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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12912 Posts
July 20 2016 12:20 GMT
#21
TY did pretty bad at the first Dreamhack of LotV and decently bad online against foreigners.
Plus I don't see Nerchio lose against Cure, maybe Maru but he'll have troubles qualifying if he doesn't perform this season.
WriterMaru
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55572 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 13:18:53
July 20 2016 13:04 GMT
#22
On July 20 2016 21:20 Poopi wrote:
TY did pretty bad at the first Dreamhack of LotV and decently bad online against foreigners.
Plus I don't see Nerchio lose against Cure, maybe Maru but he'll have troubles qualifying if he doesn't perform this season.

Online & the first DH of LotV don't really say much at this point, do they? I mean when the first DH in LotV happened Zerg was the dominant race in Korea and adepts were in their pre-patch state. And by online results Neeb and ByuN are the best players in the world.

Not so sure about Cure, I think he can beat any Zerg on a good day and lose to any Zerg on a bad day. By which I mean literally any pro Zerg.

That said, anyone expecting foreigners to get shut out at Blizzcon is likely in for a huge disappointment.
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JensWalker
Profile Joined January 2016
Canada20 Posts
July 20 2016 15:03 GMT
#23
What's going on, this interview actually has a positive Vibe~~ Good stuff
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Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 15:53:16
July 20 2016 15:05 GMT
#24
A group where Dark and Zest are together, and Stats and TY are together.... I think it's safe to say aligulacs calculations for that group are wrong.......
But I can see foreigners taking a spot or two for sure. It'll be interesting, and I do think foreigners are doing great right now. The "foreign" Koreans are even having a real hard time getting results.

Also great replies by Nerchio. Glad to see him do well, he's deserved it for a while.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12912 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 15:36:49
July 20 2016 15:07 GMT
#25
Yeah, of course foreigners are still outsiders, by a decent margin, but with bo3 there is a decent chance that they'll do well. (3 qualifying would be "well" for me)
ByuN is very good and he hasn't disappointed vs foreigners afaik so if he qualifies for Blizzcon, I'll bet on him having the best results vs foreigners.
Neeb seems like Nerchio, you always expect him to crush a tourney but then he surprinsingly doesn't, he might have some luck in the next DH. He can do well against 5-8 seeds from Korea I guess.
Edit: as for TY what I meant is that some koreans don't export well/play well outside of Korea, and I'm pretty sure TY is one of these koreans, so he could very well crush the opposition or be upset.
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SlammerIV
Profile Joined December 2013
United States526 Posts
July 20 2016 15:18 GMT
#26
Lets not forget that both polt and Hydra have preformed decently at blizzcon in the past, of course their form may be way off from last year but it is interesting to note that the foreign scene has basically surpassed the level of these formerly dangerous blizzcon attendees.

(I wouldn't say polt and hydra are even in that large of a slump, hydra can't seem to beat neeb right now but is still dangerous and polt vs showtime was razor close).

Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 20 2016 16:21 GMT
#27
On July 20 2016 21:15 [PkF] Wire wrote:
aligulac overestimates foreign skill a lot though. In your examples, Nerchio over Cure and Neeb over TY seem pretty ambitious to me.

It was hard enough to compare cross region before with aligulac and it is even less accurate now with the region lock.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16063 Posts
July 20 2016 18:24 GMT
#28
On July 20 2016 21:20 Poopi wrote:
Plus I don't see Nerchio lose against Cure

lol.
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-20 23:12:15
July 20 2016 23:04 GMT
#29
Nerchio is showing a strong zerg play that is flexible and reliable. The buff to spore and queen only made it that much easier for him. Plus I think him and Dark figured out ZvT a long time ago, but not all pro zergs have caught up. Given time, I think ZvT didn't need the spore/queen change because I think more zergs would have started figuring out terran timings.

Regardless of the change though, ZvT in LotV was definitely a paradigm shift that few zergs adapted too.

I can't wait to see Nerchio run through a few Koreans Terrans!

edit:
On July 20 2016 17:37 Creager wrote:
Link to original source is provided and I included the author, although I can see the problem with this. Sorry, didn't want to upset people
Hey, I'm not upset. No need to apologize. I'm sure you haven't broken any TL rules. Its just out of courtesy to great content and creators.

Not to derail the thread......

Go Nerchio kick some terran butt!! Watch out for any sneaky Protoss with their adept shenanigans along the way! And lastly, if you have to eliminate another zerg, I truly hope we see some next level ling/bling chase.

second edit: Oh and I hope you face only Koreans in the Global Playoffs.
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-21 01:57:04
July 21 2016 01:52 GMT
#30
Frankly, I wouldn't read too much into what happens in Blizzcon:

(a) It's a weekend tournament, which foreigners are more accustomed to playing than KeSPA Koreans (more so after the region lock, shutting Koreans out from DH, IEM, etc.)

(b) There's arguably a different skillset for weekend tournaments and preparation-based tournaments.
- Intuitive players like Taeja, sOs and Maru excel well in the former (Maru - as evidenced by his Proleague all-kill form), whilst more methodical players like Inno, Dark and Stats excel in the latter, and then there's those who can excel in both like Zest and Life.

(c) Also, arguably, the real edge of Koreans come from the preparation format (that's where the intensive team-house training and support system kicks in)

That said, I predict the Koreans kicking the ass of most of the foreigners due to their superior mechanical skills, save for perhaps Nerchio, Neeb, Polt and Hydra putting on some credible resistance.

But I think if foreigners get pass the first hurdle of Koreans, they stand a good chance to proceed further (the deeper they go, the less time Koreans have to prepare, recover and adapt).
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
July 21 2016 02:40 GMT
#31
I think 2 foreigners make it to playoffs, maybe 3 depending on groups at Blizzcon.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
July 22 2016 21:58 GMT
#32
I'm going to stay three just because I believe....
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Jett.Jack.Alvir
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada2250 Posts
July 22 2016 22:06 GMT
#33
Well I think Snute and Nerchio are definite contenders. If neeb makes it to Blizzcon, I can see him going deep.

Not sure if there are any other foreign contenders at the moment, so I'm going to agree with 3.
Edpayasugo
Profile Joined April 2013
United Kingdom2217 Posts
July 25 2016 06:52 GMT
#34
Nice interview, thanks
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