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On March 19 2016 10:37 Hider wrote:
Innovation has the best all time Aligulac rating out of any terran player. Regardless of definition, it's absolutely ridicoulous to claim he is a patch terran. At his peak someone like Taeja was just even compared to him. Taeja's tournament results are however inflated because he met so many weaker players. Good thing that Aligulac takes skill into account so we can get rid of bias.
Aligulac is one of the worst ways to measure a players skill.
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On March 19 2016 10:50 Lil_nooblet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 10:37 Hider wrote:
Innovation has the best all time Aligulac rating out of any terran player. Regardless of definition, it's absolutely ridicoulous to claim he is a patch terran. At his peak someone like Taeja was just even compared to him. Taeja's tournament results are however inflated because he met so many weaker players. Good thing that Aligulac takes skill into account so we can get rid of bias. Aligulac is one of the worst ways to measure a players skill.
Okay, stats and raw numbers over a large sample size is a bad method? You want to use your feelings to judge skills? Emotions?
Or do you think you accuarately can judge how good a player was over hundreds of hundreds of games several years ago based on qualitative analysis?
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On March 19 2016 10:53 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 10:50 Lil_nooblet wrote:On March 19 2016 10:37 Hider wrote:
Innovation has the best all time Aligulac rating out of any terran player. Regardless of definition, it's absolutely ridicoulous to claim he is a patch terran. At his peak someone like Taeja was just even compared to him. Taeja's tournament results are however inflated because he met so many weaker players. Good thing that Aligulac takes skill into account so we can get rid of bias. Aligulac is one of the worst ways to measure a players skill. Okay, stats and raw numbers over a large sample size is a bad method? You want to use your feelings to judge skills? Emotions? Or do you think you accuarately can judge how good a player was over hundreds of hundreds of games several years ago based on qualitative analysis?
Innovation is 12-20 in games and 4-9 in series vs TaeJa, with 2 of Inno's wins coming on online settings. That record is pretty darn one-sided.
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Scarlett should easily be# 1
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On March 19 2016 11:17 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 10:53 Hider wrote:On March 19 2016 10:50 Lil_nooblet wrote:On March 19 2016 10:37 Hider wrote:
Innovation has the best all time Aligulac rating out of any terran player. Regardless of definition, it's absolutely ridicoulous to claim he is a patch terran. At his peak someone like Taeja was just even compared to him. Taeja's tournament results are however inflated because he met so many weaker players. Good thing that Aligulac takes skill into account so we can get rid of bias. Aligulac is one of the worst ways to measure a players skill. Okay, stats and raw numbers over a large sample size is a bad method? You want to use your feelings to judge skills? Emotions? Or do you think you accuarately can judge how good a player was over hundreds of hundreds of games several years ago based on qualitative analysis? Innovation is 12-20 in games and 4-9 in series vs TaeJa, with 2 of Inno's wins coming on online settings. That record is pretty darn one-sided.
Good thing reasonable people dont measure skill in a head to head record. With that logic I am sure we could get some pretty absurd conclusions.
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tried to watch some of those games and im just stuck wondering do people actually find that shit entertaining?
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On March 19 2016 13:12 arb wrote:
tried to watch some of those games and im just stuck wondering do people actually find that shit entertaining?
Zerg players and TL mods did, from what transpired in the LR threads.
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Did you know ViBE won the WCS 2012 USA championship, and is thus the last American player to ever win a major tournament? Did you know his highest placing in any other major tournament was Ro32?
Actually he made it to the finals of WCS NA 2012 before getting wrecked by Scarlett.
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On March 19 2016 13:12 arb wrote:
tried to watch some of those games and im just stuck wondering do people actually find that shit entertaining?
HerO vs Leenock and HerO vs Annyeong are amongst my favorite games.
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On March 18 2016 12:12 Blardy wrote:
With only reading the title, I knew with 100% certainty that Sniper would be #1. Appears out of nowhere to win a GSL and to never be seen again.
To be fair he had carried MVP in the latter half of 2012 in team leagues mostly without BR infestor.
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Here's a question. Can we consider Freaky a patchzerg? In a way he was a proto-patchzerg. He was wrecking face with infestors before it was cool (for anyone but himself and Destiny). But his games were sweet. Before we started seeing something like that in every game. (But with more broodlords).
Actually I guess that may have been before the queen buff, so nevermind.
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On March 19 2016 13:12 arb wrote:
tried to watch some of those games and im just stuck wondering do people actually find that shit entertaining?
PvZ was mostly shit. TvZ could still be really good at times.
Honestly, I didn't think the era was nearly as bad as people made it out to be. Blink era might be worse, with Maru and Polt being a major reason of making me think otherwise.
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On March 19 2016 13:12 arb wrote:
tried to watch some of those games and im just stuck wondering do people actually find that shit entertaining?
you realize the purpose of this thread was to showcase the worst games including BL/Infestor?
There were some very sick games, Ryung vs DRG on Whirlwind for example and many others.
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On March 22 2016 08:57 TheDougler wrote:
Here's a question. Can we consider Freaky a patchzerg? In a way he was a proto-patchzerg. He was wrecking face with infestors before it was cool (for anyone but himself and Destiny). But his games were sweet. Before we started seeing something like that in every game. (But with more broodlords).
Actually I guess that may have been before the queen buff, so nevermind.
How can he be a patchzerg? Freaky was an artist.
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You put Leenock on this list and made an exemption for Stephano; whereas, you can make an argument that Leenock is actually one of the most versatile zerg players. W-t-h.
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It wasn't that long ago, max 1 year ago, when either a mod or a star poster called me out for naming Sniper a patchzerg and nothing more.
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On March 22 2016 11:27 StarStruck wrote:
You put Leenock on this list and made an exemption for Stephano; whereas, you can make an argument that Leenock is actually one of the most versatile zerg players. W-t-h.
Leenock was amazing, but what qualified him here is that he was ridiculously efficient with BL/inf (see his infamous game vs HerO on Antiga or the one vs Taeja on Cloud Kingdom where he beats a Terran up in bases and 30 supply up on ghost/viking with queen/fungal/BL)
So the point is that Leenock was actually just so good at abusing things he didn't have to abuse that he was an abuser.
The patchest of Zergs if you ask me.
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On March 22 2016 10:07 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2016 13:12 arb wrote:
tried to watch some of those games and im just stuck wondering do people actually find that shit entertaining? PvZ was mostly shit. TvZ could still be really good at times. Honestly, I didn't think the era was nearly as bad as people made it out to be. Blink era might be worse, with Maru and Polt being a major reason of making me think otherwise.
balance-wise the blink era was far worse but in terms of how entertaining the meta was the BL/infestor era was the worst era in sc2 history without any competition.
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haha, the tension of the coin flip between the zerg player scoring the money neural or if the protoss will get the perfect flush of an archon toilet: PvZ during this era (like in that hero vs leenock game). It sucked in the sense that the game boiled down to that one moment at the end, but at the time, as a viewer, it was a real treat when the protoss pulled it off and beat the zerg down (I can recall at least one or two times it happened on daybreak)
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