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On July 16 2018 08:05 JulioCezri wrote:
Hey guys, stop being mean. Kelazhur is a great player and the poll has no restriction about the game that the user likes. Learn to lose, it hurts, it cries, but it passes.
Kelazhur go, your favorite player may not, but it's all okay.
The cry is free.
...no one is learning to lose? Try harder
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Yeah, I think the community should decide. But are these brazilians the community? I think you can answer this question for yourself. And yes, I know that I am mad at the moment and may post very unreasoned shit.
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On July 16 2018 10:00 geschlittert wrote:
Yeah, I think the community should decide. But are these brazilians the community? I think you can answer this question for yourself. And yes, I know that I am mad at the moment and may post very unreasoned shit.
To be fair, if they tune into the tournament because Kelazhur wins, then they will be at least a small part of the community
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On July 16 2018 10:00 geschlittert wrote:
But are these brazilians the community?
What the hell even is that question? Do we need a special card to be part of the community?
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On July 16 2018 10:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 10:00 geschlittert wrote:
Yeah, I think the community should decide. But are these brazilians the community? I think you can answer this question for yourself. And yes, I know that I am mad at the moment and may post very unreasoned shit. To be fair, if they tune into the tournament because Kelazhur wins, then they will be at least a small part of the community
Besides isn't one of our goals AS a community to GROW our community?
If a bunch of Brazilians that otherwise wouldn't care about this tournament stop to watch now because they found about it through League streamers then isn't that a GOOD thing?
Seriously guys, if Kelazhur is winning because he's popular then he's accomplishing what the poll is meant to accomplish.
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On July 16 2018 10:20 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 10:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 16 2018 10:00 geschlittert wrote:
Yeah, I think the community should decide. But are these brazilians the community? I think you can answer this question for yourself. And yes, I know that I am mad at the moment and may post very unreasoned shit. To be fair, if they tune into the tournament because Kelazhur wins, then they will be at least a small part of the community Besides isn't one of our goals AS a community to GROW our community? If a bunch of Brazilians that otherwise wouldn't care about this tournament stop to watch now because they found about it through League streamers then isn't that a GOOD thing? Seriously guys, if Kelazhur is winning because he's popular then he's accomplishing what the poll is meant to accomplish.
Kelazhur isn't that popular, he's getting help from someone who is. Also Blizzard should pay salary for people who they make do marketing for them, not trick them to do it for free.
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On July 16 2018 10:26 11cc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 10:20 Vindicare605 wrote:On July 16 2018 10:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 16 2018 10:00 geschlittert wrote:
Yeah, I think the community should decide. But are these brazilians the community? I think you can answer this question for yourself. And yes, I know that I am mad at the moment and may post very unreasoned shit. To be fair, if they tune into the tournament because Kelazhur wins, then they will be at least a small part of the community Besides isn't one of our goals AS a community to GROW our community? If a bunch of Brazilians that otherwise wouldn't care about this tournament stop to watch now because they found about it through League streamers then isn't that a GOOD thing? Seriously guys, if Kelazhur is winning because he's popular then he's accomplishing what the poll is meant to accomplish. Kelazhur isn't that popular, he's getting help from someone who is. Also Blizzard should pay salary for people who they make do marketing for them, not trick them to do it for free.
Let me rephrase that then.
BRAZILLIANS are popular. and Brazillians are voting one of their own into the tournament.
That's the entire point of having the fan poll. You're just going to have to accept it.
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On July 16 2018 10:28 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 10:26 11cc wrote:On July 16 2018 10:20 Vindicare605 wrote:On July 16 2018 10:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 16 2018 10:00 geschlittert wrote:
Yeah, I think the community should decide. But are these brazilians the community? I think you can answer this question for yourself. And yes, I know that I am mad at the moment and may post very unreasoned shit. To be fair, if they tune into the tournament because Kelazhur wins, then they will be at least a small part of the community Besides isn't one of our goals AS a community to GROW our community? If a bunch of Brazilians that otherwise wouldn't care about this tournament stop to watch now because they found about it through League streamers then isn't that a GOOD thing? Seriously guys, if Kelazhur is winning because he's popular then he's accomplishing what the poll is meant to accomplish. Kelazhur isn't that popular, he's getting help from someone who is. Also Blizzard should pay salary for people who they make do marketing for them, not trick them to do it for free. Let me rephrase that then. BRAZILLIANS are popular. and Brazillians are voting one of their own into the tournament. That's the entire point of having the fan poll. You're just going to have to accept it.
Yes I know like I said here
On July 16 2018 08:17 11cc wrote:
So it's a popularity contest but worse because Kelazhur isn't even that popular but Brazilians are voting him in for being Brazilian. Lame.
Of course I accept it, nothing I can do about this. Just sharing my opinion that this is stupid.
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On July 16 2018 10:32 11cc wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 10:28 Vindicare605 wrote:On July 16 2018 10:26 11cc wrote:On July 16 2018 10:20 Vindicare605 wrote:On July 16 2018 10:10 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On July 16 2018 10:00 geschlittert wrote:
Yeah, I think the community should decide. But are these brazilians the community? I think you can answer this question for yourself. And yes, I know that I am mad at the moment and may post very unreasoned shit. To be fair, if they tune into the tournament because Kelazhur wins, then they will be at least a small part of the community Besides isn't one of our goals AS a community to GROW our community? If a bunch of Brazilians that otherwise wouldn't care about this tournament stop to watch now because they found about it through League streamers then isn't that a GOOD thing? Seriously guys, if Kelazhur is winning because he's popular then he's accomplishing what the poll is meant to accomplish. Kelazhur isn't that popular, he's getting help from someone who is. Also Blizzard should pay salary for people who they make do marketing for them, not trick them to do it for free. Let me rephrase that then. BRAZILLIANS are popular. and Brazillians are voting one of their own into the tournament. That's the entire point of having the fan poll. You're just going to have to accept it. Yes I know like I said here Show nested quote +On July 16 2018 08:17 11cc wrote:
So it's a popularity contest but worse because Kelazhur isn't even that popular but Brazilians are voting him in for being Brazilian. Lame. Of course I accept it, nothing I can do about this. Just sharing my opinion that this is stupid.
I'm a big believer in qualifiers. I think the only two people that shouldn't have to earn their spot in this tournament are Serral and Maru and that's because they are Code S and WCS Champs. You could make an argument that Stats doesn't either because of Super Tournament but then you'd have to make the same call for Scarlett for IEM Pyeongchang. So it's simpler if only those two tournaments mattered.
But... Blizz wants this popularity aspect attached to the tournament, and most likely what's happening with Kelazhur is making them super excited because it means that SC2 is being talked about and shared in circles that would otherwise ignore it.
You're right, to them it's free marketing. But they're the ones sponsoring the tournament so they can run it however they want.
As long as I get my Maru vs Serral dream, I don't really care about the rest.
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I dunno why people are complaining. Blizz decided it was a popularity contest, so the most popular players will get in. Brazil's esport fans are some of the most passionate.
Although Kela going from being down 900 to being up 2700 is hilarious
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Well, I'm a brazilian and Starcraft player since the Brood War era, though I did create an account here just to vote for Kelazhur as well, so I think that the new account restrictions as some are suggesting are more to teamliquid community participation rather than the Starcraft one. Also as it's stated too the uprising was due to popular esports figures who supported him, and if people cared enough to come here vote maybe they will give Starcraft a chance, it's free to play now after all, so is it bad?
Besides, if we are talking about how ethical this is, isn't a poll being hold on teamliquid forum with teamliquid players involved (uThermal, Snute and MaNa) for a premier sponsored by blizzard quite unethical as well? (Just to clarify, I do admire all teamliquid work for Starcraft, I don't doubt their fairness on this).
If I could suggest something so it would really be for the community I would have it to be voted on a site made by blizzard and requiring battlenet verification, making a propaganda about it on the battlenet client and in-game main screen and all solved, no bias and the players community voting. (Even more if you make a check validation about how long Starcraft was added to the account voting).
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On July 16 2018 06:16 JabuSeika wrote:
Holy, how did Has get so many votes so quick, now that's a comeback.
Mana was clearly like 1000 votes ahead at one point.
I'm sure he got a lot of fans after Valencia, but also I saw in some taiwanese sc2 FB group, that some taiwanese people are creating new accounts and clearing their cookies to vote multiple times.
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Promotion like what Kelazhur got is part of the fanvote system, if someone's not okay with it complain about the system not the player.
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On July 16 2018 11:21 yht9657 wrote:
Promotion like what Kelazhur got is part of the fanvote system, if someone's not okay with it complain about the system not the player.
Here's the thing, though, I look at the total number of votes that are in the T category, and they are about 3000 more votes for T (and likely Kelazhur) than any other race. What this tells me is that the people who are voting for Kelazhur are voting because it's Kelazhur rather than them being part of the community.
The slightly worrisome part about this is that because they're only going for Kelazhur as opposed to the other players, it's showing that they don't care about who gets the vote in the other categories. This means that they are not likely part of the SC2 community. Now, we want to be welcoming to all people, but we really don't want people who are not part of our community and who have no intention of being part of our community to influence things in the SC2 community.
Of course, it's possible that the people who vote for Kelazhur will then become part of the SC2 community, but I can understand if people feel uneasy if a lot of the people who voted for him won't become part of our community.
In an extreme example, it's like me saying that I don't want outsiders to vote in the Canadian election. I'm happy if they're interested in Canadian politics and if they eventually become Canadian citizens, but I don't really want them, if they aren't part of Canada, to vote in our elections.
Of course, this is a public poll and not one controlled by a political entity, but I can understand if this is a worry people have.
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why Kelazhur so many vote ?
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You guys are so freaking immature. All this hating behavior under the poll isn't about how fair Kelazhur victory is, but about whether or not to accept the defeat of you favorite player. It's pathetic.
It does not matter if fans vote for Kelazhur because it's the "Brazilian" Kelazhur and don't care about the other races. It does not matter whether or not they want to integrate into the community.
By the way, who will want to be integrated into a toxic and childlike community like this, who wants to choose who can or should not be part of your club?
Grow, improve, be less. This kind of behavior just moves away that who could be interested in the game, and about being part of the community.
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Blizzard said last event:
*We are aware that voting required a US StarCraft II Character ID to participate, and we very actively pushed pro-active messaging to make sure users knew how to contribute to polls. For future fan voting events, we will make ease of participation for global fans a top priority.
If the intention was that only the community participates, it would not have changed. And this is a FAN Voting Event
I understand that some people may be upset, but it will pass.
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Kelazhur have so many votes because a bunch of brazilians pro-players of other games helped him.
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