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[Code S] Stats vs INnoVation, soO vs TY - Ro8 S1 2017

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February 21st, 2017 20:01 GMT

soO vs TY
Stats vs INnoVation
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soO vs TY



Upward Trajectory

There’s no denying it, (T)TY is a force to be reckoned with. Naysayers may point to a weak field at WESG or a GSL group in which only (P)Stats showed up to play, but the bottom line is that you only beat those in front of you. And that’s exactly what TY has been doing. After a quiet December, TY went on a tear to start the near year. He played 18 matches over 3 events, losing only 3 of them (to (T)Maru, (Z)ByuL and (T)Kelazhur). That’s quite the impressive mark, but what’s most important is the he was able to parlay that run into an outstanding performance in Group A of the round of 32.

Everyone who has followed TY is well versed in his nasty habit of tripping up when he shouldn’t. TY has been the victim of upsets before, but as of late he is taking care of business against those he is supposed to beat. This is the first step to becoming truly dominant, but it’s still not enough. TY never quite earned the title of “dominant” in 2016, but he came close. He was the best Terran for the first half of the year. His progress would stall, however, culminating with his dismissal from Blizzcon at (T)ByuN’s hands. Months removed from that loss, he looks every bit as threatening as he did at any point last year. The sky is the limit for TY, a player who has long been linked with infinite potential. The problem is, is does the community have any way of knowing how good he really is?

TY has been invisible in the online tournament scene so it’s still difficult to gauge where his TvZ is at. In fact TY’s last victory versus a quality Zerg not named (Z)Solar came all the way back in November ((Z)Elazer, (Z)Nerchio and (Z)soO). This has to be a little unsettling, but it’s been the story of TY as of late - lots of wins over inferior competition and little evidence that he really is as good as many think he is. TY came close last year, but he fell short (often in his accustomed clumsy manner) when it really mattered. And yet, he broke that trend at WESG, proving he was the superior Terran (if only for the moment). TY has been a pro for a very long time. He stepped out of the shadow of the expectation laden ID Baby and reinvented himself as TY. Now he finds himself on the verge of another metamorphosis. He’s already taken the first step, but that’s nothing compared to what’s in store. soO will not just roll over and he would like nothing better than to dash TY back to earth. Crunch time is approaching and the familiar narrative has to be nagging at TY’s thoughts. Will he fold to the pressure as he has so many times before or forge a new legacy? TY may have tasted victory at WESG, but he has yet to reach the mountaintop. For TY, Wednesday marks the first true step in pursuit of greatness.

Beaten but not broken

A lot of superlatives are thrown around in Starcraft 2. (P)Classic’s group planning is intelligent. Byun’s control is unprecedented. (T)INnoVation’s macro is flawless. Then what words can be used to describe soO? Kong or second best may seem accurate but they are tiny snapshots of a player who has been one of the best for years. More appropriately it is resilience, grit, hunger, peerless mechanics, unpredictability, a clutch gene few appreciate and determination that encapsulate soO. 2017 has been evidence of that. It was soon after Blizzcon that soO announced his return to prominence with a victory over ByuN in Olimoleague. It wasn’t a flash in the pan either because the wins kept coming. By the time GSL started, soO was considered one of the elite again.

He exhibited resilience by coming back from behind against (P)Billowy in the round of 32. In the next round he displayed grit as he navigated though a group in which he was considered the underdog. That didn’t stop him, though, because soO is a man on a mission. He wants a GSL title and along with his always peerless mechanics, he has begun to show the unpredictability which characterized his play in 2014. soO has a wide variety of builds and he has a knack for using them at the right time. Be it 12 pools against Billowy in the round of 32 or a every Zerg under the sun in online events, soO’s strategies are difficult to predict and incredibly lethal.

With the group stage behind him, soO is finally in familiar territory. soO has never lost a match in the GSL playoffs prior to the finals. In fact he’s only lost 10 games over the course of 8 matches (6 of them against (P)Zest and (Z)Life). So what is one to draw from that statistic? The truth is soO is not the choke artist everyone thinks he is. In fact he is a paragon of determination. His comeback victory against Zest in the semifinals of 2014 GSL Season 3 is something he will have to channel in his match against TY. soO is hungry to write a different ending this time around. He is closer now than he has been in 2 years, but to advance he will have to play the role of spoiler. soO is one of the most popular players in Korea and abroad. As much as his fans love to mock him for his failures, they would love to see him succeed.

As soO goes for his 9th consecutive win in the pre-finals playoffs he should be nothing but confident. Despite the odds, he has never given up before, clawing his way back to the top over and over despite crushing defeats. For all the words used to describe soO only one truly fits. soO is a legend and his ultimate goal is once more in sight. Nothing will stop him and unfortunately for TY, he is in the way.

Troubles of our time

While the community bemoans the strength and weakness of various races, the players have no choice but to soldier on in spite of any disadvantages. soO, more than anyone, knows that condition well. He is the last Zerg remaining in Season 1, the final champion of a race which won half the Starleagues in 2016. Zerg is perceived as weak against both Terran and Protoss and the question on everyone’s mind is: what is soO supposed to do against “overpowered” tactics and units like mech, parade pushes, carriers and adepts/phoenix play? Have no illusions, soO is asking himself the same thing. It will be his job to solve a puzzle that he (and nearly every Zerg) has been unable to crack as of late. Poor performances against INnoVation in GSL as well as dreadful ladder sessions against (T)aLive paint the picture of a man who just isn’t sure what the answer is.

TY, on the other hand, is not burdened by such worries. He is after all, a Terran, the most recent beneficiary of the mercurial force known as “balance”. There are 4 Terrans in the quarterfinals and 3 of them are looking like world beaters (sorry (T)Ryung TT) favored to reach the semifinals. The last time a GSL semifinals contained three players of a particular race was only last year when (P)MyuNgSiK, (P)Dear and (P)sOs made it, but somehow this feels a bit more sour. This certainly isn’t the blink era or BL/Infestor, but many have been given pause for thought at the strength of Terran. It’s not just titans like TY, Maru and INnoVation (again sorry Ryung, a single quarterfinal appearance last year doesn’t cut it) that are enjoying great form. Players who are normally afterthoughts like (T)Bunny, (T)aLive and (T)KeeN all spent some time in the limelight this season. The tides of change are in TY”s favor, but that won’t be enough on its own. Anything can happen in a single match. TY will have to rely on his own guile and efficient gameplay if he is to topple one of the most talented players of all time.

Stats vs INnoVation



Hail, Machine Overlord!

There is very little doubt that (T)INnoVation—at this point in time—is the most dominating force in StarCraft 2 worldwide. We oftentimes tend to focus on the hiccups of his performances, like his small missteps in Nation Wars IV or singular losses in online tournaments, happily ignoring the path of devastation he’s left behind otherwise. We want to believe that the Machine is able to bleed like any other player, want to ignore how dominating he really has become. Why is that so? No one can probably answer that question to full satisfaction, but maybe it’s because we slowly begin to realize that a certain legend’s throne is suddenly not completely secure, not out of reach anymore: INnoVation, if you so will, is shaking one of the core principles and beliefs of our community.

A few short peeks at the statistics will provide impressive underlining to that scenario—and a bit of nightmare material for his opponents. INnoVation had good and bad phases in his career like any other elite player, but no matter which phase he was in at a certain point in time, there was one fundamental fact that gave hope even to the least notable of his opponents: The Machine is easy to cheese, especially for Protoss players. Indeed, INnoVation with his image of clean, mechanical, and predictable play is basically still the antithesis to the dirty machinations of cheesy players. The days in which foul play was like Kryptonite to INnoVation are long gone, though. Yes, it’s still probably the easiest way to defeat him, but that’s true for every player. As time has gone by, the Machine has adapted more and more, the vulnerabilities of the old days are vanquished. Indeed, he himself has learned a thing or two about cheesing, employing a more diverse set of strategies over time.

INnoVation isn’t as predictable as he once was—the scary thing is, he’s still as fast and mechanical. He’s a much more complete and well-rounded package now, tempered in hundreds of tournament games, familiar with the feelings—pardon, parameters—of the greatest wins and losses possible in this business. If INnoVation can continue to dominate the scene and crown himself with another title this season, then we will truly live in the era of the Machine. In the end, it’s titles that bring the recognition and prestige needed to become ingrained into people’s minds as the greatest of legends. And only then we really have to start evaluating the history books again.


Legacy of Void

Few Protoss players can ever hope to be compared with the skills of (P)Stats. He is one of the deadliest and most solid representatives of that race. Yet, when it comes to the small, very elite group of Korean Protoss players, who form the worlds’ most respected cadre, Stats is the one, who must look up to the others. His former colleague (P)Zest, in whose shadow Stats always stood, and the Smiling Assassin (P)herO have won glory all over the world and also raked in the star league titles needed to cement their legacies. Although he hasn’t won any star league yet, (P)sOs’ legend will forever be told, his name will live on in history.

Stats, although the holder of many top 4 placements over the years, which show for how long he has been one of the most consistently great players in the scene, lacks this defining success. Yes, he’s won the first SSL-GSL Cross Final last year, which certainly was a big deal at the time: He finally overcame Zest and avenged his recent Grand Final loss against Dark. But this is not an achievement, which provides a huge amount of prestige. It’s not a star league title, not the gold medal of a large overseas tournament. If those Cross Finals will remain as the pinnacle of Stats’ career, he has failed on the greatest task a StarCraft 2 player can ultimately achieve: To make his name stand the test of time.

Of course, this must not be the case. Fate is still in Stats’ own hands and even though he might be an underdog against the sheer force of destruction that is INnoVation, he has the capabilities to stop even him. Stats never lacked the skills to reach the final phase of a league—his flaw is his lack of cold bloodedness to finish the job. On top of that, he already met the Terran two times this month, losing the first Bo3 cleanly, but then sweeping the second one a day later. He knows how to handle INno even in his present shape. Beating the Machine could provide the momentum Stats needs to ride into the Grand Finals, take the title he deserves for so long now, and finally instate his own legacy. Not a void one, but one of consistency and hard work, which pays off in the end.

Predictions:

(Z)soO 2 - 3 (T)TY
(P)Stats 2 - 3 (T)INnoVation



Credits:
Writers: Mizenhauer, TheOneAboveU.
Editors: CosmicSpiral, Olli.
Graphics: shiroiusagi.
Stats: Aligulac

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Elentos
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55553 Posts
February 21 2017 20:01 GMT
#2
Wouldn't it make more sense to have them in the order they're played?
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Olli
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Austria24417 Posts
February 21 2017 20:04 GMT
#3
Is that really all you have to say about the preview?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
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Last Edited: 2017-02-21 20:15:39
February 21 2017 20:09 GMT
#4
On February 22 2017 05:04 Olli wrote:
Is that really all you have to say about the preview?

It was the very first thought that crossed my mind before I even had time to read it. So at that point it was. After reading it, I enjoyed the preview (for the most part) and I hope the results come true because they're pretty much exactly what I'm hoping for.

Btw, the link for the "short" part of "short peeks" in the paragraph about INnoVation is broken.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24209 Posts
February 21 2017 20:16 GMT
#5
I wouldn't be surprised if TY is actually not that solid in TvZ and drops to some sneaky soO preparation.

For the other match, I don't expect a close series between INnoVation and Stats. INno could probably drop a map but I'll be surprised if it's 2.

Anyway, awesome preview and I'm looking forward to the matches in a way I had forgotten ! Passion is alive !
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
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Last Edited: 2017-02-21 20:23:26
February 21 2017 20:22 GMT
#6
On February 22 2017 05:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if TY is actually not that solid in TvZ and drops to some sneaky soO preparation.

Sure he could lose to something sneaky. But realistically, how often? Once, maybe twice. By the 3rd time at the latest TY should know better. If they play straight-up, TY is gonna be pretty favored. And it's not like TY isn't someone who likes to prepare some special things for his opponents himself.
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Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-21 20:27:42
February 21 2017 20:27 GMT
#7
I know TY has an edge over soO and frankly soO ZvT is not that solid. But I really hope soO would prevail because I want to have a Z in Ro4 and also he deserves it. I'm not gonna balance whine here but the current state of Terran is just making it very hard to other 2 races to go far. Zerg dies left and right. Protoss has to be super cheesy, crazy stuff early game to get ahead. Otherwise, they suffer same faith as Z. It's not even funny to keep seeing a bunch of TvT all over the places.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
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Last Edited: 2017-02-21 20:31:17
February 21 2017 20:30 GMT
#8
Imo INno vs Stats should have been the first match and gone a few days in advance.

Because if INno wins that I don't need to feel as bad for not supporting soO.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16769 Posts
February 21 2017 21:02 GMT
#9
i play terran and there are less than 8 terrans in the quarter finals so the reason i'm not in masters yet is that Terran is underpowered. Clearly a buff to the Tank, Thor and Cyclone is an absolute necessity.
On February 22 2017 05:04 Olli wrote:
Is that really all you have to say about the preview?

its a nice preview. thx to TL.Net for making it.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
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Last Edited: 2017-02-21 21:12:01
February 21 2017 21:06 GMT
#10
I think TY's storyline here is a bit fabricated I would argue that his second place in GSL already was a good "first step to greatness" tbh. But sure i agree that he still has to show more to deserve a place around the all time greats.
True though that it's hard to be confident about his lvl of play because we don't really see much of him. Still i would interprete that as him taking GSL very seriously, which is good


And yeah Innovation is the most likely candidate to become the new GOAT, personally i would already consider it if he wins one more GSL simply because the lvl of play during his wins was higher than Mvp's and the lvl of competition as well (even now, without a doubt when he won the other two GSLs)
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
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February 21 2017 21:08 GMT
#11
On February 22 2017 06:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I think TY's storyline here is a bit fabricated I would argue that his second place in GSL already was a good "first step to greatness" tbh.

I think TY has taken a lot of good "first steps to greatness" and then tripped on the second or third step and rolled back down the stairs to start over with a new first step.
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16769 Posts
February 21 2017 21:45 GMT
#12
On February 22 2017 06:08 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 06:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I think TY's storyline here is a bit fabricated I would argue that his second place in GSL already was a good "first step to greatness" tbh.

I think TY has taken a lot of good "first steps to greatness" and then tripped on the second or third step and rolled back down the stairs to start over with a new first step.

".... and folks he has a chance to take a baby step towards greatness in this cut throat quarter-finals ..."
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13978 Posts
February 21 2017 21:53 GMT
#13
sick pun at the end. this looks really tough for stats, I really hope he finds a way to pull through
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
February 21 2017 23:31 GMT
#14
I'm hoping innovation can make it happen I've been cheering for him since he was dominating with hell bat drops at the start of hots
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transamf4n
Profile Joined February 2017
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February 22 2017 00:03 GMT
#15
I want soo to win, but i doubt he takes 2 maps. he doesn't seem very strong in zvt at the moment.
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
February 22 2017 00:47 GMT
#16
Great preview as always, I would love for Stats and soO to rofl stomp these Terrans, but I agree with the predictions here, T is power atm and TY and Inno are the men for the job
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United States367 Posts
February 22 2017 01:25 GMT
#17
I'm gonna root for soO no matter what, but the odds look pretty grim
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ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States694 Posts
February 22 2017 02:16 GMT
#18
+ Show Spoiler +
I really like how the previews are starting to read more like the previews of Broodwar when I started following in 08. Because of the way Legacy has been tweaked, the truly dominant players are beginning to become less and less upset-able, and predictions are beginning to feel more representative what should actually happen. There's a little bit too much "Fate this, fanfare that", but otherwise I am really enjoying the direction the scene is heading in terms of actual content.


As for my predictions, soO is really strong ZvP, but ZvT is closer to average. TY I don't know as well, so I'm 50/50 on who takes that. I'll just guess soO 3 - 2 TY
Stats has been playing absurdly well recently, but Innovation is the machine. I think stats breaks him with some solid timing attacks with a lot of gateway units in 2 games, and they macro it out evenly in two others. I say Stats 3 - 1 Innovation
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Last Edited: 2017-02-22 02:57:10
February 22 2017 02:57 GMT
#19
3-1 Stats? Bold prediction, Cotton.
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Peru10082 Posts
February 22 2017 04:06 GMT
#20
in both series i believe soO and Stats could surprise their oponentes but i find extremely difficult that the terrans lose in a bo5 series. i would expect two 3-1 in this part of the ro8.

thanks for the preview, it was really fun and informative ♥
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Profile Joined January 2017
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February 22 2017 04:20 GMT
#21
Great preview!
Think soO's was especially nice, though INnoVation as the greatest seems a little premature. If he wins Katowice and GSL, then his claim on the throne will be incontestable, but not yet I think.

Please soO, the weight of all Zerg falls on your shoulders. Nothing against TY, but I hope he falls and falls hard.
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AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
February 22 2017 05:01 GMT
#22
EEEEEEEEEEk HYPU~~~What a treat it has been to watch both Winnovation and Stats stream this last week...Whilst they have only played each other a few times (my count was 3-1 in favor of Inno) the games were super close! Shizzz is real boys! get ya beers, get ya popcorn, get ya widescreen ready, roll up a little cheeky number, get ya special lady or man friend prepped TVZ and PVT EPIC ACTION coming ur way in bout 4 hours..ARRGHHHHHH (rips shirt off Hulk Hogan style whilst dancing the Macho Man Randy Savage Jig!)

PS MY GOD I hope Stats shows up and dismantles INnovation the wayhe did to Byun! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK...

The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
February 22 2017 06:34 GMT
#23
On February 22 2017 14:01 AxiomBlurr wrote:
EEEEEEEEEEk HYPU~~~What a treat it has been to watch both Winnovation and Stats stream this last week...Whilst they have only played each other a few times (my count was 3-1 in favor of Inno) the games were super close! Shizzz is real boys! get ya beers, get ya popcorn, get ya widescreen ready, roll up a little cheeky number, get ya special lady or man friend prepped TVZ and PVT EPIC ACTION coming ur way in bout 4 hours..ARRGHHHHHH (rips shirt off Hulk Hogan style whilst dancing the Macho Man Randy Savage Jig!)

PS MY GOD I hope Stats shows up and dismantles INnovation the wayhe did to Byun! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK...


Ladder is one thing, tournament play is another beast though
While i am a KT guy (only sporting JinAir now because KT is gone, rip) i actually kinda want Innovation to win. He is far from my favorite player (i am not even a fan) but i would love it if a guy dominates the scene a bit. Also Innovation is the closest to becoming the GOAT out of anybody still playing (maybe Zest) and this Mvp circlejerk is getting on my nerves
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AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
February 22 2017 07:29 GMT
#24
On February 22 2017 15:34 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2017 14:01 AxiomBlurr wrote:
EEEEEEEEEEk HYPU~~~What a treat it has been to watch both Winnovation and Stats stream this last week...Whilst they have only played each other a few times (my count was 3-1 in favor of Inno) the games were super close! Shizzz is real boys! get ya beers, get ya popcorn, get ya widescreen ready, roll up a little cheeky number, get ya special lady or man friend prepped TVZ and PVT EPIC ACTION coming ur way in bout 4 hours..ARRGHHHHHH (rips shirt off Hulk Hogan style whilst dancing the Macho Man Randy Savage Jig!)

PS MY GOD I hope Stats shows up and dismantles INnovation the wayhe did to Byun! EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK...


Ladder is one thing, tournament play is another beast though
While i am a KT guy (only sporting JinAir now because KT is gone, rip) i actually kinda want Innovation to win. He is far from my favorite player (i am not even a fan) but i would love it if a guy dominates the scene a bit. Also Innovation is the closest to becoming the GOAT out of anybody still playing (maybe Zest) and this Mvp circlejerk is getting on my nerves


Yeah I know what you mean - - I totally thought Dark was untouchable for a while there, but even he slipped off. Mvp ruled a different age, Zest has really failed to show up this season (losing to Keen for example), but Inno is still consistent as ever. I got my beer ready!!!!
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Profile Joined February 2017
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February 22 2017 07:40 GMT
#25
hyped for TY tonight! I think his wide use of the 3 RAX will be tricky for soo to deal with.
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South Korea2105 Posts
February 22 2017 07:53 GMT
#26
On February 22 2017 16:40 theODIN wrote:
hyped for TY tonight! I think his wide use of the 3 RAX will be tricky for soo to deal with.


Not with the current map pool
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Germany2727 Posts
February 22 2017 08:26 GMT
#27
let's go soO!
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Germany1278 Posts
February 22 2017 08:56 GMT
#28
Owww, you're still giving soO for the defeat.
Is that a way to help him get through using TL curse maybe? :D
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1886 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 11:26:44
February 22 2017 09:31 GMT
#29
On February 22 2017 17:56 AbouSV wrote:
Owww, you're still giving soO for the defeat.
Is that a way to help him get through using TL curse maybe? :D


I picked him on liquibet
EDIT: And profited
┗|∵|┓Second Place in LB 28, Third Place in LB 29 and Destined to Be a Kong
Sound1
Profile Joined August 2016
France93 Posts
February 22 2017 10:18 GMT
#30
WTH ! Please can someone tell me why TY didn't climb to the main with his cheese in game 2 ? :O

The old school marines bunker rush is probably one of the most deadly terran cheese. You have no choice but kill the Z and he decided to rally his marines to his base after destroyed Soo s B2 ...still to don't understand his move.

Fortunatly, he won this one.
Go go TY !!
Startale Sound Fan boy Forever !
Fej
Profile Joined July 2011
Hungary26 Posts
February 22 2017 12:30 GMT
#31
soOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!44444444444444
IAmWithStupid
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
Russian Federation1016 Posts
February 22 2017 12:35 GMT
#32
dat predictions though!
Insert wise words here
corydoras
Profile Joined November 2013
161 Posts
February 22 2017 12:43 GMT
#33
Okay, there goes my streak in liquibets. Two comeback was something I wouldn't predict anyway.
Adun toridas!
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
February 22 2017 12:46 GMT
#34
You cant compete as terran, i knew it since leenock ( worst zerg ) won against Cure ( bonjwa )

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verecunda
Profile Joined July 2015
Korea (South)121 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 14:02:10
February 22 2017 13:53 GMT
#35
Honestly I didn't expect either soO or Stats to make it, but I have never been happier to lose liquibet points. Gratz soO and Stats!

Great preview by the way, the insight on soO's qualities seems particularly relevant today.
Vutalisk
Profile Joined August 2016
United States680 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 14:06:34
February 22 2017 14:05 GMT
#36
soO got some nerves on him, man. Last group, 0:2 to Inno, beat Dark 2:0, down 0:1 to Classic and came back 2:1. Today, down to 0:2 to TY which was just terrible given how strong TY was and then AGAIN for the second times, came back 3:2.

It shows that skills and matchup sometimes are irrelevant if the mentality is soO strong . TY looked pretty tilted after soO evened the score at 2:2.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10082 Posts
February 22 2017 15:10 GMT
#37
wtf happened... i am speechless
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
February 22 2017 15:11 GMT
#38
On February 22 2017 21:43 corydoras wrote:
Okay, there goes my streak in liquibets. Two comeback was something I wouldn't predict anyway.


Can confirm. T_T
Moderatoralias TripleM | @TL_TripleM | Big Dark Energy!
Snarosc
Profile Joined January 2016
France66 Posts
February 22 2017 15:18 GMT
#39
Haha, both my liquibets went right today, no TvT finals incoming, and soOjwa's first GSL title looks more possible now than ever.

Today is a great day.
Stats is the best player of LotV.
Peeano
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Netherlands5127 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-22 15:26:25
February 22 2017 15:24 GMT
#40
It's nice to see Stats, Bogus, Baby and soO doing well for themselves
FBH #1!
ruypture
Profile Joined May 2014
United States367 Posts
February 22 2017 17:58 GMT
#41
I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO HAPPY TO HAVE A WRONG LIQUIBET

I LOVE SOO
어윤수|이신형|이재동|이승형
SneakingApple
Profile Joined September 2011
30 Posts
February 22 2017 18:46 GMT
#42
Both my liquibets was right today.
Mizenhauer
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1886 Posts
February 22 2017 20:28 GMT
#43
On February 23 2017 03:46 SneakingApple wrote:
Both my liquibets was right today.


Point total now?
┗|∵|┓Second Place in LB 28, Third Place in LB 29 and Destined to Be a Kong
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