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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On July 11 2017 07:33 necrosexy wrote: lol arbitrary ok ...he choked in the finals no less! Nobody is saying otherwise. You defining that as a no go for the title of "the best sc2 player ever" is still arbitrary though. And as i have shown you, even Flash choked a finals away in bw (well "choked" as in winning till matchpoint and then lose every game) Flash is obviously still the GOAT in bw (even though Jaedong was the better player  ) | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On July 11 2017 07:33 necrosexy wrote: lol arbitrary ok ...he choked in the finals no less! Completely and utterly arbitrary. Because you don't have any specific definition of what "best player in the world" entails and thus have no context with which to measure "choking in a finals" against. For example, if you specified that you are looking at Starleague trophies earned to determine the best player in the world, then choking in the finals would signify the loss of one such trophy. But as of now, you lack any sort of logic connecting "choking in a finals" to "best player in the world." Until you fill that logical chasm, your words are meaningless gibberish and I will happily treat them as such. Repeating meaningless gibberish like "he choked in the finals no less!" is equally meaningless the second time around. Exclamation marks don't exactly add logic, either. | ||
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necrosexy
451 Posts
On July 11 2017 08:38 pvsnp wrote: Completely and utterly arbitrary. Because you don't have any specific definition of what "best player in the world" entails and thus have no context with which to measure "choking in a finals" against. For example, if you specified that you are looking at Starleague trophies earned to determine the best player in the world, then choking in the finals would signify the loss of one such trophy. But as of now, you lack any sort of logic connecting "choking in a finals" to "best player in the world." Until you fill that logical chasm, your words are meaningless gibberish and I will happily treat them as such. Repeating meaningless gibberish like "he choked in the finals no less!" is equally meaningless the second time around. Exclamation marks don't exactly add logic, either. so a player who makes it to a GSL finals, wins 3 straight games over his opponent and then proceeds to lose 4 straight games is "completely and utterly arbitrary" with regard to whether this player is the "best Starcraft 2 player of all time."? let's agree to disagree. and don't take it so personally. feels like you're going to pop a blood vessel lol | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 08 2017 00:09 shadymmj wrote: innovation is as close as it gets to a "Flash" of sc2. you cannot play against him straight up, you just have to snipe him in mirrors and funny ideas. even then it's highly probable you'll still lose. life fam life | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On July 11 2017 10:26 necrosexy wrote: so a player who makes it to a GSL finals, wins 3 straight games over his opponent and then proceeds to lose 4 straight games is "completely and utterly arbitrary" with regard to whether this player is the "best Starcraft 2 player of all time."? let's agree to disagree. and don't take it so personally. feels like you're going to pop a blood vessel lol Pedantically, yes, even though the gaps can be filled with inference, you haven't specified the context so your point is totally arbitrary. Though if you want to end it here, I guess that works too. Also, I apologize if my post came off as angry, I'm actually enjoying myself.  | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
Life is out of the picture, don't bring him up he doesn't deserve to be called the best anymore. As great of a player and potential bonjwa that Life was, he is a fraud and a cheat, and please don't use the argument that he was 'young and immature', ain't a good one to excuse one. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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Elentos
55572 Posts
On July 12 2017 07:10 fishjie wrote: Who cares he lost a video game on purpose - its a trivial and irrelevant. Even if it were a big sporting event - again who cares? Not a crime and its victimless. Totally stupid and barbaric that he'd be in jail for that. He should be allowed to play again. It is literally a crime in Korea. And he will never play the game competitively again. It's time to get used to it. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On July 12 2017 07:10 fishjie wrote: Who cares he lost a video game on purpose - its a trivial and irrelevant. Even if it were a big sporting event - again who cares? Not a crime and its victimless. Totally stupid and barbaric that he'd be in jail for that. He should be allowed to play again. Korean law says it is a crime. The Korean man named 이승현, whose IGN is Life, was prosecuted under Korean law, found guilty by the Korean legal system, and sentenced by Korean judges. But by all means, fly to Seoul and scream at some unlucky bureaucrats about how you, the great and wise and enlightened FISHJIE think that the Korean people, the Korean nation, and the Korean civilization, are all "stupid and barbaric." If they can find any shits to give before throwing you out, I'm sure they'll be delighted to give them to you. I'd give you some myself, but alas, I find myself completely lacking any shits to give whatsoever. Just make sure to record the trip so I can die of laughter. | ||
Mizenhauer
United States1923 Posts
On July 12 2017 08:15 pvsnp wrote: Korean law says it is a crime. The Korean man named 이승현, whose IGN is Life, was prosecuted under Korean law, found guilty by the Korean legal system, and sentenced by Korean judges. But by all means, fly to Seoul and scream at some unlucky bureaucrats about how you, the great and wise and enlightened FISHJIE think that the Korean people, the Korean nation, and the Korean civilization, are all "stupid and barbaric." If they can find any shits to give before throwing you out, I'm sure they'll be delighted to give them to you. I'd give you some myself, but alas, I find myself completely lacking any shits to give whatsoever. Just make sure to record the trip so I can die of laughter. It was really refreshing to do an interview with a Korean on this matter while visiting the country. It's beyond offensive how some foreign fans (like this person) trample on and disregard Korean culture and laws by making outlandish statements like FISHJIE just did. Whether it's on TL or on twitch/afreeca/panda, it's disrespectful and really pisses them off (rightfully so). You'd think at the very least, people could keep such inflammatory opinions to themselves out of respect for fellow Starcraft fans. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On July 12 2017 08:37 mizenhauer wrote: It was really refreshing to do an interview with a Korean on this matter while visiting the country. It's beyond offensive how some foreign fans (like this person) trample on and disregard Korean culture and laws by making outlandish statements like FISHJIE just did. Whether it's on TL or on twitch/afreeca/panda, it's disrespectful and really pisses them off (rightfully so). You'd think at the very least, people could keep such inflammatory opinions to themselves out of respect for fellow Starcraft fans. Well said. And really, I should not have gone off the way I did at that poor sod, but I've just gotten so fed up dealing with the Life apologists and their woefully myopic "arguments" which always seem to devolve into pretentious moralizing. 이승현 can live however he pleases outside of competitive Starcraft. Life is dead. Let him rest. | ||
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