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[Code S] GuMiho vs soO - Grand Finals Preview - S2 2017

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[Code S] GuMiho vs soO - Grand Finals Preview - S2 2017

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June 23rd, 2017 17:38 GMT
  • A New Champion
  • Style Over Substance
  • Caught in a Loop


A New Champion

by Olli
[image loading] - TL_Olli


We're finally here. After years of struggling, this will finally be the moment. (Z)soO or (T)GuMiho - one of them will no longer be "just" them. They will from tomorrow on be known as "GSL Champion" soO or "GSL Champion" GuMiho. The other will remain who they are, someone who has fallen just short repeatedly and may never fulfill their potential. These are their journeys to the grand finals.

(T)GuMiho enters the finals after eliminating two TvT experts from the bracket. (T)TY and (T)Maru both proved resilient, but GuMiho's astounding form elevated him beyond them both. Before the quarterfinals, he had breezed through two very difficult groups with ease, not even dropping a single map.



(P)Zest and (T)aLive, who had just come off a highly impressive showing at the GSL Super Tournament, were quickly dispatched of by GuMiho.



ByuL and Trap did no better as (T)GuMiho continued to impress with his very own way of playing the game that now, perhaps more so than ever before, is also yielding the results he desires.




(Z)soO's latest path to the grand finals was no less impressive, as he took out the then-highest-ranked player on the Korean server, (Z)Rogue, and one of his best friends and yet biggest rivals, (P)Classic in the knockout stages. soO had a harder time in the group stages, but in traditional fashion only grew stronger as the knockout stages began.



(P)Trust and the then-reigning SSL Champion (Z)Solar both managed to take a map off soO, but couldn't stop him advancing in first place anyway.



The same applied to stronger opposition in the Ro16, where (Z)Losira and (T)Maru were only able to scratch soO, but not break him. Again soO took first place in his group.




After two months of tight competition, these two players have emerged as the best of the bunch. Both walked tough roads to reach the finals, prevailed against strong opponents and proved themselves superior to everyone else in the field. But now there's one more player remaining for each of them to overcome. Only then will their journey be complete. On Saturday the 24th, GSL Code S will crown a new champion.



GuMiho - Style over Substance

by Waxangel
[image loading] - SaintSnorlax


In 2010, some drunk esports god went into the progamer creation tool and decided to roll a new character. In a succession of barely thought out choices, he went with the absurd hybrid class of “technician-brawler,” and maxed out stats for Aggression, Creativity, and Guts. He glanced at the Finesse stat, decided it was unimportant, and concluded character creation. He named it “(T)GuMiho.”

GuMiho quickly became the single most entertaining player in StarCraft II. For most other players, ‘strategic growth’ in StarCraft II meant playing with more safety and stability. For GuMiho, it meant the sowing of chaos and disorder.

One way GuMiho achieved this was by turning the entire map into a battlefield, simultaneously striking at as many locations as possible. When GuMiho initiated this chaos doctrine, a single, large force was never to be used, when three smaller forces could be deployed instead. Enemy offensives not to be dealt with by consolidating troops on defense, but instead by weakening the defenses and sending out detachments to counter-attack. By design, GuMiho turned games into confusing, rollicking brawls.

It’s hard to tell exactly why GuMiho ever opted to play this way, given that he didn’t even have a good skill-set for it. By progamer standards, GuMiho was hardly elite at multi-tasking and micro. He was unable to keep up with his own attacks—if three forces were attacking at once, two of them were bound to get massacred due to a silly lapse in attention. Yet, efficiency never seemed to concern GuMiho. It was almost as if he venerated chaos out of sheer principle, and victory was just a side effect.

The other important way GuMiho created chaos was by becoming a mad-scientist type player, coming up with strategies his opponents could never predict. Finesse was the area he lacked most in, and trying to out-execute an opponent with well-known, standard strategies could only result in disaster. Attacking at unexpected timings, attacking with unexpected combinations of units, attacking at unusual locations—these became the keys in formulating strategies.

Sometimes, GuMiho would emerge from the lab with a brilliant and incisive build, a perfect counter to the hottest build in the metagame. At other times, he would unveil a build that was weird, seemingly, simply for the sake of being weird. GuMiho was equally happy with both—anything was a fine starting point, as long as it eliminated the possibility of playing a normal game.

Not surprisingly, the victories came, and they came a plenty. Too many players had become fixated on concepts like ‘standard’ and ‘optimization’, to the point where it became all too easy to destabilize their foundations and bring them crashing down.

Yet, even as GuMiho was celebrated for his thrilling victories and occasional triumphs, he became a player defined by his limitations. An early reality-check came in 2012’s Code S Season 1, where GuMiho’s semi-final run came to a devastating end. After leading the series 2-0, he allowed (Z)DongRaeGu to come back in a 3-2 reverse sweep.

DRG’s mechanics were exceptional in every way, from macro, to micro, to multi-tasking. He had exceptional defensive instincts and paid meticulous attention to scouting. He was built to take an opponent’s best punch, laugh it off, and level him with a brutal macro-haymaker. Yet, he was also completely capable of gutting an opponent with a surgically precise all-in of his own. Quite simply, he was a player in another class.

Against such a player, chaos and disorder might be imposed for a game or two. But it was not enough to topple them. DRG represented everything GuMiho could never be. For years, he represented everything GuMiho could never overcome.

******


GuMiho’s success in Legacy of the Void has been a compromise. Before, he was unique, in part, due to an unusual style that relied on a frenzy of multi-pronged attacks. In LotV, that style has been legislated into StarCraft II as a semi-mandatory part of the game. When mechanically superior progamers adapted that style, it turned out they were superior to GuMiho. When a peculiar mood strikes an (T)INnoVation or a (T)TY, they’ll take a break from bludgeoning their opponents with frontal attacks to play a beautiful game of multi-tasking and harassment. It’s a great demonstration of how GuMiho deserves to play.

And still, GuMiho has refused to have his identity stripped away, and doubled down on what makes him special. His games are as unpredictable and chaotic as ever, thanks to the strategies and build orders flowing from his ever-creative mind. Tank drops, mechanical compositions, and proxy-everythings have kept the spirit of chaos alive. Somehow, someway, this version of GuMiho has proved to be the strongest. After seven long years of fighting against orthodoxy, GuMiho finally has a chance to win a championship on his own terms.

The opponent couldn’t be more apt. soO is another DRG, another paragon of conventional excellence. In fact, few other players represent the triumph of sheer mechanics better than soO. He’s the sum of S-Tier, mechanically proficient monsters; the better version of every DRG, PartinG, or Rain that ever ended a GuMiho tournament run.

GuMiho was never like them, and can never be like them. But by winning the GSL, he’ll prove he never had to be.



soO - Caught in a Loop

by hexhaven
[image loading] - thehexhaven


Again.

Out of all the storylines to impress themselves on the StarCraft 2 scene over the years, there’s hardly a more complex and tragic one than that of soO. This will be (Z)soO’s sixth GSL finals appearance. The last five times he’s failed to win the trophy. His failure to win the title is now the stuff of legends, rivaling the reputation of Brood War’s (Z)YellOw, bordering on the mythical.

No other progamer has been able to reach six GSL finals during their career, which means soO is breaking new ground on Saturday the 24th of June. With StarCraft 2’s long-term future a bit uncertain in Korea, it’s very possible that his new record will remain forever. If there ever was any doubt about soO’s tenacity and passion for the game, they should be laid to rest. The amount of skill and talent involved should be lauded. With his decisive 4-0 semifinal win over (P)Classic, he has taken another step towards ridding himself of the Kong mockery.

If soO's story shows us anything at all, it is that results matter, and that maybe they’re the only thing that truly matters in this game.

Again.

To get back up after you’re knocked down, that takes determination. But to be thrown to ground and pull yourself back up repeatedly, unfazed by the odds, unfazed by how the deck is stacked against you, that takes guts. If there’s one thing soO has proven over the years without a shadow of a doubt, it is that he has guts. You can knock him down, you can push him to the very edge, but he possesses the determination all athletes absolutely need. His drive is to press ever onward, through even the darkest of moments. He has convinced himself that there is still light at the end of the tunnel, somewhere, that through sheer force of will it is yet possible to reach, no matter how long it may take.

We value tenacity in our favorite competitors. Seeing them ride once more unto the breach isn’t always expected, but it’s applauded every single time. We all of course wait with bated breath whether this will finally be soO’s breakthrough.

And yet we’re treading eerily familiar ground. .

Again.

This time around, the soO will bring his formal training to bear against (T)GuMiho, known for embracing the chaos wherever it’s spread. soO will be relying on his mechanical superiority, while GuMiho will be looking to disruption as his way to victory. A cursory glance at the finals would pit soO as the clear favorite. A true S-Class player against a Terran who’s seen a resurgence this year, but who simply cannot claim to be anything but the underdog, albeit a good one. It’s a story we’ve seen a thousand times over the years. And still, it’s precisely because soO is involved that that narrative breaks down.

Again.

Because what is there left to write about soO’s story? Tragedy and success are sometimes two sides of the same coin. Six GSL finals without a title, and he’ll be forever known as the eternal Kong of the scene. Six GSL finals and a single title, and he’ll be forever known as The Redeemer.

The silver medals are such a defining trait of his career that it’s difficult to see beyond them. They override almost all other ideas we may have of soO. It’s like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Every single time soO is brought up, we focus naturally on his failures, while praising his accomplishments in other areas at the same time. It’s as if soO’s essence was distilled into two stories, one of failure and of one of his skill and consistency, while the rest of him has vanished. He is a godlike Zerg, one of the best we will ever see. Every time he has reached the finals of Code S and lost, he has garnered yet more praise for his incredible abilities, and his failures have simultaneously become harder and harder to overlook.

Again.

In Greek mythology, Sisyphus was sentenced by the gods to rolling an immensely heavy boulder up a hill, only for the boulder to come rolling back down every time he had reached the top. This continued for all eternity. At this point, the comparison with soO has become painfully obvious.

It’s as if he was stuck in a loop, destined to repeat the same day over and over again. He’s the Colter Stevens, Rita Vrataski, Phil Connors of the competitive scene. He faces different opponents in every loop, always coming within inches of relief, but ultimately crumbling. Does he need to discover the cracks in the system like Stevens? Does he need to become a better person like Phil? Does he simply need to hone his skills to become the ultimate weapon like Rita Vrataski?

Is there even a way to return to his normal life? Will he be stuck in the loop forever, narrowly missing out on the GSL title every single time he reaches the finals? Will we likewise be stuck in the same loop, always narrowing soO down to just two facets, simultaneously praising his achievements and bemoaning the strange lack of them. Any final could be his last chance to set the record straight in his favor and smash his own image.

Again.

It’s entirely up to soO to break whatever curse has befallen him. Whether he wakes up on Sunday in the old timeline, or faces a new day is, as it always has been, down to only one question - can soO finally win?






A New Champion: Olli
Style over Substance: Waxangel
Caught in a Loop: hexhaven
Graphics: shiroiusagi
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 23 2017 17:48 GMT
#2
This lucky victory against Rogue is a sign
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kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary492 Posts
June 23 2017 17:48 GMT
#3
On June 24 2017 02:48 DieuCure wrote:
This lucky victory against Rogue is a sign


May the wisdom speak from you.
Why so serious?
blardoh
Profile Joined June 2017
20 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-23 17:49:46
June 23 2017 17:49 GMT
#4
What I find most interesting is that this whole tournament soO played 1 set for a terran and GuMiHo played vs only 1 zerg. We really havent seen much of their ZvT lately. Could be a completely 1 sided match or go all the way to game 7.
Naniel
Profile Joined October 2015
1 Post
June 23 2017 17:52 GMT
#5
soO is gonna reck faces! i hope soO =(
SHODAN
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1162 Posts
June 23 2017 18:00 GMT
#6
GuMiho, fucking end this zerg
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8991 Posts
June 23 2017 18:06 GMT
#7
Great article, I hope the final is as hype as it should be.

On June 24 2017 02:49 blardoh wrote:
What I find most interesting is that this whole tournament soO played 1 set for a terran and GuMiHo played vs only 1 zerg. We really havent seen much of their ZvT lately. Could be a completely 1 sided match or go all the way to game 7.

SoO and GuMiHo played some games against each other in olimoleague in the last few weeks with Gumiho comming on top.
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
June 23 2017 18:08 GMT
#8
my heart is cheering for soo but i think gumiho is gonna win. but gumiho is no less deserving, what a champion for sticking to it for 7 years and finally reaching such levels of success. both are truly inspiring and deserving players
Zest_is_best
Profile Joined October 2016
France15 Posts
June 23 2017 18:10 GMT
#9
Did zest really have a good GSL super tournament good showing ? He didn't qualify if I remember well xD
soO & INnoVation for life, jjakji, Dark, aLive and Classic as well - RIP skt :*
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 23 2017 18:12 GMT
#10
On June 24 2017 03:10 Zest_is_best wrote:
Did zest really have a good GSL super tournament good showing ? He didn't qualify if I remember well xD


aLive did, which is what the article says!
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Zest_is_best
Profile Joined October 2016
France15 Posts
June 23 2017 18:23 GMT
#11
Oh yeah i understood that both had a good showing, my bad !
soO & INnoVation for life, jjakji, Dark, aLive and Classic as well - RIP skt :*
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 23 2017 18:39 GMT
#12
GuMiho was never like them, and can never be like them. But by winning the GSL, he’ll prove he never had to be.


Loved this line. Gumiho in a nutshell
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stilt
Profile Joined October 2012
France2755 Posts
June 23 2017 18:40 GMT
#13
Had soO won all his finals, he would be top 3 ez...
He is the guy who deserves the most but still, despite my heart wish, I bet on Gumiho.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
June 23 2017 18:43 GMT
#14
On June 24 2017 03:40 stilt wrote:
Had soO won all his finals, he would be top 3 ez...

He'd be the undisputed #1, come on.
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Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-23 18:51:52
June 23 2017 18:51 GMT
#15
On June 24 2017 03:40 stilt wrote:
Had soO won all his finals, he would be top 3 ez...
He is the guy who deserves the most but still, despite my heart wish, I bet on Gumiho.


Had soO won 4 Code S in a row there would not even be a top 3 just soO and some other random dude whose names are long forgotten
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Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-23 18:52:06
June 23 2017 18:51 GMT
#16
woops double post sorry
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 23 2017 18:53 GMT
#17
On June 24 2017 03:43 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2017 03:40 stilt wrote:
Had soO won all his finals, he would be top 3 ez...

He'd be the undisputed #1, come on.


It seems to me that you forgot Cure
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Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
June 23 2017 18:55 GMT
#18
On June 24 2017 03:53 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2017 03:43 Elentos wrote:
On June 24 2017 03:40 stilt wrote:
Had soO won all his finals, he would be top 3 ez...

He'd be the undisputed #1, come on.


It seems to me that you forgot Cure


To forget you have to know first
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
June 23 2017 18:55 GMT
#19
soO writing up is soO melancholic and little bit sad; whereas Gumiho's is like fist banging the table saying "Here I am". It feels like gumiho is going to win but I'm cheering for the upset and calling a soO victory
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Zest_is_best
Profile Joined October 2016
France15 Posts
June 23 2017 20:25 GMT
#20
On June 24 2017 03:55 Argonauta wrote:
soO writing up is soO melancholic and little bit sad; whereas Gumiho's is like fist banging the table saying "Here I am". It feels like gumiho is going to win but I'm cheering for the upset and calling a soO victory


But wouldn't the upset be a GuMiho victory ?
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 23 2017 20:32 GMT
#21
On June 24 2017 05:25 Zest_is_best wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2017 03:55 Argonauta wrote:
soO writing up is soO melancholic and little bit sad; whereas Gumiho's is like fist banging the table saying "Here I am". It feels like gumiho is going to win but I'm cheering for the upset and calling a soO victory


But wouldn't the upset be a GuMiho victory ?


soO is 0-5 vs Finals and Gumiho has been kicking ass lately. Not to mention he has a sick record vs soO (though a lot of it is in online tournaments)
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Riner1212
Profile Joined November 2012
United States337 Posts
June 23 2017 20:45 GMT
#22
id be okay with either one of them winning. as a terran player id prefer gumiho to win but since soO has come close so many times, i wouldnt feel bad if soO won.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33699 Posts
June 23 2017 20:57 GMT
#23
AeromiBowl, with utter tragedy guaranteed no matter who loses
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Last Edited: 2017-06-23 21:03:00
June 23 2017 21:02 GMT
#24
Again.
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Thomasmarkle
Profile Joined June 2011
United States85 Posts
June 23 2017 21:09 GMT
#25
It really really breaks my heart seeing these 2 in the finals. soO just because he straight up deserves a victory (and is probably the better player overall). GuMiho, because he has been around for so long and he is such a quiet influence on the game. It is so hard for me to cheer for one over the other.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23579 Posts
June 23 2017 21:19 GMT
#26
This is the one. soO has to win it and he will.

If he loses tomorrow, he will never win a GSL. That would just not be right, so he will win.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 23 2017 22:05 GMT
#27
On June 24 2017 06:19 Musicus wrote:
This is the one. soO has to win it and he will.

If he loses tomorrow, he will never win a GSL. That would just not be right, so he will win.


Like a lot said in season 1
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
June 23 2017 22:15 GMT
#28
On June 24 2017 06:19 Musicus wrote:If he loses tomorrow, he will never win a GSL.


People say this every GSL lol
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
June 23 2017 23:05 GMT
#29
5oO wasn't enough now he wants 6oO? Gumigod can't be stopped.
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Malgo
Profile Joined March 2015
Germany76 Posts
June 23 2017 23:15 GMT
#30
On June 24 2017 07:05 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2017 06:19 Musicus wrote:
This is the one. soO has to win it and he will.

If he loses tomorrow, he will never win a GSL. That would just not be right, so he will win.


Like a lot said in season 1



is it wrong to say stats is a completely different opponent when it comes to mindset?
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-23 23:29:52
June 23 2017 23:24 GMT
#31
Season 1 Stats was in quite literally the form of his life and looked unstoppable. He had insane GSL+IEM runs and Adepts were ruling the meta.

Very different (far more daunting) than current Gumiho, who had close to a pure-mirror run with a pretty balanced TvZ meta.
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 23 2017 23:27 GMT
#32
On June 24 2017 08:24 pvsnp wrote:
Season 1 Stats was in quite literally the form of his life and looked unstoppable. He had insane GSL+IEM runs and Adepts were ruling the meta.

Very different (far more daunting) than current Gumiho, who had close to a pure-mirror run with a pretty balanced TvZ meta.


The thing is Gumiho is in great shape and it's maybe his only chance to win a GSL when soO is in normal form, i'm cheering for soO but Gumiho is impressive nowadays
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Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1960 Posts
June 23 2017 23:27 GMT
#33
On June 24 2017 08:24 pvsnp wrote:
Season 1 Stats was in quite literally the form of his life and looked unstoppable. He had insane GSL+IEM runs and Adepts were ruling the meta.

Very different (far more daunting) than current Gumiho, who had close to a pure-mirror run with a pretty balanced TvZ meta.


soO has said that he felt very confident going into his match with Stats. Not that it helped him win, but your assessment is not consistent with soO's opinion and mindset in the last or this final.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-23 23:48:19
June 23 2017 23:31 GMT
#34
On June 24 2017 08:27 mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2017 08:24 pvsnp wrote:
Season 1 Stats was in quite literally the form of his life and looked unstoppable. He had insane GSL+IEM runs and Adepts were ruling the meta.

Very different (far more daunting) than current Gumiho, who had close to a pure-mirror run with a pretty balanced TvZ meta.


soO has said that he felt very confident going into his match with Stats. Not that it helped him win, but your assessment is not consistent with soO's opinion and mindset in the last or this final.

?
I was talking about the perspective of us on TL, as fans, not soO. I assume the pros have their own thoughts and expectations and so forth but that's their business.

For instance a ton of people here on TL are claiming Gumiho is a massive favorite but Gumiho himself outright said "objectively I'm the underdog."

Different perspectives entirely. From the fan perspective, Stats was a far more daunting opponent in Season 1 than Gumiho is now.
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Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
June 23 2017 23:43 GMT
#35
Gumigod doesn't even need the finals curse for this one
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10128 Posts
June 24 2017 00:16 GMT
#36
soO got this! the redeemer!!!!!!!!!!!
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33699 Posts
June 24 2017 01:34 GMT
#37
I predict one game where Gumiho goes mech, soO makes swarm hosts and goes "hey why haven't I won for free?" as he get steamrolled
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lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 01:47:46
June 24 2017 01:47 GMT
#38
On June 24 2017 10:34 Waxangel wrote:
I predict one game where Gumiho goes mech, soO makes swarm hosts and goes "hey why haven't I won for free?" as he get steamrolled

At this point i would not be surprised if soO tried to pull out Nestea mech counter in the final game.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
June 24 2017 02:46 GMT
#39
On June 24 2017 05:57 Waxangel wrote:
AeromiBowl, with utter tragedy guaranteed no matter who loses

Its only a true AeromiBowl if we get lots of pictures of the loser crying and suffering. He has a fetish for that.
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AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
June 24 2017 03:24 GMT
#40
Win or lose, SoO is a MONSTER!
xwoGworwaTsx
Profile Joined April 2012
United States984 Posts
June 24 2017 04:14 GMT
#41
lets go soo!!!
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2223 Posts
June 24 2017 06:43 GMT
#42
ReDeEmEr
FlaSh MMA INnoVation FanTaSy MKP TY Ryung | soO Dark Rogue | HuK PartinG Stork State
JAG.war
Profile Joined May 2010
United States76 Posts
June 24 2017 06:55 GMT
#43
On June 24 2017 06:09 Thomasmarkle wrote:
It really really breaks my heart seeing these 2 in the finals. soO just because he straight up deserves a victory (and is probably the better player overall). GuMiho, because he has been around for so long and he is such a quiet influence on the game. It is so hard for me to cheer for one over the other.


This.
sOs, Parting, MC and JAGW.
LtCalley
Profile Joined March 2011
United States244 Posts
June 24 2017 07:18 GMT
#44
KING KONG!!!

the legend will continue....gumiho 4-3 soO
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Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
June 24 2017 07:28 GMT
#45
I just hope the games will be great (and soo win :p)
Haighstrom
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom215 Posts
June 24 2017 08:16 GMT
#46
Right, Soo. No more dicking about now. Just win this one GSL, and then we can all go home and finally get on with our lives and be happy.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
June 24 2017 08:19 GMT
#47
Come on soO !!!
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
June 24 2017 09:03 GMT
#48
So, Artosis cursed quality of finals. 4 proxies into 4-0 incoming.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
June 24 2017 09:25 GMT
#49
head says gumiho will win

heart wants soo to win, but also thinks gumiho is deserving

I DONT KNOW WHO TO ROOT FOR
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
June 24 2017 09:25 GMT
#50
Fuck is Fantasy doing there?
Michael Probu
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1219 Posts
June 24 2017 09:30 GMT
#51
soO got this!
~~(,,ºº>
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 11:28:33
June 24 2017 09:41 GMT
#52
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oh snap i just realized if soo wins this avilo will have an epic lulzworthy meltdown. so guess ill continue cheering soo
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 11:28:16
June 24 2017 09:45 GMT
#53
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I don't see how Soo can win, Raven/BC has no counter.

Edit : Ok Gumiho suicide his units

Edit : well, weird ending
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 11:28:24
June 24 2017 09:57 GMT
#54
+ Show Spoiler +
what a joke is the BC
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 11:27:57
June 24 2017 09:57 GMT
#55
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oh snap gumiho is a god. will avilo still whine after this game?
Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 11:28:06
June 24 2017 09:57 GMT
#56
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 24 2017 18:57 fishjie wrote:
oh snap gumiho is a god. will avilo still whine after this game?

He will say Soo hasn't made SH
-KG-
Profile Joined October 2012
Denmark1219 Posts
June 24 2017 10:16 GMT
#57
On June 24 2017 18:30 -KG- wrote:
soO got this!


Did I say soO? I meant GuMi..
~~(,,ºº>
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
June 24 2017 10:18 GMT
#58
Lets go SoO, you can do this mate!
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ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States741 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 11:27:42
June 24 2017 10:22 GMT
#59
+ Show Spoiler +
Gumigod making my night 100000%
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shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 11:27:34
June 24 2017 11:25 GMT
#60
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soo sad for soO but really glad for Gumiho!

Respect the guy since FXO

Tower terran for the win !

GG dude
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Vendethiel
Profile Joined February 2017
213 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 11:37:54
June 24 2017 11:26 GMT
#61
+ Show Spoiler +
GGGG
Maru <3
kajtarp
Profile Joined April 2011
Hungary492 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 11:29:27
June 24 2017 11:27 GMT
#62
+ Show Spoiler +
It's unbeliaveble how much stronger terran units are in general...
Why so serious?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 24 2017 11:29 GMT
#63
Please don't post spoilers in this thread.
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Tyrhanius
Profile Joined April 2011
France947 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 11:37:38
June 24 2017 11:30 GMT
#64
+ Show Spoiler +
Disgusting final, i'll stop watching SC2 from now.
Tchiz
Profile Joined November 2012
France6 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 11:37:30
June 24 2017 11:31 GMT
#65
+ Show Spoiler +
What is if Yellow go against Soo at a final ? Does Blizzard servers crash and result at a draw or what ?
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-24 11:40:12
June 24 2017 11:38 GMT
#66
1 spoiler or anything hinting at result = 1 mod action from now on

Put it in spoiler tags if you must.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
juvenal
Profile Joined July 2013
2448 Posts
June 24 2017 11:55 GMT
#67
On June 24 2017 20:30 Tyrhanius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Disgusting final, i'll stop watching SC2 from now.

what was wrong with it?
Michael Probu
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
June 24 2017 12:23 GMT
#68
On June 24 2017 20:55 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2017 20:30 Tyrhanius wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Disgusting final, i'll stop watching SC2 from now.

what was wrong with it?


+ Show Spoiler +
Mech i guess because of helpless feelings

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