I've seen far too many hype trains crash to put any stock into ladder games or practice matches. I'll believe your prophecy of a foreigner winning GSL if and when I see it happen myself.
There is no rational explanation whatsoever for claiming that The Truth™ is only what you say it is, and that everyone else can only "believe." Thinking that way is textbook irrationality, as a matter of fact.
Unless you really are a prophet. In which case......lotto plz?
'm not predicting a foreigner winning GSL, there is no prophecy at all. But I am saying there is a chance this may happen as the skill level is too close to call. Furthermore, I guarantee more foreigners will try season 2 and 3.
This is what you said bro, I didn't put any words into your mouth:
On January 20 2018 11:03 Kafka777 wrote: Koreans will have a problem keeping their GSL titles this year. You may believe what you want. The truth is foreigners are strong.
You don't say "there is a chance" here, you say Koreans WILL have problems. Then you go and call it the One And Only Truth™ as if it's holy writ and you are the prophet.
More foreigners trying to qualify in Seasons 2 and 3 is a given, seeing as the progamers have said so themselves.
I've seen far too many hype trains crash to put any stock into ladder games or practice matches. I'll believe your prophecy of a foreigner winning GSL if and when I see it happen myself.
There is no rational explanation whatsoever for claiming that The Truth™ is only what you say it is, and that everyone else can only "believe." Thinking that way is textbook irrationality, as a matter of fact.
Unless you really are a prophet. In which case......lotto plz?
In terms of evidence we are waiting for IEM PyeongChang.
I think you replied to the wrong post there.
@The_Red_Viper was the one asking for evidence, not me.
But if we are waiting for IEM Pyeongchang for evidence, why are you drawing conclusions weeks before IEM Pyeongchang even starts?
On January 22 2018 07:13 Kafka777 wrote: In terms of evidence we are waiting for IEM PyeongChang.
What possible evidence can that give us? We have two koreans there, we had a lot more data the past few months already. If no foreigner will win this tournament where they vastly outnumber the koreans, what chance do they even have for GSL? (and if i had to bet i would still bet on a korean winning for sure)
As i said, just check any top foreigner vs korean win% on aligulac for offline matches and set a timeframe which is reasonable. There won't be a single one who looks like a title contender, not even close.
On January 20 2018 11:03 Kafka777 wrote: Koreans will have a problem keeping their GSL titles this year. You may believe what you want. The truth is foreigners are strong.
You don't say "there is a chance" here, you say Koreans WILL have problems. Then you go and call it the One And Only Truth™ as if it's holy writ and you are the prophet.
More foreigners trying to qualify in Seasons 2 and 3 is a given, seeing as the progamers have said so themselves.
Which progamers said so where? I never said anything about one and only truth. I said the truth is that foreigners are strong - you ARE putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about being a prophet - this is again YOUR claim. But believe me Koreans will have a problem.
What possible evidence can that give us? We have two koreans there, we had a lot more data the past few months already. If no foreigner will win this tournament where they vastly outnumber the koreans, what chance do they even have for GSL? (and if i had to bet i would still bet on a korean winning for sure)
Evidence can only be given thorugh tournament results. SO IEM PyeongChang and Katowice are the only reasonable indicators.
On January 20 2018 11:03 Kafka777 wrote: Koreans will have a problem keeping their GSL titles this year. You may believe what you want. The truth is foreigners are strong.
You don't say "there is a chance" here, you say Koreans WILL have problems. Then you go and call it the One And Only Truth™ as if it's holy writ and you are the prophet.
More foreigners trying to qualify in Seasons 2 and 3 is a given, seeing as the progamers have said so themselves.
Which progamers said so where? I never said anything about one and only truth. I said the truth is that foreigners are strong - you ARE putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about being a prophet - this is again YOUR claim. But believe me Koreans will have a problem.
Noregret and Scarlett have mentioned more people coming on stream.
"You may believe what you want. The truth is foreigners are strong." ^^ sounds very much like a dogmatic truth right there, the kind spoken by a prophet to a congregation of fanatics.
On January 22 2018 07:20 Kafka777 wrote: Show nested quote +
Which progamers said so where? I never said anything about one and only truth. I said the truth is that foreigners are strong - you ARE putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about being a prophet - this is again YOUR claim. But believe me Koreans will have a problem.
Noregret and Scarlett have mentioned more people coming on stream.
"You may believe what you want. The truth is foreigners are strong." ^^ sounds very much like a dogmatic truth right there, the kind spoken by a prophet to a congregation of fanatics.
"Believe me" you say.
Hmm.......
What you are saying is not an argument but rather an effort to manipulate the message. I am saying results will speak for themselves and we can count on our players.
What possible evidence can that give us? We have two koreans there, we had a lot more data the past few months already. If no foreigner will win this tournament where they vastly outnumber the koreans, what chance do they even have for GSL? (and if i had to bet i would still bet on a korean winning for sure)
Evidence can only be given thorugh tournament results. SO IEM PyeongChang and Katowice are the only reasonable indicators.
Sure i don't disagree with the notion that we need tournament results, but IEM PyeongChang in particular isn't terribly useful considering that we only have two koreans there. The weird thing is that you don't seem to care to look at past results which woould suggest you are wrong (i proposed it two times now), so i still don't see why you "believe" what you do
On January 22 2018 07:20 Kafka777 wrote: Show nested quote +
Which progamers said so where? I never said anything about one and only truth. I said the truth is that foreigners are strong - you ARE putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about being a prophet - this is again YOUR claim. But believe me Koreans will have a problem.
Noregret and Scarlett have mentioned more people coming on stream.
"You may believe what you want. The truth is foreigners are strong." ^^ sounds very much like a dogmatic truth right there, the kind spoken by a prophet to a congregation of fanatics.
"Believe me" you say.
Hmm.......
What you are saying is not an argument but rather an effort to manipulate the message. I am saying results will speak for themselves and we can count on our players.
Nice backpedaling.
First you say:
On January 20 2018 11:03 Kafka777 wrote: Koreans will have a problem keeping their GSL titles this year. You may believe what you want. The truth is foreigners are strong.
Then when asked about evidence for your claim, you say:
On January 22 2018 07:13 Kafka777 wrote: In terms of evidence we are waiting for IEM PyeongChang.
What possible evidence can that give us? We have two koreans there, we had a lot more data the past few months already. If no foreigner will win this tournament where they vastly outnumber the koreans, what chance do they even have for GSL? (and if i had to bet i would still bet on a korean winning for sure)
Evidence can only be given thorugh tournament results. SO IEM PyeongChang and Katowice are the only reasonable indicators.
IEM Pyeongchang and Katowice are both tournaments that will not start for several weeks. If you truly believed this:
On January 22 2018 07:20 Kafka777 wrote: Show nested quote +
Which progamers said so where? I never said anything about one and only truth. I said the truth is that foreigners are strong - you ARE putting words in my mouth. I never said anything about being a prophet - this is again YOUR claim. But believe me Koreans will have a problem.
Noregret and Scarlett have mentioned more people coming on stream.
"You may believe what you want. The truth is foreigners are strong." ^^ sounds very much like a dogmatic truth right there, the kind spoken by a prophet to a congregation of fanatics.
"Believe me" you say.
Hmm.......
I am saying results will speak for themselves and we can count on our players.
then you would not have made your original claim in the first place, since we have no evidence from Pyeongchang and Katowice, and will not have any until they actually happen.
Then you have the gall to accuse me of trying to manipulate the message. Your hypocrisy is overwhelming, but I guess I shouldn't expect any better when your actual argument contradicts itself.
Come back after IEM Pyeongchang and Katowice are over, and then you might have some evidence to talk about.
Sure i don't disagree with the notion that we need tournament results, but IEM PyeongChang in particular isn't terribly useful considering that we only have two koreans there. The weird thing is that you don't seem to care to look at past results which woould suggest you are wrong (i proposed it two times now), so i still don't see why you "believe" what you do
How many Koreans would do? Two Koreans qualified. Its an indication. We will see results. To the seond question I will respond below
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then you would not have made your original claim in the first place, since we have no evidence from Pyeongchang and Katowice, and will not have any until they actually happen.
Then you have the gall to accuse me of trying to manipulate the message. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.o
OMG. I wasn't proving anything earlier. Yes I'm claiming that foreigners have a better chance than ever to get better results against Koreans. The argument is that the foreign players are younger and have at least equal motivation right now. If you are 16-23 - or 24-30 the difference in mechanics and coherence is huge. There is no way older platyers will have a chance even with more experiance.
Sure i don't disagree with the notion that we need tournament results, but IEM PyeongChang in particular isn't terribly useful considering that we only have two koreans there. The weird thing is that you don't seem to care to look at past results which woould suggest you are wrong (i proposed it two times now), so i still don't see why you "believe" what you do
How many Koreans would do? Two Koreans qualified. Its an indication. We will see results. To the seond question I will respond below
then you would not have made your original claim in the first place, since we have no evidence from Pyeongchang and Katowice, and will not have any until they actually happen.
Then you have the gall to accuse me of trying to manipulate the message. The hypocrisy is overwhelming.o
OMG. I wasn't proving anything earlier. Yes I'm claiming that foreigners have a better chance than ever to get better results against Koreans. The argument is that the foreign players are younger and have at least equal motivation right now. If you are 16-23 - or 24-30 the difference in mechanics and coherence is huge. There is no way older platyers will have a chance even with more experiance.
Ok, youth over experience is actually a legitimate argument to make. Personally I disagree, but at least you aren't contradicting yourself there.
You really should've said so in the first post though.
Sure i don't disagree with the notion that we need tournament results, but IEM PyeongChang in particular isn't terribly useful considering that we only have two koreans there. The weird thing is that you don't seem to care to look at past results which woould suggest you are wrong (i proposed it two times now), so i still don't see why you "believe" what you do
How many Koreans would do? Two Koreans qualified. Its an indication. We will see results.
How is 2 qualified Koreans an indication of foreigners veing strong? 2 Koreans is the highest amount possible. "The IEM Season XII - PyeongChang - South Korea Qualifier allows 2 players to win travel, accommodation and entrance fully paid to IEM Season XII - PyeongChang."
Could you please clarify what you mean? I must have misinterpreted you.
Sure i don't disagree with the notion that we need tournament results, but IEM PyeongChang in particular isn't terribly useful considering that we only have two koreans there. The weird thing is that you don't seem to care to look at past results which woould suggest you are wrong (i proposed it two times now), so i still don't see why you "believe" what you do
How many Koreans would do? Two Koreans qualified. Its an indication. We will see results.
How is 2 qualified Koreans an indication of foreigners veing strong? 2 Koreans is the highest amount possible. "The IEM Season XII - PyeongChang - South Korea Qualifier allows 2 players to win travel, accommodation and entrance fully paid to IEM Season XII - PyeongChang."
Could you please clarify what you mean? I must have misinterpreted you.
I think he means that if the non-Koreans do well against the Koreans at IEM PyeongChang it will be an indicator of possible future success from non-Koreans against Koreans in other events (where they'll be more Koreans to compete against).
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