EPTDark, soO advance to Global Finals Ro8 - Page 2
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On October 25 2019 03:32 Majick wrote: So when KR Zerg wins vs ShowTimE or Special in 2019, the main reason is because Zerg is imba? How about Dark/soO are simply better players than ShoWTimE/Special? Is it a news to anybody? In what universe would ShoWTimE/Special be favored here? Since when Dark needs balance on his side to win vs ShoWTimE? And if Zerg is so OP, why it wasn't a 3-0 for Dark? Current level of whine on these forums is so childish and overreacted it's becoming really painful to read. I am not implying balance is perfect right now, but some people are acting like every Zerg victory is due to balance issues. Showtime wasnt favored, but he played like a complete beast. He outplayed Dark imo. Surprising, I know, given Dark's showings against Korea's best Protoss players, but that's what happened. I was completely blown away by showtime's play vs Dark. Dark's nydus abuse was disgusting. Since nydus is probably going to get a heavy nerfed after Blizzcon, I think it's safe to say that Dark won because balance was on his side. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On October 25 2019 02:49 MarianoSC2 wrote: I think its going to be 3, with Rogue being the 3rd one. But maybe Serral will surprise me again 5 elazer will be the only to miss out | ||
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Veluvian
Bulgaria256 Posts
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Kafka777
361 Posts
5 elazer will be the only to miss out Elazer will be first in his group. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On October 25 2019 06:40 BerserkSword wrote: Showtime wasnt favored, but he played like a complete beast. He outplayed Dark imo. Surprising, I know, given Dark's showings against Korea's best Protoss players, but that's what happened. I was completely blown away by showtime's play vs Dark. Dark's nydus abuse was disgusting. Since nydus is probably going to get a heavy nerfed after Blizzcon, I think it's safe to say that Dark won because balance was on his side. I don’t dispute that Dark is the better player historically but Showtime brought some really strong play today, and Dark didn’t look as good as he did during his GSL games. Feels like if balance was a bit less wonky Showtime snipes Dark back to the loser’s match. As it is, it’s a silly matchup. Zerg have so many options to pin Protoss back that require incredible defence while they’re banking and building breathing room, really hard to do. | ||
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leublix
493 Posts
soO seems to be in good form. Neither Special or Showtime could take advantage of his weaknesses. Showtime looked pretty good besides that throw in game 5 against Dark and most of the series against soO. Special just looked bad (I was half asleep for some of the games though). Imo he shouldve been able to beat soO. | ||
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ThunderJunk
United States741 Posts
I don’t dispute that Dark is the better player historically but Showtime brought some really strong play today, and Dark didn’t look as good as he did during his GSL games. Feels like if balance was a bit less wonky Showtime snipes Dark back to the loser’s match. Here I must disagree with you. The nydus worms that were denied bit about 300/300 into Dark's economy. He was comfortably banking enough money to where if the nydus worms costed more, they would not have come in handy at cost to him that did not totally drain his bank, and what ollowed was a battle that bashed Showtime's army, leaving a supply disparity that would have given protoss just a little more room to recover... But Dark was so comfortably ahead in that situation that it really was the beginning of the end, despite continued success with destruction of the nydus worms. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
On October 25 2019 08:01 ThunderJunk wrote: Here I must disagree with you. The nydus worms that were denied bit about 300/300 into Dark's economy. He was comfortably banking enough money to where if the nydus worms costed more, they would not have come in handy at cost to him that did not totally drain his bank, and what ollowed was a battle that bashed Showtime's army, leaving a supply disparity that would have given protoss just a little more room to recover... But Dark was so comfortably ahead in that situation that it really was the beginning of the end, despite continued success with destruction of the nydus worms. We’re not really disagreeing, I think a Dark on form beats Showtime. Current racial balance means even an off-form Dark beats a Showtime playing incredibly well, because of the racial balance, which we kind of saw. In a balanced meta a Dark on good form beats Showtime. A Dark playing a bit below his peak is maybe sniped by a Showtime playing out of his mind though. It’s a broken matchup currently, I don’t feel there’s any bullshitting around this. | ||
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col_jung
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Kafka777
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On October 25 2019 08:08 Wombat_NI wrote: We’re not really disagreeing, I think a Dark on form beats Showtime. Current racial balance means even an off-form Dark beats a Showtime playing incredibly well, because of the racial balance, which we kind of saw. In a balanced meta a Dark on good form beats Showtime. A Dark playing a bit below his peak is maybe sniped by a Showtime playing out of his mind though. It’s a broken matchup currently, I don’t feel there’s any bullshitting around this. we can also say that dark may have dumpstered showtime without using swarm hosts, using totally different strategies - that's possible it's okay to say that dark is better / is favored / deserved to win but also still used a broken, stupid strategy | ||
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Jakroth
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Nakajin
Canada8991 Posts
I say 5 with Reynor missing the cut | ||
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Miralem Ibrahim
40 Posts
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blooblooblahblah
Australia4163 Posts
On October 25 2019 09:50 brickrd wrote: we can also say that dark may have dumpstered showtime without using swarm hosts, using totally different strategies - that's possible it's okay to say that dark is better / is favored / deserved to win but also still used a broken, stupid strategy Well Dark lost every game that he didn't go swarm hosts soo...there's no evidence to suggest he would've dumpster showtime without SH, if anything the evidence suggests otherwise. Anyway, I think these discussions are kinda silly when deciding who "deserves" to win based on what's on paper. Nydus SH seems too strong but realistically Showtime had game 5 and should've won it way before there was ever any SHs in the game. He went from a near un-losable spot to quite behind because of that nydus. In the end, regardless of balance, he had every opportunity to win that series, and he dropped the ball by his own admission. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2634 Posts
On October 25 2019 10:24 Jakroth wrote: Another question is why Dark and Soo were the ones to beat Showtime and Special, rather than TY, Dear, Gumiho, Zest, Innovation, SoS, etc. It's sOs, how do people still mess this up...? | ||
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xeno1234
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