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Stats vs Dark: SSL Grand Finals Preview - Page 2

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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
September 23 2017 18:16 GMT
#21
On September 24 2017 03:01 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 00:37 ParksonVN wrote:
Dark has this most likely. I think Stats is in a slump.


Stats is always in a slump apprently. Even though he always wins so much, people never look at him like he's standing out.

Dark will still win though

But Stats doesn't actually win much at all. He won GSL Season 1 and that's it. Sure, he's super consistent and always places highly, but winning trophies? Not so much.
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 23 2017 18:34 GMT
#22
On September 24 2017 01:53 pvsnp wrote:
I think Inno was mentioned as many times as Stats/Dark in this preview....
Fan though I am, I'm a bit confused why he needs to feature quite so prominently in a preview for a finals he isn't playing in.

Still, a great preview that really highlights the deep history behind both of these guys heading into the finals.


That's good, it means he has truly ascended to the heavenly heights of MVP and Taeja in the Book of TL...
gg no re thx
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13990 Posts
September 23 2017 18:35 GMT
#23
On September 24 2017 01:53 pvsnp wrote:
I think Inno was mentioned as many times as Stats/Dark in this preview....
Fan though I am, I'm a bit confused why he needs to feature quite so prominently in a preview for a finals he isn't playing in.

Still, a great preview that really highlights the deep history behind both of these guys heading into the finals.

Inno dark and stats are the clear front runners of their respective races with inno only further solidifying that last week in gsl. It's all part of the grander story (which I have no doubt will be put on hold after super tournament when sOs wins blizzcon)
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LuLuneth
Profile Blog Joined July 2017
30 Posts
September 23 2017 19:07 GMT
#24
enjoyed this preview, hoping stats pulls his finger out
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 23 2017 19:38 GMT
#25
On September 24 2017 03:16 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 03:01 Fango wrote:
On September 24 2017 00:37 ParksonVN wrote:
Dark has this most likely. I think Stats is in a slump.


Stats is always in a slump apprently. Even though he always wins so much, people never look at him like he's standing out.

Dark will still win though

But Stats doesn't actually win much at all. He won GSL Season 1 and that's it. Sure, he's super consistent and always places highly, but winning trophies? Not so much.


By winning I mean general matches, not trophies. Stats consistantly does very well in almost every tournament yet never stands out for some reason.

I guess star power is a factor. I garantee if Zest or sOs had the same results that they would be hotter topics
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-23 20:35:19
September 23 2017 20:24 GMT
#26
On September 24 2017 04:38 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 03:16 pvsnp wrote:
On September 24 2017 03:01 Fango wrote:
On September 24 2017 00:37 ParksonVN wrote:
Dark has this most likely. I think Stats is in a slump.


Stats is always in a slump apprently. Even though he always wins so much, people never look at him like he's standing out.

Dark will still win though

But Stats doesn't actually win much at all. He won GSL Season 1 and that's it. Sure, he's super consistent and always places highly, but winning trophies? Not so much.


By winning I mean general matches, not trophies. Stats consistantly does very well in almost every tournament yet never stands out for some reason.

I guess star power is a factor. I garantee if Zest or sOs had the same results that they would be hotter topics

Star power is definitely a thing, but there's also just the boolean distinction people draw between winners and losers. Either you're the champion or you're nothing, and there aren't many reddit posts hyping the losers. Anyone not named soO finishing second just doesn't get much attention except as "the guy the champion beat to grab the trophy."

While Stats has placed highly in just about every tournament this year, only the most hardcore fans care about, or even notice, results like that. Stats is #1 in the WCS KR standings, but it's INnoVation (#2) who has gotten all the attention, all the hype, all the arguments for GOAT. Part of that is due to Inno's star power, yes, but more is simply because Inno has lifted four trophies this year to Stats's one.

When Tastosis screams about INnoVation being the best player in the world, being Mvp's equal, being the almighty machine of death and destruction, people tend to forget that Inno also dropped out way earlier than Stats did in the tournaments he didn't win. But since Stats didn't win them either, there hasn't been that same buildup of hype around him. People have short attention spans, and a nice clean list of shiny trophies is a lot easier to digest than a plethora of semifinalist or finalist finishes. Hype is as much a product of narratives as it is of results.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
September 23 2017 20:28 GMT
#27
I am conflicted about this final, i really like both players and both possible outcomes would add something interesting to the scene/history of the game.
Stats vs Dark is definitely a matchup which promises good games though so i will hope that's true tomorrow as well, may the better player win.
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Kreliann
Profile Joined September 2017
2 Posts
September 23 2017 20:35 GMT
#28
Hello!! I need URGENT help.

TL:DR; what venue is this in?


A friend of mine happens to be this sunday in Seoul, and want to use the opportunity to watch a SC match live. I found this match is the perfect opportunity, but cant find anywhere what the venue is!! Neither how to get tickets.
Any help is super appreciated!!.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-23 20:36:38
September 23 2017 20:35 GMT
#29
On September 24 2017 05:35 Kreliann wrote:
Hello!! I need URGENT help.

TL:DR; what venue is this in?


A friend of mine happens to be this sunday in Seoul, and want to use the opportunity to watch a SC match live. I found this match is the perfect opportunity, but cant find anywhere what the venue is!! Neither how to get tickets.
Any help is super appreciated!!.

I would assume the Nexon Arena, since that's where everything SSL is held:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexon_Arena
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Kreliann
Profile Joined September 2017
2 Posts
September 23 2017 20:37 GMT
#30
On September 24 2017 05:35 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 05:35 Kreliann wrote:
Hello!! I need URGENT help.

TL:DR; what venue is this in?


A friend of mine happens to be this sunday in Seoul, and want to use the opportunity to watch a SC match live. I found this match is the perfect opportunity, but cant find anywhere what the venue is!! Neither how to get tickets.
Any help is super appreciated!!.

I would assume the Nexon Arena, since that's where everything SSL is held:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexon_Arena



that was FAST. Thanks a lot pal!
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-23 20:44:40
September 23 2017 20:40 GMT
#31
On September 24 2017 05:37 Kreliann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 24 2017 05:35 pvsnp wrote:
On September 24 2017 05:35 Kreliann wrote:
Hello!! I need URGENT help.

TL:DR; what venue is this in?


A friend of mine happens to be this sunday in Seoul, and want to use the opportunity to watch a SC match live. I found this match is the perfect opportunity, but cant find anywhere what the venue is!! Neither how to get tickets.
Any help is super appreciated!!.

I would assume the Nexon Arena, since that's where everything SSL is held:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexon_Arena



that was FAST. Thanks a lot pal!

No problem.

I just double-checked. SSL Finals will be on Sunday, September 24th at 2:00 PM KST, at the Nexon Arena. Tickets are available for purchase on http://www.ticketlink.co.kr/ if you know enough Korean to find them.

Nvm, I found them: http://www.ticketlink.co.kr/product/17055
A bit less than $3 for A-class seats, $2 for B-class, and $1 for C-class. The money goes straight to the players.

Hope you enjoy watching!
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