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On March 06 2017 21:09 Vedeynevin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2017 11:24 Edowyth wrote:
However, if Tasteosis (and others) are correct that there are far more "best terrans" than "best Xs", then that does point to a balance issue, given that one would naturally assume that players' skill is relatively evenly distributed across races at the top.
I'm not necessarily disagreeing with anything else you said, but I think this is a terrible assumption to make. Given the vary small sample size of Korean pros, I don't think it's that unlikely for the distribution of the best players to be uneven among the races. This is clearly a thing in the foreign scene, with a disproportionate number of the top players being zerg.
Yes this is very likely, people underestimate how much idols skew the player base. The easiest example is how MoonGlaDe was the single best frontrunner for Australia and has therefore greatly influenced the player base so much that the amount of Zerg players from Australia heavily outnumbered the other races. Another example is BoXeR and the SlayerS Terrans, yes Terran was strong in the early WoL days, but so many Terran players have come from watching these guys play. Then when the Kespa guys switched this happened again, but with Protoss. Now Terran is back and I think it is a bit fishy seeing as Protoss was the most representated race at high levels from Korea in HotS, but still no doubt that ByuN and TY have had great impact on the player base.
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On March 06 2017 20:24 EngrishTeacher wrote:
gee gee gee gee baby baby baby, gee gee gee gee baby baby baby!
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i watched the streams with the sound off, so no complaints about the casters from me 
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I think them hyping Terrans alot has more to do with how the races work in general. It's easier to go crazy on the guy who attacks on three fronts than on the guy that defends that perfectly with positioning.
Pretty sure I remember casters going similar into hypemode on Protosses when they had more early/midgame attack variants like the blink all ins. Right now Protoss playstyle just doesnt seem to have these micro intensive options, at least not easily visible micro stuff. It basically has to go to Disruptors for the casters to get louder.
Also Toss harass is mostly suiciding units into workers, whereas Terran harass always has the goal to not waste own units.
Just how the races work I know you cant load in 12 adepts in a WP to escape. Overall I believe Terran is the race that the majority of ppl enjoy observing the most. Could be wrong there ofc, but TvZ was considered the best matchup for quite some time and if I had to rate the matchups right now top 3 would all involve T with the mirror in 3rd place.
Loved this IEM. Great production, lots of players, lots of games, good casters even starting to like Maynard^^ and just well done ESL.
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aLives style this weekend reminded me of oldschool Gumiho.
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Dang, gotta feel bad for Zerg, not only are they just weak in the metagame right now but Innovation and TY are just Zerg killing machines even when the match up is balanced.
Hopefully the buffs/nerfs go through soon, not taking anything away from the 2 best Terrans in the world who played awesome but watching Zerg and Protoss get rofl stomped again again despite good play is only fun for Terrans. Guess a few tank buffs did the trick 
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On March 07 2017 01:59 jpg06051992 wrote:Dang, gotta feel bad for Zerg, not only are they just weak in the metagame right now but Innovation and TY are just Zerg killing machines even when the match up is balanced. Hopefully the buffs/nerfs go through soon, not taking anything away from the 2 best Terrans in the world who played awesome but watching Zerg and Protoss get rofl stomped again again despite good play is only fun for Terrans. Guess a few tank buffs did the trick
after all that ryung is the last terran in gsl lol, the bias is real.
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came here to collect some protoss tears ... but is too much guys, can´t handle that many salty comments ^_^ ha
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SOMEONE ANSWER: @TeamLiquid Hide Spoiler feature. Is that intended to work for the first 24 hrs after the event ends? It works for me for a day or 2 then it shows who won the tournament I can't even come to this site anymore without watching the VOD first.
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On March 07 2017 05:15 ProBell wrote:
SOMEONE ANSWER: @TeamLiquid Hide Spoiler feature. Is that intended to work for the first 24 hrs after the event ends? It works for me for a day or 2 then it shows who won the tournament I can't even come to this site anymore without watching the VOD first.
Yes. That's the intent.
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Why are things like this not hidden as a Spoiler?!?!
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Yes. That's the intent.
I think it should last 3-5 days instead...
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This was one of the most delicious IEMs I have ever watched.
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On March 06 2017 11:53 pvsnp wrote:
The highest potential of a Protoss player is approximately equal to that of a Terran one.
And how would you measure that to make such a claim.
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Nice recap and what a day 6 for the tournament. Highly entertaining
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How about the gap between Korean and foreigner considered all the performances in this tournament ? I think it's even bigger than it was back to pre Blizzcon.
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On March 07 2017 15:23 ParksonVN wrote:
How about the gap between Korean and foreigner considered all the performances in this tournament ? I think it's even bigger than it was back to pre Blizzcon.
Considering who was beaten and by whom, no, foreigners performed significantly better. There were some wins and some very close sets with Koreans and foreigners in this tournament. It's helped by having way more games, but at Blizzcon there were around 13 wins, and only 6-10 of those wins I would consider impressive.
Here, you have Serral, Harstem, and Showtime performing well (despite losing their series) against top Koreans not to mention a lot of wins by foreigners against mid-Koreans like TRUE or Patience.
It is true that they got shredded in the playoffs, but that's still par for the course before and after Blizzcon (with the exception of Neeb in KeSPA cup).
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On March 07 2017 07:21 ProBell wrote:I think it should last 3-5 days instead...
Same here. 24 hours or whatever it is currently is not enough.
I came in here earlier today and saw a few spoilered headlines. I came back just now looking for info on something else, and suddenly the IEM finals results was un-spoilered. I thought I'd be safe. Was looking forward to watching the VODs during my lunch break, but now the fun is gone.
Dear TL, please extend the spoiler tag life to at least 3-5 days.
VODs like this are GOLD. For your business, for SC2, for the viewers, for the players...for everyone. Having a fresh result spoiled is a tangible loss of value.
And yes I know, I should know better, not go into TL at all when I know there's a fresh result out that I don't want to have spoiled...
The problem is that by that token I'd be locked out of TL 50% of the time because there are many tournaments I care about that I just can't watch live due to work, everyday life, etc.
And so, the spoiler tag is genius. If it'd be allowed to live long enough to actually serve its purpose.
Honestly though it would be easier to just not spoil results at all in your side menu headlines. Why is it actually necessary to do that? Why do you have to reveal the player names? Isn't "IEM Katowice Final Results - Day 6 Recap" hot enough a title? And then you could use TY's name in the title on top of the actual article.
I don't know, it seems like a lot of trouble just to be able to post the winners' names in the side menu headlines... So unnecessary IMO.
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