On November 02 2017 01:35 pvsnp wrote: Inno 2-0 Gumiho and TY 0-2 Special in group stage. I would tend to think Gumiho > Special as well.
TY has a week to come up with answers and Starcraft isn't as simple as Inno > GuMi > Special > TY, therefore Inno > TY.
Also those 2 series were wildly different.
True enough, but I was only using their relative group stage results to highlight their current form (Inno favored). There are a bunch of other factors, of course, but considering all them only tilts the scale further into Inno's favor.
Starting with the stats, Inno has a winning record against TY both recently and over the whole year. Inno also has the higher TvT winrate, both recently and over the whole year. Stylistically, TY is predictable to the point of exploitability, which has been shown on numerous occasions by everyone from Kelazhur to Dark. There's also the fact that TY's greed plays right into INnoVation's mechanical strength in macro games. And last but not least, Inno is on an absolute tear in terms of recent TvT–since announcing that he had focused specifically on the matchup he has a 92% record in offline TvT series against the likes of Ryung, aLive, Maru, ByuN, Gumiho, and TY himself. Only Gumiho managed to take a single series off him, and Inno took two in return.
Adding everything up, I'm expecting TY vs Inno to be the most onesided series in the entire Ro8. Like I said before, TY is not doomed by any means–upsets can and do happen–but he is most certainly not the favorite.
Sooo this feels like the Acer curse, where some how Acer players always ended up on the same side of the bracket. But now it seems to have spread into the "foreigner curse".
Nice write-up, agree with the predictions apart from the TY vs Inno one - still think The Machine's got this series in the bag. I mean their games at the GSL vs The World looked pretty much one-sided except for one maybe? And TY's tvt looks kinda unstable given his loss to Major...
this korean vs foreigner bullshit is really tiring
You are underestimating foreigners? In reality the fact Neeb and Serral got eliminated is a huge upset. Neeb is better than Soo in PvZ and Serral could have and should have eliminated Inno or Gumiho. But this is just how tournaments go. It is still possible that a foreigner will win the tournament.
this korean vs foreigner bullshit is really tiring
You are underestimating foreigners? In reality the fact Neeb and Serral got eliminated is a huge upset. Neeb is better than Soo in PvZ and Serral could have and should have eliminated Inno or Gumiho. But this is just how tournaments go. It is still possible that a foreigner will win the tournament.
As long as they're in the tournament there is always a "possibility," but they are only in the tournament because of how players are seeded. Take the top 30 players from every region hold a B03 tournament and neither of them would be here. I'm not saying they're not good players, but they were seeded a spot from a weaker region if I'm not mistaken.
Edit: Tournament started with nearly 50/50 foreign/korean. Now it is 25/75. Of course some may make through, but the only reason a foreigner will make it through the next round is because they're both facing each other.
this korean vs foreigner bullshit is really tiring
You are underestimating foreigners? In reality the fact Neeb and Serral got eliminated is a huge upset. Neeb is better than Soo in PvZ and Serral could have and should have eliminated Inno or Gumiho. But this is just how tournaments go. It is still possible that a foreigner will win the tournament.
What kind of nonsense is this. Neeb somehow better than soO? The only korean zergs Neeb has ever beaten offline are Pet and Rogue (who recovered and beat Neeb 2-0 in a complete bop). If it was a close 2-1 or something I'd understand, but he went 2-5 against Rogue and soO overall
Serral went 1-4 against Gumiho, who isn't even close to Inno's level in TvZ. And the only map he won was a proxyhatch that went unscouted.
A foreigner will not win blizzcon either. Unless you expect soO/Inno/herO/Rogue to play as badly as Stats did
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