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zakadar
Profile Joined December 2015
Germany409 Posts
December 14 2016 20:11 GMT
#21
Way better than Blizzcon.

ByuL/soO/Maru vs Bogus/ByuN/Dark finals plz.

Excluding the ZvZ possibility all of those sound great. Protoss just needs to leave :p

a final with stats vs inno,dark or byun could be great
TY my boy gogo
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
December 14 2016 20:34 GMT
#22
On December 15 2016 05:11 zakadar wrote:
Show nested quote +
Way better than Blizzcon.

ByuL/soO/Maru vs Bogus/ByuN/Dark finals plz.

Excluding the ZvZ possibility all of those sound great. Protoss just needs to leave :p

a final with stats vs inno,dark or byun could be great


Stats vs Trust....the matchup that no one would predict or want, but which would still probably be pretty good.

I say that if Byun makes it past Dark, then the best finals would probably be against Maru or Stats. I think he would do very well against soO or Byul.

I think Dark vs Maru would be a good final. I think Innovation vs Maru/Zerg would be good. I don't really want a ZvZ matchup, but TvT isn't bad, and I saw some good PvP.
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
December 14 2016 20:40 GMT
#23
On December 15 2016 05:34 FrkFrJss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2016 05:11 zakadar wrote:
Way better than Blizzcon.

ByuL/soO/Maru vs Bogus/ByuN/Dark finals plz.

Excluding the ZvZ possibility all of those sound great. Protoss just needs to leave :p

a final with stats vs inno,dark or byun could be great


Stats vs Trust....the matchup that no one would predict or want, but which would still probably be pretty good.

I say that if Byun makes it past Dark, then the best finals would probably be against Maru or Stats. I think he would do very well against soO or Byul.

I think Dark vs Maru would be a good final. I think Innovation vs Maru/Zerg would be good. I don't really want a ZvZ matchup, but TvT isn't bad, and I saw some good PvP.

I think ByuN vs Stats would be horribly one-sided tbh
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-14 21:05:30
December 14 2016 21:04 GMT
#24
My question was only to ask if I should watch any particular games. I'm interested if mech is viable, and I was hoping maybe Innovation, anyone really, went full mech for a long game that against zerg or protoss.

Some people read replies and automatically jump to conclusions.

Honestly, I would have expected many pros to not use mech yet. Maybe have tanks as support to bio with a few mines, but not a full tank entrenchment. There is still so much work to make a full mech build viable. Pros refine their builds, but that takes a shit load of time. All the terran players are still working on that refinement. I can't wait to see if they bust out a full mech build in the quarter finals, but incredibly surprised as well.

It's still too early to tell how viable is full mech, or if it is at all. Mech could also very well turn into a long 3 hour game that ends in split maps and boring stalemate potential. Or have a glaring weakness that makes it practically useless.

I am truly excited to see how full mech works out.
dr3am_b3ing
Profile Joined May 2015
Canada188 Posts
December 14 2016 21:04 GMT
#25
Hoooooly that is an amaaaaazing bracket. #4 lackluster but Maru back in an RO8? Hope the man is back in form
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
December 14 2016 21:30 GMT
#26
Stats ! Destroy the dwarf !
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9405 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-14 22:01:40
December 14 2016 21:59 GMT
#27
My question was only to ask if I should watch any particular games. I'm interested if mech is viable, and I was hoping maybe Innovation, anyone really, went full mech for a long game that against zerg or protoss.


Me too, but no luck. And I think the "issue" is that terrans have become so fantastic at controlling bio units that they feel they have more control over the game when they play bio.

Personally I would really like it if Lurker got some type of armor buff (along with HP nerf obviously) so it would counter Marines/bio (as in BW). That would make tank play (both with bio and as mech) better.

Also as long as Ravens and BCs are so strong, I don't know if late game mech will be interesting anyway.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13988 Posts
December 14 2016 22:08 GMT
#28
im guessing dark beats soo in finals
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Spirit_76
Profile Joined October 2015
8 Posts
December 14 2016 22:19 GMT
#29
where can i watch the games?
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12904 Posts
December 14 2016 22:43 GMT
#30
On December 15 2016 05:40 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2016 05:34 FrkFrJss wrote:
On December 15 2016 05:11 zakadar wrote:
Way better than Blizzcon.

ByuL/soO/Maru vs Bogus/ByuN/Dark finals plz.

Excluding the ZvZ possibility all of those sound great. Protoss just needs to leave :p

a final with stats vs inno,dark or byun could be great


Stats vs Trust....the matchup that no one would predict or want, but which would still probably be pretty good.

I say that if Byun makes it past Dark, then the best finals would probably be against Maru or Stats. I think he would do very well against soO or Byul.

I think Dark vs Maru would be a good final. I think Innovation vs Maru/Zerg would be good. I don't really want a ZvZ matchup, but TvT isn't bad, and I saw some good PvP.

I think ByuN vs Stats would be horribly one-sided tbh

? ByuN has a shot at beating him, why would it be one sided?
Did the patch affect his TvP too?
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zakadar
Profile Joined December 2015
Germany409 Posts
December 15 2016 02:41 GMT
#31
Show nested quote +

I think ByuN vs Stats would be horribly one-sided tbh

? ByuN has a shot at beating him, why would it be one sided?
Did the patch affect his TvP too?


I think stats is on fire lately and should be able to go head to head with byun something I would not expect out of soo or byul
TY my boy gogo
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
December 15 2016 02:53 GMT
#32
On December 15 2016 11:41 zakadar wrote:
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Show nested quote +

I think ByuN vs Stats would be horribly one-sided tbh

? ByuN has a shot at beating him, why would it be one sided?
Did the patch affect his TvP too?


I think stats is on fire lately and should be able to go head to head with byun something I would not expect out of soo or byul


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washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-15 05:07:08
December 15 2016 05:06 GMT
#33
Innovation is so damn good. He is realy the only Terran around who does not win off tricky plays, cute control, and multi pronged harass. Innovation just kicks down the door and his opponents cant stop him from doing so because he is just hands down better at macro than anyone period and on top of it has some of the best control in the world. I predict despite early setbacks he takes the whole thing.
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zakadar
Profile Joined December 2015
Germany409 Posts
December 15 2016 05:54 GMT
#34
TY also plays very macro oriented and tries always to get in the lategame and what is innos cyclone plays prepatch if not tricky plays
TY my boy gogo
washikie
Profile Joined February 2011
United States752 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-15 08:04:21
December 15 2016 06:36 GMT
#35
On December 15 2016 14:54 zakadar wrote:
TY also plays very macro oriented and tries always to get in the lategame and what is innos cyclone plays prepatch if not tricky plays


you raise a good point, TY Is also realy realy good but he tends to win off the back of his understanding of the late game and his ghost/lib control. His games don't have the same kind of I'm just better than you and make more stuff vibe that innovation's do when hes playing well.
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Aiingel
Profile Joined May 2016
243 Posts
December 15 2016 20:31 GMT
#36
On December 15 2016 03:33 Gwavajuice wrote:
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On December 15 2016 02:35 Hider wrote:
Alot of pretty good and highlevel games.

Still can't get over how Solar just "chokes" to big underdogs after looking like a world class player.


iAsonu really showed a great performance today, so ofc on the paper he was inferior to the 3 big names in his group, but he did a good job, even against ByuN.

So maybe it was more IAsonu playing great than Solar "choking"?


According to SC2unmasked, iAsonu is ranked #12 GM on the KR ladder. We really might be seeing the rise of a new Zerg champion!
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