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WCS Global Finals: Quarterfinals Preview - Page 2

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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
November 01 2017 17:53 GMT
#21
I didn't expect any preview at all, and this one was pretty well-written as well. Thanks, mizenhauer.

On November 02 2017 02:12 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 01:35 pvsnp wrote:
Inno 2-0 Gumiho and TY 0-2 Special in group stage. I would tend to think Gumiho > Special as well.

TY has a week to come up with answers and Starcraft isn't as simple as Inno > GuMi > Special > TY, therefore Inno > TY.

Also those 2 series were wildly different.

True enough, but I was only using their relative group stage results to highlight their current form (Inno favored). There are a bunch of other factors, of course, but considering all them only tilts the scale further into Inno's favor.

Starting with the stats, Inno has a winning record against TY both recently and over the whole year. Inno also has the higher TvT winrate, both recently and over the whole year. Stylistically, TY is predictable to the point of exploitability, which has been shown on numerous occasions by everyone from Kelazhur to Dark. There's also the fact that TY's greed plays right into INnoVation's mechanical strength in macro games. And last but not least, Inno is on an absolute tear in terms of recent TvT–since announcing that he had focused specifically on the matchup he has a 92% record in offline TvT series against the likes of Ryung, aLive, Maru, ByuN, Gumiho, and TY himself. Only Gumiho managed to take a single series off him, and Inno took two in return.

Adding everything up, I'm expecting TY vs Inno to be the most onesided series in the entire Ro8. Like I said before, TY is not doomed by any means–upsets can and do happen–but he is most certainly not the favorite.
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IArako
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany195 Posts
November 01 2017 17:54 GMT
#22
Predictions look fine except Inno will crush TY 3:1
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
November 01 2017 17:56 GMT
#23
WCS Champions;

2014: NONAME (Z) 2015: SoS (P) 2016: ByuN (T) 2017: ¿Rogue? (Z)

Its obviously time for a Zerg to win it all.
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States14003 Posts
November 01 2017 18:01 GMT
#24
On November 02 2017 02:20 hexhaven wrote:
Dark was taken out, the tournament is no longer worth watching. Life no longer worth living.

As a S T A T S B O Y I feel your pain
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2475 Posts
November 01 2017 18:12 GMT
#25


Predictions:

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(T)MajOr > (Wiki)Odyssey LE < (Z)Elazer
(T)MajOr > (Wiki)Ascension to Aiur LE < (Z)Elazer
(T)MajOr > (Wiki)Abyssal Reef LE < (Z)Elazer
(T)MajOr > (Wiki)Mech Depot LE < (Z)Elazer
(T)MajOr > (Wiki)Catallena < (Z)Elazer

(T)MajOr wins 3-2 and Advances to the Semi-Finals!


(Z)soO > (Wiki)Mech Depot LE < (T)GuMiho
(Z)soO > (Wiki)Odyssey LE < (T)GuMiho
(Z)soO > (Wiki)Ascension to Aiur LE< (T)GuMiho
(Z)soO > (Wiki)Acolyte LE < (T)GuMiho
(Z)soO > (Wiki)Abyssal Reef LE < (T)GuMiho


(Z)soO wins 3-1 and Advances to the Semi-Finals!


(P)herO > (Wiki)Ascension to Aiur LE < (Z)Rogue
(P)herO > (Wiki)Catallena < (Z)Rogue
(P)herO > (Wiki)Odyssey LE < (Z)Rogue
(P)herO > (Wiki)Abyssal Reef LE < (Z)Rogue
(P)herO > (Wiki)Interloper LE < (Z)Rogue


(P)herO wins 3-1 and Advances to the Semi-Finals!


(T)INnoVation > (Wiki)Interloper LE < (T)TY
(T)INnoVation > (Wiki)Ascension to Aiur LE < (T)TY
(T)INnoVation > (Wiki)Abyssal Reef LE < (T)TY
(T)INnoVation > (Wiki)Acolyte LE < (T)TY
(T)INnoVation > (Wiki)Catallena < (T)TY

(T)INnoVation wins 3-0 and Advances to the Semi-Finals!

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Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 01 2017 19:16 GMT
#26
Sooo this feels like the Acer curse, where some how Acer players always ended up on the same side of the bracket. But now it seems to have spread into the "foreigner curse".
Life?
usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 21:23:30
November 01 2017 19:40 GMT
#27
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
November 01 2017 20:15 GMT
#28
this korean vs foreigner bullshit is really tiring
Zephyp
Profile Joined April 2013
238 Posts
November 01 2017 20:18 GMT
#29
On November 02 2017 05:15 Psychobabas wrote:
this korean vs foreigner bullshit is really tiring

Lucky we're not getting a match like that until semis then.
leublix
Profile Joined May 2017
493 Posts
November 01 2017 21:20 GMT
#30
Nice write up. Don't completely agree on the predictions though.
romson87
Profile Joined May 2016
Poland487 Posts
November 01 2017 21:57 GMT
#31
Nice write-up, agree with the predictions apart from the TY vs Inno one - still think The Machine's got this series in the bag. I mean their games at the GSL vs The World looked pretty much one-sided except for one maybe? And TY's tvt looks kinda unstable given his loss to Major...
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starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
November 01 2017 21:58 GMT
#32
fun write up, i disagree with the TY over Inno prediction but other than that looks pretty spot on
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 22:01:01
November 01 2017 22:00 GMT
#33
If it goes to a soO vs INnoVation finals, INnoVation wins.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
November 01 2017 22:14 GMT
#34
Inno vs TY on paper is the most one-sided match. But I believe Inno can choke like he always does
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
November 01 2017 22:15 GMT
#35
this korean vs foreigner bullshit is really tiring


You are underestimating foreigners? In reality the fact Neeb and Serral got eliminated is a huge upset. Neeb is better than Soo in PvZ and Serral could have and should have eliminated Inno or Gumiho. But this is just how tournaments go. It is still possible that a foreigner will win the tournament.
NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1603 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 22:34:30
November 01 2017 22:29 GMT
#36
On November 02 2017 07:15 Kafka777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
this korean vs foreigner bullshit is really tiring


You are underestimating foreigners? In reality the fact Neeb and Serral got eliminated is a huge upset. Neeb is better than Soo in PvZ and Serral could have and should have eliminated Inno or Gumiho. But this is just how tournaments go. It is still possible that a foreigner will win the tournament.


As long as they're in the tournament there is always a "possibility," but they are only in the tournament because of how players are seeded. Take the top 30 players from every region hold a B03 tournament and neither of them would be here. I'm not saying they're not good players, but they were seeded a spot from a weaker region if I'm not mistaken.

Edit: Tournament started with nearly 50/50 foreign/korean. Now it is 25/75. Of course some may make through, but the only reason a foreigner will make it through the next round is because they're both facing each other.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-01 22:35:11
November 01 2017 22:32 GMT
#37
On November 02 2017 07:15 Kafka777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
this korean vs foreigner bullshit is really tiring


You are underestimating foreigners? In reality the fact Neeb and Serral got eliminated is a huge upset. Neeb is better than Soo in PvZ and Serral could have and should have eliminated Inno or Gumiho. But this is just how tournaments go. It is still possible that a foreigner will win the tournament.


What kind of nonsense is this. Neeb somehow better than soO? The only korean zergs Neeb has ever beaten offline are Pet and Rogue (who recovered and beat Neeb 2-0 in a complete bop). If it was a close 2-1 or something I'd understand, but he went 2-5 against Rogue and soO overall

Serral went 1-4 against Gumiho, who isn't even close to Inno's level in TvZ. And the only map he won was a proxyhatch that went unscouted.

A foreigner will not win blizzcon either. Unless you expect soO/Inno/herO/Rogue to play as badly as Stats did
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13023 Posts
November 01 2017 22:38 GMT
#38
On November 02 2017 02:56 Argonauta wrote:
WCS Champions;

2014: NONAME (Z) 2015: SoS (P) 2016: ByuN (T) 2017: ¿Rogue? (Z)

Its obviously time for a Zerg to win it all.

Noname?
WriterMaru
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 01 2017 22:41 GMT
#39
On November 02 2017 07:38 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2017 02:56 Argonauta wrote:
WCS Champions;

2014: NONAME (Z) 2015: SoS (P) 2016: ByuN (T) 2017: ¿Rogue? (Z)

Its obviously time for a Zerg to win it all.

Noname?


He's given up on life.
TheLittleOtter
Profile Joined December 2013
Norway11 Posts
November 01 2017 22:41 GMT
#40
Wow!
I think I wonly agree with the Gumiho<SoO prediction, but would be nice to see Elazer through to another semi!
AcerMMA will rule the world!
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