EPTOn March 08 2019 04:10 Elentos wrote:
"ThE nEw nYduS Is jUSt bRoKEn" sounds about right doesn't it?
"ThE nEw nYduS Is jUSt bRoKEn" sounds about right doesn't it?
I'm leaning towards the ever-reliable "Maru doesn't care if it's not GSL."
SC2 Power Rank: March 2019 - Page 2
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Kitai
United States880 Posts
I'm leaning towards the ever-reliable "Maru doesn't care if it's not GSL." | ||
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Elentos
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Elmonti
Spain299 Posts
Having said that, It is said pretty clear that this article reflects the opinion of a group of people, so I'm not gonna dish on anyone just for having a slightly different opinion. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
As impressive as soO's win in the finals was, his 2018 wasn't great, his group stage performance was very shaky, and he still hasn't shown the ability to win games where he has to build a hive. Serral, Stats, Dark, Maru are all still easily ahead of soO imo. | ||
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fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
On March 08 2019 04:37 travis wrote: but the top of the article even says what the criteria are, and that recent results are weighted more heavily - but players are given the benefit of the doubt for consistency over time. Serral has one 2-3 loss in the quarterfinals to the eventual tournament winner, and somehow Soo now has the #1 spot when he wasn't even on the last power rank and the only thing he's done since then is this. Even if we discount everything since before the last power rank Serral has *still* done more than Soo since then. To be clear, me saying it's dishonest isn't an attack on anyone's integrity. I am just saying that maybe people are getting caught up in the moment a little I understand your point. But what data have we to refer to any "consistency over time"? The last serious competition was 3 months and a major patch before IEM. We don't really know what the skill level of most players is. The only viable data is IEM and a few GSL and WCS Winter matches. So, what to we make out of this? Serral played great, yes. But he still lost twice (not only to soO but also to Innovation who bombed out of his group). He isn't only mortal but also actually loses matches which is a difference to the end of 2018. Still, Serral's consistency over time was valued. If it weren't, he wouldn't have been ranked as 2nd based on his tournament performance, considering that Dark and Stats performed better. | ||
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bagstone
8 Posts
soO lost more offline series last week (3) than Serral over the last 10 months (2). Just compare the records, since April 2018: soO 40-18, Serral 47-2. Just sayin'. | ||
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Elentos
55561 Posts
On March 08 2019 05:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I'm not sure why the writer team bothered with the preface: "we've updated our criteria a bit in 2019 to focus more on the big picture than just the past calendar month" when they're going to flat out contradict it by putting soO in first. As impressive as soO's win in the finals was, his 2018 wasn't great, his group stage performance was very shaky, and he still hasn't shown the ability to win games where he has to build a hive. Serral, Stats, Dark, Maru are all still easily ahead of soO imo. They looked at the past 2 calendar months, in which soO has now outperformed all the players you've mentioned in big tournaments. Checkmate  | ||
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bagstone
8 Posts
On March 08 2019 05:17 fronkschnonk wrote: The only viable data is IEM and a few GSL and WCS Winter matches. So, what to we make out of this? Serral played great, yes. But he still lost twice (not only to soO but also to Innovation who bombed out of his group). Serral was already qualified when he lost to inno. Also, you are right that Serral lost twice at IEM - but as I wrote above, soO lost three matches (and none of those was a "showmatch" like serral vs inno). | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 08 2019 05:22 bagstone wrote: Serral was already qualified when he lost to inno. Also, you are right that Serral lost twice at IEM - but as I wrote above, soO lost three matches (and none of those was a "showmatch" like serral vs inno). You could just as easily say that soO never lost when his tournament life was on the line, so clearly he took the serious matches seriously. Contrast Serral. Or that soO won more series at IEM than Serral. Or insert whatever metric that makes Player 1 look better than Player 2, and simultaneously ignore any metric that shows the opposite. Every player has too many qualifications to be called #1 unambiguously. | ||
uThermal
Netherlands165 Posts
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Brutaxilos
United States2631 Posts
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Veluvian
Bulgaria256 Posts
So I guess soO wins with statistics for now and he deserves to be No1. It's just the way I saw how Serral played the other matches in IEM it was scary, really damn scary and perfect. In mirror matches anything could happen and usually the one who wins is not the more skilled (they have equal skill) but the more enduring one. I don't know about other e-sports in details, but in a long late macro game in Starcrat 1/2 we can easily see why this is the most competitive game! | ||
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AskJoshy
United States1625 Posts
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Geo.Rion
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
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Xamo
Spain881 Posts
... but it is ok for me because he is soO, he cannot be #2 this time. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On March 08 2019 06:35 Bagration wrote: If it were anyone but soO, I'd be unhappy about the #1 ranking, but after all the hell this guy has gone through, I'll allow it. Pretty much my feelings. | ||
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Tempest
United States147 Posts
On March 08 2019 04:00 pvsnp wrote: Inb4 "Maru wasn't the best after he got knocked out in the Ro8, but Serral is still the best even though he got knocked out in the Ro8." Would it help if I said most people feel that Serral and Maru should still be Numbers 1 and 2 (or vice versa)? Definitely feel like 1 rough tournament showing isn't enough to bump Maru down from 1/2 to 5, and 1 great tournament showing isn't enough to shoot soO up to 1st from arguably... 9th? 11th? In the grand scheme of things, I agree with Travis and uthermal I think. Super happy for soO, but I think the cards just happened to fall his way, he didn't take control of the cards and bend the game to his will the same way Maru and Serral did last year. Overall good power rank though, glad you guys did this one and hopefully you guys continue them after each major tournament, I think monthly would be too often unless you consulted my 100% foolproof opinion each time  EDIT: if this #1 ranking was done in order to reflect on soO not being number auto number 2 anymore, ill be less butthurt about a partisan power ranking that doesn't affect my life in the slightest. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
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