• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 11:48
CET 17:48
KST 01:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !11Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Team TLMC #5: Winners Announced! What's the best tug of war? The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion How soO Began His ProGaming Dreams Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA)
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB SemiFinals - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB & LB Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
12 Days of Starcraft US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How Does UI/UX Design Influence User Trust?
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
National Diversity: A Challe…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1946 users

Has: Cheese Sells - Road to BlizzCon 2018 (#7) - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
29 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16021 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-16 17:57:08
October 16 2018 17:56 GMT
#21
On October 17 2018 00:26 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2018 23:52 Vendethiel wrote:
On October 16 2018 22:44 travis wrote:
What's even crazier is that he actually gave Serral a run for his money in those finals.

Yeah I don't get the "nothing seemed to work", "one step ahead", "hit a proper wall"... The games were much closer that they should've been.

Which doesn't mean they were any close in the first place ;o.

Nah, in two of those games Has could have easily won if it wasn't for a few critical mistakes.
Even Artosis said after game 4 that the score could have as well been 3-1 for Has at that point.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
October 16 2018 18:08 GMT
#22
On October 17 2018 02:56 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2018 00:26 Ej_ wrote:
On October 16 2018 23:52 Vendethiel wrote:
On October 16 2018 22:44 travis wrote:
What's even crazier is that he actually gave Serral a run for his money in those finals.

Yeah I don't get the "nothing seemed to work", "one step ahead", "hit a proper wall"... The games were much closer that they should've been.

Which doesn't mean they were any close in the first place ;o.

Nah, in two of those games Has could have easily won if it wasn't for a few critical mistakes.
Even Artosis said after game 4 that the score could have as well been 3-1 for Has at that point.

Well yeah that's the point, it was very clear he wasn't at the same level as Serral when it came to playing out games, build orders aside.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
October 16 2018 18:11 GMT
#23
On October 17 2018 02:56 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2018 00:26 Ej_ wrote:
On October 16 2018 23:52 Vendethiel wrote:
On October 16 2018 22:44 travis wrote:
What's even crazier is that he actually gave Serral a run for his money in those finals.

Yeah I don't get the "nothing seemed to work", "one step ahead", "hit a proper wall"... The games were much closer that they should've been.

Which doesn't mean they were any close in the first place ;o.

Nah, in two of those games Has could have easily won if it wasn't for a few critical mistakes.
Even Artosis said after game 4 that the score could have as well been 3-1 for Has at that point.

that finals was pretty crazy too watch
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
October 16 2018 22:10 GMT
#24
I come,I see,I cheese!
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
CxWiLL
Profile Joined May 2013
China830 Posts
October 17 2018 08:12 GMT
#25
On October 17 2018 02:31 xelnaga_empire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2018 01:23 Fango wrote:
He really shouldn't win any games at blizzcon. It should be a legit criticism for pros when they lose to him.

That being said I hope he makes it entertaining.


Has probably has 100x more practice in his weird cheesy scenarios than the typical pro. This is why Serral was afraid of playing Has in the finals. Has fails not because of the larger picture of his strategy, but because his control and micro is not up to par against the best players (Has does make questionable "tactical" decisions at times, but his overall strategy is sound).

Compare Has, to say Stats. When Stats cheesed Serral in the finals of GSL vs the World, Stats has way better control than Has and I believe Stats won the game that he cheesed against Serral. Unfortunately, Stats mostly plays standard so I don't think he has explored all the paths of cheesing that Has has.

Terran and Zerg could be in for a huge surprise at Blizzcon if the top Korean pros come in with massive cheese strategies that Has is using.


what is amazing about has is that not only he has practiced more games in cheesy games, but also he has more experience in cleaning up the shitty condition after a failed cheese.
A lot of players defended has's initial wave of cheese pretty successfully but still failed to some weird mid-to-late game plays.
In one of has's Chinese interview about his late game meta after his amazing run in WCS Valencia. 'When I practice on ladder, A lot of players won't quit even they already lost, so I have to think about some way to bully them.'
BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
October 17 2018 12:34 GMT
#26
Has should redefine what is considered 'cheese' and what has become 'standard.' The Starcraft scene treats these words as too much of a dichotomy
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55561 Posts
October 17 2018 12:43 GMT
#27
On October 17 2018 03:08 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2018 02:56 Charoisaur wrote:
On October 17 2018 00:26 Ej_ wrote:
On October 16 2018 23:52 Vendethiel wrote:
On October 16 2018 22:44 travis wrote:
What's even crazier is that he actually gave Serral a run for his money in those finals.

Yeah I don't get the "nothing seemed to work", "one step ahead", "hit a proper wall"... The games were much closer that they should've been.

Which doesn't mean they were any close in the first place ;o.

Nah, in two of those games Has could have easily won if it wasn't for a few critical mistakes.
Even Artosis said after game 4 that the score could have as well been 3-1 for Has at that point.

Well yeah that's the point, it was very clear he wasn't at the same level as Serral when it came to playing out games, build orders aside.

Better players would have won from the positions Has was in, with better control and macro, surely. But they don't play like him at all so their games would never go in that direction to begin with.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11075 Posts
October 17 2018 17:27 GMT
#28
This is who I’ll watch BlizzCon for. Pure entertainment. Not the best but certainly shows strategic nous
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
TheLittleOtter
Profile Joined December 2013
Norway11 Posts
October 17 2018 18:42 GMT
#29
I absolutely love the reference to The Wire, well done, Ziggy (Well, actually.....)!
AcerMMA will rule the world!
RealityTheGreat
Profile Joined January 2018
China564 Posts
October 17 2018 19:40 GMT
#30
I think Wax or stuchiu will write better than others.
And will it be "2018:Another year of Has?"
Betrayed, forgotten, abandoned.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 13m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko449
SKillous 274
Hui .268
Livibee 110
BRAT_OK 94
MindelVK 24
DivinesiaTV 18
StarCraft: Brood War
Jaedong 1232
Shuttle 1186
firebathero 231
Rush 172
Rock 72
zelot 68
Movie 56
Mong 42
Sexy 39
JulyZerg 12
[ Show more ]
SilentControl 9
eros_byul 0
Dota 2
qojqva4896
syndereN559
XcaliburYe484
BananaSlamJamma364
Fuzer 246
febbydoto21
canceldota2
LuMiX1
League of Legends
C9.Mang0412
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor222
Other Games
Grubby7153
singsing1912
B2W.Neo367
ArmadaUGS132
ToD63
Trikslyr32
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 46
• 3DClanTV 36
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki8
• Michael_bg 7
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV746
• Ler43
League of Legends
• Nemesis2974
Upcoming Events
BSL 21
3h 13m
Sziky vs eOnzErG
Sparkling Tuna Cup
17h 13m
Krystianer vs Classic
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs Ryung
ByuN vs Nicoract
OSC
1d 1h
BSL 21
1d 3h
Cross vs Dewalt
Replay Cast
1d 16h
Wardi Open
1d 19h
OSC
2 days
Solar vs MaxPax
ByuN vs Krystianer
Spirit vs TBD
OSC
5 days
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
OSC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S1 - W1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
Escore Tournament S1 - W2
Escore Tournament S1 - W3
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.