• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:45
CEST 07:45
KST 14:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow3[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30
Community News
MaNa leaves Team Liquid7$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy5GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding7Weekly Cups (May 30-Apr 5): herO, Clem, SHIN win0[BSL22] RO32 Group Stage5
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Quebec Clan still alive ? BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool
Tourneys
$5,000 WardiTV TLMC tournament - Presented by Monster Energy Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow JD's Ro24 review The Korean Terminology Thread so ive been playing broodwar for a week straight. ASL21 General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro24 Group F
Strategy
Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The China Politics Thread Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
How Streamers Inspire Gamers…
TrAiDoS
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1853 users

Chaos and precision as aLive, TY, Dark, and Stats progress…

Forum Index > SC2 General
34 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
March 05 2017 00:21 GMT
#21
Stats doing well! Tomorrow should be great.
~ The Ultimate Weapon
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
March 05 2017 00:52 GMT
#22
EEE where is the Stats v Byun VODS!! DYING HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
March 05 2017 01:04 GMT
#23
On March 05 2017 09:52 AxiomBlurr wrote:
EEE where is the Stats v Byun VODS!! DYING HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/126423408
no youtube vods yet
WriterForm is temporary, MMA is permanent || http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/508630-article-archive
zealotstim
Profile Joined February 2015
United States455 Posts
March 05 2017 01:22 GMT
#24
I can't recall a sports match where they did that sort of camera linger to the extent that they did in (T)ByuN's match. If so, that doesn't make it okay, just makes them both poor taste. This was more than we are used to seeing other times we've seen him or others lose as well, which I think explains why people were unhappy about it. Show the winner rather than lingering on the loser. You don't have the Superbowl broadcast following the losing team into the locker room to film how upset they are.
PharaphobiaSC
Profile Joined April 2016
Czech Republic457 Posts
March 05 2017 02:39 GMT
#25
I found weird that ppl are suprised that tl and reddit communities will complain about everything regarding sc2 or bw.. nothing is, will be and ever was good
twitch.tv/pharaphobia
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
March 05 2017 04:17 GMT
#26
On March 05 2017 10:04 munch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 09:52 AxiomBlurr wrote:
EEE where is the Stats v Byun VODS!! DYING HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/126423408
no youtube vods yet


LEGEND MUNCH!
fx9
Profile Joined November 2013
117 Posts
March 05 2017 04:34 GMT
#27
Hope this stops the casters' bias on inno. All the bullshit on unstoppable machine bla bla bla. (Especially annoying during his match with Dark)
Reason he looks remotely good is because he's playing an overlord race while abusing meta to the fullest. This guy has no shame using lopsided builds, just like the myungsik of Terran.
Whenever he plays mirror, he fails to impress. Not against Taeja, MMA, Maru, Byun, ryung & now against alive.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
March 05 2017 05:27 GMT
#28
Koreans showing no emotions = people not happy

Koreans breaking down with emotions = people not happy
gg no re thx
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-03-05 09:27:21
March 05 2017 09:19 GMT
#29
On March 05 2017 13:34 fx9 wrote:
Hope this stops the casters' bias on inno. All the bullshit on unstoppable machine bla bla bla. (Especially annoying during his match with Dark)
Reason he looks remotely good is because he's playing an overlord race while abusing meta to the fullest. This guy has no shame using lopsided builds, just like the myungsik of Terran.
Whenever he plays mirror, he fails to impress. Not against Taeja, MMA, Maru, Byun, ryung & now against alive.



Are you talking about Byun abusing reapers?

Then the power of a player isn't defined by his miror match up. Stephano could beat easily most of the foreigner while losing easily to any mid foreigner ZErg. INnoVation don't like TvT, thus he is still good at playing it.


INnOVation: according to Aligulac:

vs Byun they fought 7 times, he won 3 times

vs Taeja, they fought 13 times, he won only 4 times

vs MMA: they fought 5 times, he won 4 times.

vs Maru they fought 6 times he won 2 times

vs Ryung: they fought 12 times, he won 10 times

vs aLive they fought 13 times, he won 10 times.

Overall he is at 66% of winrate in TvT.

There is one thing more annoying than overhyping someone: it's belittling someone.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
March 05 2017 09:49 GMT
#30
On March 05 2017 18:19 Mun_Su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2017 13:34 fx9 wrote:
Hope this stops the casters' bias on inno. All the bullshit on unstoppable machine bla bla bla. (Especially annoying during his match with Dark)
Reason he looks remotely good is because he's playing an overlord race while abusing meta to the fullest. This guy has no shame using lopsided builds, just like the myungsik of Terran.
Whenever he plays mirror, he fails to impress. Not against Taeja, MMA, Maru, Byun, ryung & now against alive.



Are you talking about Byun abusing reapers?

Then the power of a player isn't defined by his miror match up. Stephano could beat easily most of the foreigner while losing easily to any mid foreigner ZErg. INnoVation don't like TvT, thus he is still good at playing it.


INnOVation: according to Aligulac:

vs Byun they fought 7 times, he won 3 times

vs Taeja, they fought 13 times, he won only 4 times

vs MMA: they fought 5 times, he won 4 times.

vs Maru they fought 6 times he won 2 times

vs Ryung: they fought 12 times, he won 10 times

vs aLive they fought 13 times, he won 10 times.

Overall he is at 66% of winrate in TvT.

There is one thing more annoying than overhyping someone: it's belittling someone.


Never forget that Taeja was 1-8 vs Flash.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
March 05 2017 10:58 GMT
#31
On March 05 2017 13:34 fx9 wrote:
Hope this stops the casters' bias on inno. All the bullshit on unstoppable machine bla bla bla. (Especially annoying during his match with Dark)
Reason he looks remotely good is because he's playing an overlord race while abusing meta to the fullest. This guy has no shame using lopsided builds, just like the myungsik of Terran.
Whenever he plays mirror, he fails to impress. Not against Taeja, MMA, Maru, Byun, ryung & now against alive.

Are we talking about the same player?
INnoVation is one of the most standard players there is, he almost never abuses cheesy/broken builds.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
SCHWARZENEGGER
Profile Joined July 2016
206 Posts
March 05 2017 11:12 GMT
#32
stats to all the protoss: "get good bitches"
ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
March 05 2017 11:25 GMT
#33
On March 05 2017 13:34 fx9 wrote:
Hope this stops the casters' bias on inno. All the bullshit on unstoppable machine bla bla bla. (Especially annoying during his match with Dark)
Reason he looks remotely good is because he's playing an overlord race while abusing meta to the fullest. This guy has no shame using lopsided builds, just like the myungsik of Terran.
Whenever he plays mirror, he fails to impress. Not against Taeja, MMA, Maru, Byun, ryung & now against alive.


Inmo is just ridiculously good, that's why there are so much hype on him. If it wasn't TvT, he would slap anyone like how he dominated Dark. Remember it's mirror, anyone can fall.
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
March 05 2017 15:08 GMT
#34
KT is still best KT
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
March 05 2017 17:47 GMT
#35
On March 05 2017 20:12 SCHWARZENEGGER wrote:
stats to all the protoss: "get good bitches"


Goes on to die to tank/liberator/mine push twice
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL
19:00
RO32 Group B
Sterling vs Azhi_Dahaki
Napoleon vs Mazur
Jimin vs Nesh
spx vs Strudel
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft480
NeuroSwarm 152
Nina 138
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 19269
GuemChi 4884
ggaemo 77
soO 44
scan(afreeca) 37
Bale 19
Noble 15
yabsab 10
Dota 2
ROOTCatZ186
League of Legends
JimRising 660
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv561
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0418
Mew2King87
Other Games
summit1g18059
RuFF_SC2110
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL356
Other Games
BasetradeTV233
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 79
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1635
• Rush1281
• Stunt474
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 15m
Wardi Open
4h 15m
Afreeca Starleague
4h 15m
Soma vs YSC
Sharp vs sSak
Monday Night Weeklies
10h 15m
OSC
18h 15m
Afreeca Starleague
1d 4h
Snow vs PianO
hero vs Rain
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 4h
GSL
1d 6h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
3 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
Escore
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
IPSL
5 days
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
6 days
Ladder Legends
6 days
BSL
6 days
IPSL
6 days
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W2
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W3
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
RSL Revival: Season 5
WardiTV TLMC #16
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.