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Drfilip
Sweden592 Posts
I am with nick00bot on this. The spoiler system has a poor design. My suggestion is to have titles without spoilers. A spoiler free title could be "GSL group F recap" instead of "Dark and Trap survive Group F, ByuN out in Ro32". Spoiler free titles in tandem with the current spoiler system would help a lot. | ||
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ogsgodlike
Bulgaria31 Posts
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waiting2Bbanned
United States154 Posts
On January 25 2018 03:23 pvsnp wrote: Byun is out in the Ro32 again, lol. Blizzcon curse confirmed, no Blizzcon champion can make it past the Ro32 of the first season As soon as 3rax-reaper got patched out of being an auto-win, he was done for. 3rax-reaper can win you Blizzcon on a very specific patch, just as BL-infestor could back in WOL. | ||
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seopthi
395 Posts
On January 24 2018 22:46 DieuCure wrote: Always the same messages ... Could be indicative of a problem | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On January 25 2018 06:50 Drfilip wrote: Has there been a GSL recap without someone posting about spoilers? I am with nick00bot on this. The spoiler system has a poor design. My suggestion is to have titles without spoilers. A spoiler free title could be "GSL group F recap" instead of "Dark and Trap survive Group F, ByuN out in Ro32". Spoiler free titles in tandem with the current spoiler system would help a lot. Fewer people read the recaps if they have spoiler free titles. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On January 25 2018 11:15 waiting2Bbanned wrote: As soon as 3rax-reaper got patched out of being an auto-win, he was done for. 3rax-reaper can win you Blizzcon on a very specific patch, just as BL-infestor could back in WOL. The question is whether we will say the same about Rogue and hydras next year. cough Mizenhauer cough | ||
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seopthi
395 Posts
On January 25 2018 11:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Fewer people read the recaps if they have spoiler free titles. I doubt that the difference of fewer people reading the recaps is that large if the title would be just "GSL Group F Recap." When I get the result spoiled accidentally, I don't watch the VOD anymore and just click to read the recap. So chunk of the people who read the recap and wouldn't read it otherwise, are the ones who are upset by it being spoiled, so that is not kosher. Also, there must be chunk of people who do not watch the games and are more likely to open the recap if it said just "GSL Group F Recap." to find out the results. If someone is just trying to find what happened, now they can go to TL, see the result, and not open the recap. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On January 25 2018 11:48 pvsnp wrote: The question is whether we will say the same about Rogue and hydras next year. cough Mizenhauer cough Yes unless Rogue wins another tournament this year | ||
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EEk1TwEEk
Russian Federation192 Posts
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Veluvian
Bulgaria256 Posts
Byun played well, but he was I think predictable. All you had to do is to perform some solid defence and no panic. Most of the successful players change their styles at some important moments in order to be more flexible. Even Innovation did it last year with some different builds. Byun really need some change. I wish him luck. I will miss his charisma in this Code S but Trap really deserve it so well. | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary487 Posts
On January 25 2018 03:23 pvsnp wrote: Byun is out in the Ro32 again, lol. Blizzcon curse confirmed, no Blizzcon champion can make it past the Ro32 of the first season Or bad player confirmed? His last years form and now this performance also doesnt help the argument hes not a patch terran. Everyon considered Trap the underdog, but the underdog simply outplayed him and deserved the win. Why is it so hard to acknowledge that ? | ||
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207aicila
1237 Posts
On January 25 2018 11:34 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Fewer people read the recaps if they have spoiler free titles. The arguable "necessity" for clickbait makes sense in the general context of the internet but you'd be hard pressed to argue the same on a niche, specialist site for dedicated fans. | ||
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fx9
117 Posts
User was warned for this post | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On January 25 2018 21:33 kajtarp wrote: Or bad player confirmed? His last years form and now this performance also doesnt help the argument hes not a patch terran. Everyon considered Trap the underdog, but the underdog simply outplayed him and deserved the win. Why is it so hard to acknowledge that ? Well, calling Byun a bad player is really stretching it, since he was about as successful as Maru/aLive were last year. To call Byun bad in 2017 would basically be saying that the only good Terrans were Inno and TY. If Byun is a bad player, then Trap is a terrible one, because Byun had far better results than Trap did last year. Calling Byun a patchterran is equivalent to calling Rogue a patchzerg–there is a somewhat-legitimate argument to be made, but it's far from bulletproof. And as far as "Trap simply outplayed Byun" goes, since PvT is so heavily Protoss-favored at the moment, a lot of people think that balance played a part in their match. Personally I think Trap played quite well and Byun was too predictable, but the current strength of Protoss against Terran can't be ignored either. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On January 26 2018 07:34 pvsnp wrote: Well, calling Byun a bad player is really stretching it, since he was about as successful as Maru/aLive were last year. To call Byun bad in 2017 would basically be saying that the only good Terrans were Inno and TY. If Byun is a bad player, then Trap is a terrible one, because Byun had far better results than Trap did last year. Calling Byun a patchterran is equivalent to calling Rogue a patchzerg–there is a somewhat-legitimate argument to be made, but it's far from bulletproof. And as far as "Trap simply outplayed Byun" goes, since PvT is so heavily Protoss-favored at the moment, a lot of people think that balance played a part in their match. Personally I think Trap played quite well and Byun was too predictable, but the current strength of Protoss against Terran can't be ignored either. Sure, so many stalker abuse and that blink in the last game! Pure epicness. | ||
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curufinwe_wins
68 Posts
On January 26 2018 07:34 pvsnp wrote: Well, calling Byun a bad player is really stretching it, since he was about as successful as Maru/aLive were last year. To call Byun bad in 2017 would basically be saying that the only good Terrans were Inno and TY. If Byun is a bad player, then Trap is a terrible one, because Byun had far better results than Trap did last year. Calling Byun a patchterran is equivalent to calling Rogue a patchzerg–there is a somewhat-legitimate argument to be made, but it's far from bulletproof. And as far as "Trap simply outplayed Byun" goes, since PvT is so heavily Protoss-favored at the moment, a lot of people think that balance played a part in their match. Personally I think Trap played quite well and Byun was too predictable, but the current strength of Protoss against Terran can't be ignored either. By that judgement Trap looks even better against Dark, as ZvP is MUCH more zerg favored than PvT is protoss at the moment. But even then, Trap simply and completely outplayed Byun. Byun had literally one game well played map (by the standards we expect out of him) in those 4 games, and even then, Trap was just simply too crisp from start to finish. - Random peanut gallery comments on player standings: Also Trap had basically identical WCS points from GSL as aLive did last year. Trap was the highest ranked player to get literally nothing from other WCS Korea tournaments. But certainly Byun isn't bad, and Trap is rather recently ascendant. I don't think it is wrong to say that TY and Innovation were lapping other Korean Terrans last year, and I'd put Byun, Gumiho, and Special (maybe aLive) in that second tier. Frankly speaking if you want to talk about a Terran that fell off the face of the earth in the 2nd half of 2017 and has yet to recover, I'd point that finger at Maru. Good showings at the first two GSL's mask a fairly bad ending to 2017 offline and online for someone that was considered one of the horsemen. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On January 26 2018 07:34 pvsnp wrote: Well, calling Byun a bad player is really stretching it, since he was about as successful as Maru/aLive were last year. To call Byun bad in 2017 would basically be saying that the only good Terrans were Inno and TY. If Byun is a bad player, then Trap is a terrible one, because Byun had far better results than Trap did last year. Calling Byun a patchterran is equivalent to calling Rogue a patchzerg–there is a somewhat-legitimate argument to be made, but it's far from bulletproof. And as far as "Trap simply outplayed Byun" goes, since PvT is so heavily Protoss-favored at the moment, a lot of people think that balance played a part in their match. Personally I think Trap played quite well and Byun was too predictable, but the current strength of Protoss against Terran can't be ignored either. ByuN certainly isn't a bad player. He's still probably a top 6 or 7 terran right now. Trap was simply the better player. The balance patch wouldn't turn this 0-4 result into a win for ByuN here. As far as being a patchterran, I think the argument is there. His results took a big drop when tankivacs/reapers were nerfed and banelings were given a hp buff. He clearly relied on those to win the tournaments he did. He went from being the best player in the world to not even top 10 because of a patch. While other terrans were consistantly succesful over the years (Inno, TY, Maru). On another note, I wish there was a name for players that suceed because of a specific meta or bracket luck. Neeb and Gumiho aren't patchplayers but their big wins certainly seem unrepeatable. On January 26 2018 11:56 curufinwe_wins wrote:Frankly speaking if you want to talk about a Terran that fell off the face of the earth in the 2nd half of 2017 and has yet to recover, I'd point that finger at Maru. Good showings at the first two GSL's mask a fairly bad ending to 2017 offline and online for someone that was considered one of the horsemen. If you look at results from korean events only, Maru had more WCS points than ByuN or even TY I think. He fell of towards the end of the year, but if you've seen any of the games from the IEM or WeSG qualifiers he's doing better than all the other terrans (outside Inno maybe?) | ||
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MoonyD
Australia191 Posts
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kajtarp
Hungary487 Posts
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
edit: and if for some reason they want a clickbait title to drive traffic to a specific thread (again don't see the point of this at all), they can post stuff like "YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE RO32 YOUR MIND WILL BE BLOWN". again though, pointless | ||
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