• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:37
CEST 18:37
KST 01:37
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy8uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event17Serral wins EWC 202549Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments6[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10
StarCraft 2
General
Is there a way to see if 2 accounts=1 person? #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy
Tourneys
SEL Masters #5 - Korea vs Russia (SC Evo) LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Enki Epic Series #5 - TaeJa vs Classic (SC Evo) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion New season has just come in ladder StarCraft player reflex TE scores BSL Polish World Championship 2025 20-21 September
Tourneys
Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches KCM 2025 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI The year 2050
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Biochemical Cost of Gami…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 770 users

Global Finals Race Heats Up at WCS Valencia - Page 2

Forum Index > SC2 General
21 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
pNRG
Profile Joined February 2012
United States333 Posts
July 13 2018 19:50 GMT
#21
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2018 21:24 the_last_terran1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 20:40 dicey wrote:
On July 13 2018 20:31 the_last_terran1 wrote:
Reynor beats Special...
Such upset,...[imba imba]...


I think that game 1 needs to be analyzed a lot, before any conclusion can be made. It was more or less balanced for the majority of the time, with Special having 2 SCVs trapped from the start (3-5% less income!?). Then, expecting ultras and investing a lot into marauders on a good brood lord map is... well, let's just say it has to be looked at by someone wiser than I to get the finer nuances out, as it's really smart thinking ahead, if a mistake at that.

Not winning that clearly tilted him, with a few slip-ups in game2 and underperforming in the last one. Reynor's style is really fresh and amazing to spectate, while likely sickening to play against!


I didn t see the games and i hope to see some other clever analyzes. Anyway i m tired to see how fast is the zerg race progression training compare to protoss and terran. It s the first year for Reynor to access to the high competitive tournament and he looks so easy to control his race without any stress or lack of confidence. 8 years passed and I m asking legitimacy if it exist a relation between the visibility of the creep tumours and the ease of Reynor (3-0) to defeat Special.

It s a pain that Serral is his next opponent cause i won t be surprised if Reynor doesn t lose a game against any european terran.


It's not the responsibility of the opponent to deny creep?

Has secures top 8!
"He's like a Kakuna with Flamestrike." - Artosis 25.7.2014 \\ "Sometimes you gotta' be manly to get out of the group stage, Reynad." -Artosis 17.10.2014 \\ “There goes your dream of a frivolous lawsuit with a brewing company.” – Tasteless 26.8.2015
the_last_terran1
Profile Joined September 2017
48 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-07-14 13:41:43
July 14 2018 13:41 GMT
#22
On July 14 2018 04:50 pNRG wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 13 2018 21:24 the_last_terran1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2018 20:40 dicey wrote:
On July 13 2018 20:31 the_last_terran1 wrote:
Reynor beats Special...
Such upset,...[imba imba]...


I think that game 1 needs to be analyzed a lot, before any conclusion can be made. It was more or less balanced for the majority of the time, with Special having 2 SCVs trapped from the start (3-5% less income!?). Then,(...)
Not winning that clearly tilted him, with a few slip-ups in game2 and underperforming in the last one. Reynor's style is really fresh and amazing to spectate, while likely sickening to play against!

(....)
8 years passed and I m asking legitimacy if it exist a relation between the visibility of the creep tumours and the ease of Reynor (3-0) to defeat Special.

It s a pain that Serral is his next opponent cause i won t be surprised if Reynor doesn t lose a game against any european terran.


It's not the responsibility of the opponent to deny creep?

Has secures top 8!


Some months ago, i was looking to Clem doing a pretty good job, struggling against the developpement of creep tumours in the mid game building bunkers along the border of creep (... at the moment Innovation clean creep tumours in the end game with Nukes..). But even this fresh strategy, born from a new view of young newcomer can t work at the moment.

Maybe you also have ever seen this strategy and you could talk a bit from your experience but my point of view is : "this proxy base can t handle against the zerg flow", even if marines can retreat deeper, every bunkers will be destroyed and the Terran have no other choice than a retreat to his main base, with a high risk to be rushed and lose the game.

So as conclusion you can deny creep but the end game will arrive, and all you have done is : "slow the creep". It seems to hard to seetle in front of the creep and during 8 years, I didn t remember even in the Korean scene, one player able to stop creep.

Some people wanna merge the two upgrades : "Neosteel Frame" and "Structure Armor" but i m not sure if it would be enought...., Bunkers are pointless after the mid game, when Zerg control all the map and doesn t care about his future earnings..

Here s a thread talking about this rework : https://us.battle.net/forums/en/sc2/topic/8769437781


Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Online Event
15:00
SEL Master #5: Korea vs Russia
SteadfastSC209
EnkiAlexander 72
MindelVK42
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Hui .239
SteadfastSC 213
BRAT_OK 98
ProTech91
Codebar 42
MindelVK 42
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 3485
Shuttle 1426
Larva 875
hero 434
ggaemo 404
Snow 331
firebathero 316
Rush 226
Soma 215
Mong 135
[ Show more ]
EffOrt 102
ToSsGirL 84
Mind 72
Sharp 64
sSak 60
Aegong 35
Bonyth 17
Sexy 15
Terrorterran 14
IntoTheRainbow 10
ivOry 9
Backho 7
Stormgate
TKL 113
Dota 2
Gorgc5500
qojqva1941
Dendi916
420jenkins246
XcaliburYe153
Counter-Strike
fl0m4748
markeloff576
Other Games
ScreaM846
hiko739
crisheroes611
Lowko537
RotterdaM349
Beastyqt322
DeMusliM204
Fuzer 192
ViBE151
ArmadaUGS120
ToD97
KnowMe82
Trikslyr58
QueenE50
StateSC218
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 36
• davetesta25
• Adnapsc2 15
• OhrlRock 4
• Kozan
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Pr0nogo 28
• Michael_bg 6
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis4961
• Jankos1528
• TFBlade676
Other Games
• Shiphtur224
• WagamamaTV211
Upcoming Events
BSL Team Wars
2h 23m
Team Hawk vs Team Sziky
Online Event
18h 23m
SC Evo League
19h 23m
Online Event
20h 23m
OSC
20h 23m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
22h 23m
CSO Contender
1d
[BSL 2025] Weekly
1d 1h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 17h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 18h
[ Show More ]
SC Evo League
1d 19h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 22h
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Dewalt vs Team Bonyth
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Sharp vs Ample
Larva vs Stork
Wardi Open
2 days
RotterdaM Event
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
JyJ vs TY
Bisu vs Speed
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Mini vs TBD
Soma vs sSak
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-08-13
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLAN 3
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.