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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
February 19 2020 16:21 GMT
#41
can someone elaborate on why mech is broken?

I can barely buy wins lategame vs. z with mech

(inb4bad)
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tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-19 16:44:19
February 19 2020 16:43 GMT
#42
We just saw Serral systematically dissect Innovation's mech in Nation Wars with yoinks and spikes that shoot out from underground (the physics of this still eludes me). So what mistakes did Innovation commit in that game? Seems like Serral is trying to bait his opponents to play mech against him, so that he can rip them apart. (joking)

Fun interview, by the way. Very nice reveal of Serral's thoughts about the game.
ThxSub~
Profile Joined September 2018
17 Posts
February 19 2020 16:51 GMT
#43
On February 19 2020 22:00 InfCereal wrote:
Show nested quote +
We always relied on mistakes, that's Zerg's whole soul.


God reading Serral say this is so vindicating. I've been tooting that horn for almost a decade.

it was a joke by him I think
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
February 19 2020 16:57 GMT
#44
I never thought Serral interviews were bad, but now they are honestly the best. Great work!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Xamo
Profile Joined April 2012
Spain886 Posts
February 19 2020 17:34 GMT
#45
Very good interview, informative and fun at the same time.

Korean terrans not publicly playing mech is not surprising, in fact I think it is an intelligent move if mech is more powerful. They do not want Serral and other european Zergs to study their best option, and/or Blizzard to start considering nerfs. If it is really the best option, we'll see it in Katowice.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13018 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-19 17:45:39
February 19 2020 17:45 GMT
#46
On February 20 2020 02:34 Xamo wrote:
Very good interview, informative and fun at the same time.

Korean terrans not publicly playing mech is not surprising, in fact I think it is an intelligent move if mech is more powerful. They do not want Serral and other european Zergs to study their best option, and/or Blizzard to start considering nerfs. If it is really the best option, we'll see it in Katowice.

I thought about that at first, but I concluded it can't be that because if mech is really op, they wouldn't bother hiding it since even if the zerg opponent knows it's coming, he has fewer chances of winning, right?
So if terrans want to "hide" their mech by not playing it in tournaments with some cashprize (although relatively small), in fear of it being countered at IEM Katowice otherwise, then it's not op.

Like do you remember pros avoiding playing nyduses+swarm host or whatever last year in online tournaments? I don't think so.
WriterMaru
vyzion
Profile Joined August 2016
308 Posts
February 19 2020 18:33 GMT
#47
Serral sees the game as it should be - an adaptive complex system. He's got a 30,000 foot view of the game and doesn't do balance whine because the game is not based on fixed scenarios or finite comparisons...there are too many other factors at play. I.E. zerg is meant to capitalize on the opponent's mistakes. humans are not perfect and therefore perfect balance is currently not possible, we can only get close and it sounds like to Serral we are already there.
vyzion
Profile Joined August 2016
308 Posts
February 19 2020 18:35 GMT
#48
On February 19 2020 22:26 LTCM wrote:
Three zerg interviews in a row. Surprising, the same number of consecutive world championships by Zerg.

Any chance we can get you to open your mind to other races as well? They do still exist, at least outside of the winners circle that is.


lmao so passive aggressive, lighten up there isn't some kind of conspiracy theory going on here
Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
February 19 2020 19:08 GMT
#49
how is mech broken? just mass infestors and neural?
Sjow "pretty ez life as protoss"
Hunta15
Profile Joined April 2014
United States81 Posts
February 19 2020 19:23 GMT
#50
On February 20 2020 04:08 Riner1212 wrote:
how is mech broken? just mass infestors and neural?


I love simplistic comments like this.

Just make zealots and WIN.
Just make infestors and WIN.
Just make BC's and WIN.

Easy.
tigon_ridge
Profile Joined March 2019
482 Posts
February 19 2020 19:25 GMT
#51
On February 20 2020 04:08 Riner1212 wrote:
how is mech broken? just mass infestors and neural?

Infestors; vipers and lurkers; and swarmhosts and broodlords. Serral hasn't yet done the first one, but has done the latter two and been successful against Innovation and Cure's mech builds. Since Serral has chalked this down to those players having made costly mistakes, it makes me wonder if he'll be as lucky in the future once Terrans have their mech-based plays fully hammered out. Exciting times we're in!
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 19 2020 19:50 GMT
#52
On February 20 2020 01:51 ThxSub~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2020 22:00 InfCereal wrote:
We always relied on mistakes, that's Zerg's whole soul.


God reading Serral say this is so vindicating. I've been tooting that horn for almost a decade.

it was a joke by him I think

Why would be a joke, it's a general principle of any RTS, certainly true for SC, and most prevalent among races/play-styles that tend to favor longer games
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-02-19 20:23:37
February 19 2020 20:22 GMT
#53
On February 20 2020 04:50 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2020 01:51 ThxSub~ wrote:
On February 19 2020 22:00 InfCereal wrote:
We always relied on mistakes, that's Zerg's whole soul.


God reading Serral say this is so vindicating. I've been tooting that horn for almost a decade.

it was a joke by him I think

Why would be a joke, it's a general principle of any RTS, certainly true for SC, and most prevalent among races/play-styles that tend to favor longer games

Well it's a bit hard not to take it as a joke when in the same answer he says Zerg never had answers to the other races in late game and could never win after 2019. And that he would have never won anything if people didn't fuck up all the time.

Also the Korean Terrans don't play mech every game because they don't think it's actually that much better (if at all) than bio. And since no big offline events have happened in months, all you can base meta comments on is online cups. And the meta there has some swings every other week.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Asunanas
Profile Joined April 2011
53 Posts
February 19 2020 21:33 GMT
#54
Isn't it usually just "don't die?"

That's pretty good advice, isn't it?


How did I never think of this before?

Thanks for the interview ^_^
Snijjer
Profile Joined September 2011
United States989 Posts
February 19 2020 23:19 GMT
#55
It's nice to hear from him, I was wondering what was going on with him since he hasn't been in any tournament recently.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27368 Posts
February 19 2020 23:43 GMT
#56
On February 20 2020 05:22 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2020 04:50 Geo.Rion wrote:
On February 20 2020 01:51 ThxSub~ wrote:
On February 19 2020 22:00 InfCereal wrote:
We always relied on mistakes, that's Zerg's whole soul.


God reading Serral say this is so vindicating. I've been tooting that horn for almost a decade.

it was a joke by him I think

Why would be a joke, it's a general principle of any RTS, certainly true for SC, and most prevalent among races/play-styles that tend to favor longer games

Well it's a bit hard not to take it as a joke when in the same answer he says Zerg never had answers to the other races in late game and could never win after 2019. And that he would have never won anything if people didn't fuck up all the time.

Also the Korean Terrans don't play mech every game because they don't think it's actually that much better (if at all) than bio. And since no big offline events have happened in months, all you can base meta comments on is online cups. And the meta there has some swings every other week.

He’s never generally really been the most cocky person in his answers, in general Serral trends towards the falsely modest camp.

Maybe he does actually believe it though, many high-achievers can greatly underplay their own chops and perhaps it stops them from being complacent.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
sugarmuffinpuff
Profile Joined October 2014
Canada39 Posts
February 20 2020 01:41 GMT
#57
Loving these interviews, wax!
nonoproblem
Profile Joined February 2020
1 Post
February 20 2020 08:48 GMT
#58
Where can I buy this shirt
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
February 20 2020 16:50 GMT
#59
This must be a bait. Serral's viper control is bloody ridiculous. Combined with his map awareness I can't see anyone reliably beating him with mech.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3548 Posts
February 20 2020 18:17 GMT
#60
Thors are OP vs massive air that's basically it. So you should win with Broods on tempo play, or win with Lurkers instead.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
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