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Yorbon
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands4272 Posts
November 10 2016 15:09 GMT
#141
Perfectly understandable that they would kick him. Misrepresentation of an organisation is a good reason, and whether he meant his statement or not is irrelevant.

That said, anyone seriously outraged by this makes me facepalm. These things are said because they know people will get triggered. Don't feed the troll.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-10 15:26:38
November 10 2016 15:25 GMT
#142
On November 10 2016 21:53 Jae Zedong wrote:
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On November 10 2016 05:49 pr1de wrote:
i cant say he is wrong if its his opinion, and i think alot of people share that same one.


So people can openly agree with "i hate muslims" on TL now and not get banned or even warned?


Their house their rules.
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-10 15:26:53
November 10 2016 15:26 GMT
#143
The usual quote and edit swap

Seriously change them ffs.
Stormhoof
Profile Joined January 2015
Serbia182 Posts
November 10 2016 15:40 GMT
#144
I cant believe anyone on this planet believes in muslim extremism and actually hates them... They cannot stand firm without shooting themselves in foot and people believe they are capable for terrorism, 9/11, masacres in Europe, etc. But hating anyone is really stupid.
fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
November 10 2016 15:43 GMT
#145
On November 10 2016 21:53 Jae Zedong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2016 05:49 pr1de wrote:
i cant say he is wrong if its his opinion, and i think alot of people share that same one.


So people can openly agree with "i hate muslims" on TL now and not get banned or even warned?

He didn't agree, he just said, he has to accept his opinion. I think he's fundamentally wrong but he didn't say "hey, I hate muslims, too". More like: "if that's his opinion... so what".
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
SharkStarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
Austria2270 Posts
November 10 2016 15:44 GMT
#146
Finally this piece of shit gets what he deserves. Don't need people like him in the scene, has been toxic since day 1.

User was temp banned for this post.
Cogito, ergo Toss
MushinSSC
Profile Joined April 2016
31 Posts
November 10 2016 15:49 GMT
#147
what did he say about guys ?
aQuaSC
Profile Joined August 2011
717 Posts
November 10 2016 15:54 GMT
#148
On November 11 2016 00:49 MushinSSC wrote:
what did he say about guys ?

You mean what did he do? Look at the OP in the thread
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swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
November 10 2016 17:32 GMT
#149
So once again the question: do we maintain the freedom of opinion of people no matter how extreme and wrong it may be to the full extent? or do we give consequences to those most negative/extreme ones with a firm fist?

In my humble opinion that does not know the context, I'd say a firm line in racial issues is a good thing in light Trump and his fellow closet racists. Freedom of opinion was to allow informed discussions without consequences, not just say racist things for fun.
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
November 10 2016 17:35 GMT
#150
On November 11 2016 00:09 Yorbon wrote:
Perfectly understandable that they would kick him. Misrepresentation of an organisation is a good reason, and whether he meant his statement or not is irrelevant.

That said, anyone seriously outraged by this makes me facepalm. These things are said because they know people will get triggered. Don't feed the troll.

But when those trolls are taking the white house, we have to reconsider our strategy. Those trolls are no longer just teenagers trying to gain attention.
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
November 10 2016 17:41 GMT
#151
On November 10 2016 20:27 Thax wrote:
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On November 10 2016 20:18 aQuaSC wrote:
So... would one get banned from community if he said that he hates islam because of how it lets women become slaves and promotes outrageous gender inequality for instance? If you don't know any muslims and say that you hate them you just hate what makes them a muslim, and there is nothing racist in despising something like this no matter how much you twist it. There is nothing bad in hating something that denies human rights.

But back to the topic: it's hard to believe that it's Guru first stupid bait stunt like that. He knows what world he lives in and TeS had every right to throw him out. They paid him for playing not for stirring shit


The Catholic Church, which Guru as a Pole should be intimately familiar with, promotes gender inequality and denies human rights. And they're one of the tamer big Christian denominations. But for some reason edgy internet racists never say "I hate Christians" when pulling dumb stunts like this. The reason is simple: most Christians, or at least the Western image of most Christians, are not brown people.


However, I might add that looking at the context, Christians were very progressive with what they said about women giving more freedom than before and the core mentality behind is that to God, slave or king, man or woman, he or she is equal to others in God's eyes.
I dunno much about the Quaran, but I am sure it is similar in its message too.
207aicila
Profile Joined January 2015
1237 Posts
November 10 2016 17:55 GMT
#152
On November 10 2016 20:27 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2016 20:18 aQuaSC wrote:
So... would one get banned from community if he said that he hates islam because of how it lets women become slaves and promotes outrageous gender inequality for instance? If you don't know any muslims and say that you hate them you just hate what makes them a muslim, and there is nothing racist in despising something like this no matter how much you twist it. There is nothing bad in hating something that denies human rights.

But back to the topic: it's hard to believe that it's Guru first stupid bait stunt like that. He knows what world he lives in and TeS had every right to throw him out. They paid him for playing not for stirring shit


The Catholic Church, which Guru as a Pole should be intimately familiar with, promotes gender inequality and denies human rights. And they're one of the tamer big Christian denominations. But for some reason edgy internet racists never say "I hate Christians" when pulling dumb stunts like this. The reason is simple: most Christians, or at least the Western image of most Christians, are not brown people.


Actually the reason edgy internet racists never say "I hate Christians" anymore is because over the last few years any kind of criticism of religion in general (not just Islam) or especially Christianity, even if it is merited, even if it is polite, even if it is on-topic, is dismissed with a quick "tips fedora m'lady" and a link to /r/iamverysmart. And don't ever mention that you're an atheist or you'll be called edgy and get asked how many katanas you own. Lol. Thank Reddit for that, and the awful awful teens that inhabit it.
mfw people who never followed BW speak about sAviOr as if they know anything... -___-''''
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hunterzubrus
Profile Joined November 2015
United States20 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-10 18:26:04
November 10 2016 18:21 GMT
#153
On November 11 2016 00:40 ZeRoX_TV wrote:
I cant believe anyone on this planet believes in muslim extremism and actually hates them... They cannot stand firm without shooting themselves in foot and people believe they are capable for terrorism, 9/11, masacres in Europe, etc. But hating anyone is really stupid.


Ok, you're from Serbia? A country that massacred 10,000 Muslim Bosniac men/boys less than 50 years for the only fact that they were muslim... And you sir have the audacity to to blame every muslim for the actions of the extremists? So, then by you're logic all serbs committed murders and committed genocide?
Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
November 10 2016 18:48 GMT
#154
On November 10 2016 20:05 munch wrote:
this is the worst thread i've seen in a while


so true :'(

cant believe people are actually defending him or even "attacking" his team and TLO for their actions. this is just very, very sad
"You have the image of being a robotic, stoic player among foreign fans. What do you think about that?" - "I don’t think it’s incorrect." || letodSWAG
zyce
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States649 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-10 19:37:55
November 10 2016 19:35 GMT
#155
I'm glad sponsors are distancing themselves from this kind of speech. I'm ashamed of the people in this forum defending Guru. He can still say he hates Muslims whenever he wants, he just can't do it while sponsored by TeS and Samsung. Get over it.

Your sponsor shouldn't have to apologize for you. Pengwin had a good post about Guru's history.
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-10 20:32:31
November 10 2016 20:31 GMT
#156
On November 11 2016 03:48 Executer08 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2016 20:05 munch wrote:
this is the worst thread i've seen in a while


so true :'(

cant believe people are actually defending him or even "attacking" his team and TLO for their actions. this is just very, very sad


You do realize we just elected Donald Trump in America right?

I'm pretty sure if the TL mods were in charge of what everyone in America said, he would have been perma banned along time ago.

Hopefully the rest of society continue to strongly reject stuff like this.
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
November 10 2016 20:37 GMT
#157
On November 10 2016 20:19 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2016 20:09 fishjie wrote:
On November 10 2016 20:05 Legobiten wrote:
On November 10 2016 19:40 fishjie wrote:
This is the kind of liberal witch hunt policing that has gone on so long that resulted in a trump victory. people are tired of this politically correct crap. that was the comment? seriously who cares. i mean at this point, sc2 has such little viewership that "calling the sponsors" isn't really even a viable threat anymore.


So just because Trump won means he's right and hate is the way to go? I really do hope the rest of us continues to fight racism and all it's faces.
"Who cares?" The ones that are the target of the hate and everyone else who is fed up with it.


let's be clear. i hate trump and did not vote for him. point still stands. this politically correct crap is suffocating and actually making the situation worse. forget safe places. let people say what's on their mind. nazi authoritarianism where people lose their jobs over stuff they post online is going to result in a strong reaction in the opposite direction to restore the balance. that's one of the reasons trump won. he could say whatever he wanted and get away with it. people are tired of having to walk on eggshells.


Why do you hate Trump? You seem to have a lot in common.

Actions, such as speech, have consequences. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. If you're going to be a racist/sexist/homophobic/nazi dilhole in public, the consequence is that people will take offense. And yes they might invoke *their* freedom of speech and call you out on it, or even fire you over it. Deal with it, you crybaby.


Because Trump is an authoritarian duh.

And authoritarians try to limit speech. The problem today is that these kids go on witch hunts, try to get people fired from their jobs because they got offended. It was particularly bad when SC2 was popular, everyone was "CALL THE SPONSORS" when idra said someone should get cancer. Lol, i hate idra, but i thought it was hilarious.

People are fed up with this stupidity and it will backfire. Its a mob mentality and people being sick of this swung to Trump.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-10 21:11:03
November 10 2016 20:59 GMT
#158
On November 11 2016 05:37 fishjie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2016 20:19 Thax wrote:
On November 10 2016 20:09 fishjie wrote:
On November 10 2016 20:05 Legobiten wrote:
On November 10 2016 19:40 fishjie wrote:
This is the kind of liberal witch hunt policing that has gone on so long that resulted in a trump victory. people are tired of this politically correct crap. that was the comment? seriously who cares. i mean at this point, sc2 has such little viewership that "calling the sponsors" isn't really even a viable threat anymore.


So just because Trump won means he's right and hate is the way to go? I really do hope the rest of us continues to fight racism and all it's faces.
"Who cares?" The ones that are the target of the hate and everyone else who is fed up with it.


let's be clear. i hate trump and did not vote for him. point still stands. this politically correct crap is suffocating and actually making the situation worse. forget safe places. let people say what's on their mind. nazi authoritarianism where people lose their jobs over stuff they post online is going to result in a strong reaction in the opposite direction to restore the balance. that's one of the reasons trump won. he could say whatever he wanted and get away with it. people are tired of having to walk on eggshells.


Why do you hate Trump? You seem to have a lot in common.

Actions, such as speech, have consequences. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. If you're going to be a racist/sexist/homophobic/nazi dilhole in public, the consequence is that people will take offense. And yes they might invoke *their* freedom of speech and call you out on it, or even fire you over it. Deal with it, you crybaby.


Because Trump is an authoritarian duh.

And authoritarians try to limit speech. The problem today is that these kids go on witch hunts, try to get people fired from their jobs because they got offended. It was particularly bad when SC2 was popular, everyone was "CALL THE SPONSORS" when idra said someone should get cancer. Lol, i hate idra, but i thought it was hilarious.

People are fed up with this stupidity and it will backfire. Its a mob mentality and people being sick of this swung to Trump.


I'm failing to see the difference...

Are you offended that other people got offended and want to limit their rights? Are you on a witch hunt against them?

Free speech doesn't just mean speech that doesn't offend you.
Majick
Profile Joined August 2016
416 Posts
November 10 2016 21:39 GMT
#159
What a thread.
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
November 10 2016 21:58 GMT
#160
On November 11 2016 05:59 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2016 05:37 fishjie wrote:
On November 10 2016 20:19 Thax wrote:
On November 10 2016 20:09 fishjie wrote:
On November 10 2016 20:05 Legobiten wrote:
On November 10 2016 19:40 fishjie wrote:
This is the kind of liberal witch hunt policing that has gone on so long that resulted in a trump victory. people are tired of this politically correct crap. that was the comment? seriously who cares. i mean at this point, sc2 has such little viewership that "calling the sponsors" isn't really even a viable threat anymore.


So just because Trump won means he's right and hate is the way to go? I really do hope the rest of us continues to fight racism and all it's faces.
"Who cares?" The ones that are the target of the hate and everyone else who is fed up with it.


let's be clear. i hate trump and did not vote for him. point still stands. this politically correct crap is suffocating and actually making the situation worse. forget safe places. let people say what's on their mind. nazi authoritarianism where people lose their jobs over stuff they post online is going to result in a strong reaction in the opposite direction to restore the balance. that's one of the reasons trump won. he could say whatever he wanted and get away with it. people are tired of having to walk on eggshells.


Why do you hate Trump? You seem to have a lot in common.

Actions, such as speech, have consequences. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences. If you're going to be a racist/sexist/homophobic/nazi dilhole in public, the consequence is that people will take offense. And yes they might invoke *their* freedom of speech and call you out on it, or even fire you over it. Deal with it, you crybaby.


Because Trump is an authoritarian duh.

And authoritarians try to limit speech. The problem today is that these kids go on witch hunts, try to get people fired from their jobs because they got offended. It was particularly bad when SC2 was popular, everyone was "CALL THE SPONSORS" when idra said someone should get cancer. Lol, i hate idra, but i thought it was hilarious.

People are fed up with this stupidity and it will backfire. Its a mob mentality and people being sick of this swung to Trump.


I'm failing to see the difference...

Are you offended that other people got offended and want to limit their rights? Are you on a witch hunt against them?

Free speech doesn't just mean speech that doesn't offend you.


the difference is that ppl should be able to say what they want, without worry of a liberal witch hunt hysteria. the kids behind it are just a mob mentality. i'm not offended that people get offended. i'm laughing at them. who cares? i love southpark because they make fun of everybody. i get offended by some of their stuff, but i love them for it. and i'm glad there is no liberal witch hunt hysteria to stop south park (mainly cause it'd get shut down, south park is too awesome). this is how it should be. no safe places. no trigger warnings. macro aggressions everywhere. just say whats on your mind and back up your stuff with solid reasoning.
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