo long. Or higher standards for chairs, or just having a few extra chairs around that can be adjusted a little bit higher, something.

I'm not the only one that think it's still odd that players and teams don't stipulate certain desk and chair heights in order to play when it comes down to risking short and long term injury, right?

Uh, you realize that the gaming chairs are actually worse than the best ergonomic office chairs? But hey, I would love to see gamers playing on the best ergonomy as well, so maybe they will change that.


Honest opinion: If you cannot even play for an hour without debilitating pain in your wrist and you are the only player in the competition to which this happens, then the problem is your wrist and not the environment even if the latter is suboptimal.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25071 Posts
April 20 2021 13:16 GMT
#17
On April 20 2021 16:52 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2021 23:25 deacon.frost wrote:
On April 17 2021 16:57 Torrathyr wrote:
Wait, does the GSL setup not have an adjustable desk? C'mon, for being the "Global standard" for "the most competitive 1v1 game" you'd think they'd have the best set-up available to players.

Moving desks would break up the studio set up. This is the big problem when the television comes in place.

On April 15 2021 12:57 blunderfulguy wrote:
I hope height adjustable desks become standard for offline games. We're so overdue for that, SC2 is almost entirely a 1v1 game and we've known about this stuff for sooo long. Or higher standards for chairs, or just having a few extra chairs around that can be adjusted a little bit higher, something.

I'm not the only one that think it's still odd that players and teams don't stipulate certain desk and chair heights in order to play when it comes down to risking short and long term injury, right?

Uh, you realize that the gaming chairs are actually worse than the best ergonomic office chairs? But hey, I would love to see gamers playing on the best ergonomy as well, so maybe they will change that.


Honest opinion: If you cannot even play for an hour without debilitating pain in your wrist and you are the only player in the competition to which this happens, then the problem is your wrist and not the environment even if the latter is suboptimal.

Some accommodation is still in order, it’s a pretty minor issue to resolve. Given Byun doesn’t seem to have these issues as badly on his own setup, at least give the option to replicate that.

Ultimately it was only through discussions on Byun’s issues I even found out the GSL wasn’t really doing this, which was a genuine surprise not just in terms of injuries and comfort.

Players already have that psychological pressure of being in the booth, within reason they should be able to mirror their preferred setups in order to deliver the best gameplay they’re able to.

Aside from that if accommodations have been made and you can’t smoothly make it through a day’s play, then you’re like any other sports star who is carrying an injury and not fit to play.
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warnull
Profile Joined February 2016
United States280 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-20 15:52:37
April 20 2021 15:46 GMT
#18
On April 20 2021 16:52 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2021 23:25 deacon.frost wrote:
On April 17 2021 16:57 Torrathyr wrote:
Wait, does the GSL setup not have an adjustable desk? C'mon, for being the "Global standard" for "the most competitive 1v1 game" you'd think they'd have the best set-up available to players.

Moving desks would break up the studio set up. This is the big problem when the television comes in place.

On April 15 2021 12:57 blunderfulguy wrote:
I hope height adjustable desks become standard for offline games. We're so overdue for that, SC2 is almost entirely a 1v1 game and we've known about this stuff for sooo long. Or higher standards for chairs, or just having a few extra chairs around that can be adjusted a little bit higher, something.

I'm not the only one that think it's still odd that players and teams don't stipulate certain desk and chair heights in order to play when it comes down to risking short and long term injury, right?

Uh, you realize that the gaming chairs are actually worse than the best ergonomic office chairs? But hey, I would love to see gamers playing on the best ergonomy as well, so maybe they will change that.


Honest opinion: If you cannot even play for an hour without debilitating pain in your wrist and you are the only player in the competition to which this happens, then the problem is your wrist and not the environment even if the latter is suboptimal.


- Almost all top pros have documented injuries with their wrists or shoulders.
- Byun wrist problems that show up at GSL do not appear at home.

Keep in mind that these players are operating at peak performance with insanely high APMs for long periods. It's not surprising that a hastily assembled chair/desk setup wouldn't be suitable for some of them.

In my opinion GSL should provide a playing environment that can sustain the level of effort the players put out. GSL would not be as prestigious if Byun were excluded because its physical setup is a health hazard for him.

Scarlett has mentioned some of the problems with the GSL environment in an earlier post:
https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/571101-gsl-2021-code-a-day-two?page=3#46
lechatnoir
Profile Joined November 2016
386 Posts
April 20 2021 17:08 GMT
#19
With TLO involved we can be certain it will be taken seriously by the team, always a plus. Best wishes!
ReZero
Profile Joined April 2019
United Kingdom29 Posts
April 21 2021 00:54 GMT
#20
I think ByuN may also need psychological treatment. His mental activities during offline games may also make him nervous and cause the injury to relapse.
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