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PizzaGG Grudgematch First Look

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January 15th, 2016 19:48 GMT
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Grudgematches are an in integral part of StarCraft since its inception. Primarily a game played as one versus one it naturally pits each competitor against the world, often on their own. A harsh competitive world enables conflict to spark and passions to flare, where rivals are naturally occurring and those championing their own causes must take to the stage to prove their worth. Tomorrow we will celebrate this fact with a series of grudgematch showmatches as each pairing will best their opponent in the most humiliating fashion possible. Trashtalk is not required, but strongly encouraged.

Let's take a look at what is in store.

Snute vs Firecake

Swarmhost Supremacy



A truly amusing match. While they don’t have any significant competitive matches against each other except at HSC XII where Firecake reverse swept Snute 3-2, their personalities represent the extremes that a competitor's attitude can take. Snute is a calm, mild mannered Zerg on the perennially nice Liquid team while Firecake has become the embodiment of negative French stereotypes, seemingly on purpose. Once known for egregiously long Swarm Host games including the longest WCS game to date against MaNa, he has been known to openly insult David Kim (once during an official match) and play strategies meant more to prove a point than to win. Needless to say when these two meet on the ladder—a somewhat regular occurrence given practice schedules—there is not only no love lost but a fierce need to prove one world view to another.

It's only a shame we couldn't do it in an era when Swarm Hosts are the soupe du jour.

Nerchio vs Mana

Pole Position



The two best Polish players since the beginning of SC2's history are two of its best foreigners as well. They have had a long rivalry where Nerchio has gotten the upper hand over MaNa for the most part and, in a strange way, their careers have paralleled one another. Both were fairly successful in 2011, both hit their peaks during 2012, and both fell down after HotS came out. The biggest difference is MaNa made a comeback at the very end of HotS with his WCS runner-up run in 2015.

This makes this grudgematch all the more interesting since in every other way they contrast. Nerchio has spent most of his career as a student-professional. He’d always split his time between study and play, while MaNa had gone full time into the pro world and had stints in Korea to practice. Both of them can’t seem to stand each other in anything beyond Nation Wars. While Nerchio has the upper hand in the head to head, there is always a bit of something extra when these two play each other.

Huk vs Scarlett

The King and Queen of Canada



The two best Canadian SC2 players all time. Unfortunately by both time and circumstance, they never got to play each other in any meaningful match. By the time Scarlett’s star had risen, HuK’s had fallen. And while they both did moderately well in WCS NA from 2013-2014, they never collided for ultimate region supremacy. Instead they kept playing in the Red Bull qualifiers and live tournaments where HuK won the qualifiers, while Scarlett won on LAN. This is always a fun pairing, especially now that both seem to have revitalized a little in LotV.

TLO vs Lilbow

Money Where Your Mouth Is



In one of the most infamous moments of 2015, Lilbow bombed out of Blizzcon by losing to Life 0-3 in record time. The loss itself wasn’t what made it notable, but what Lilbow came out to say afterward: that Blizzcon didn’t matter, he had spent his time practicing for LotV instead. For the future.

TLO called him out saying that this the completely wrong attitude. His stated issue wasn’t the honor or pride of the foreigners, but the simple undeniable fact that those at the top have no guarantee of staying there. There is no guarantee that you will stay at the top of the scene forever, so if you want to win, if you want to be the best, you have to try your hardest at the biggest event of the year, you have to focus on the now instead of some future that may never come to pass.

Lilbow then came out with this statement on facebook:

Ok so first of all I'm writing this just cause I want my real fans to know what happened and what is happening for me exactly, I don't care about people being mean.

The games were bad mostly because of life cause he wanted to cheese all the time, I was not completely underprepared for this but doing very small mistakes is enough to get destroyed by cheese and that's basically what happened. I am practicing to be the best as I said, but I don't wanna be the best of a game that nobody is playing anymore, it doesn't make any sense to me.

So I decided to spend all my time on LotV and I reached top 5 on global ladder so far which means I've been practicing seriously during these months, I'm not lazy and I still want to be the best; I know what I want and if I have to look bad a tournament for it, then it's too bad. However, even if I practiced super hard I would have beat Life MAYBE, but I couldn't beat Innovation afterwards. That's 99% impossible for me, impossible cause he is good obviously but especially cause practicing HotS is NOT POSSIBLE in Europe at this moment because nobody is playing it obviously, they are all playing LotV, just like me, the only difference is that they didn't qualify for this tournament that is NOT winnable for an European that can't even practice whatsoever. Judging me badly on a situation that you probably can't understand isn't something nice from you.


He blames Life for cheesing him, but says if he had prepared he would have beaten Life maybe. He then says it’s impossible to beat Innovation in the next round as it was impossible to get practice on HotS in Europe.

TLO called him out twice. Once saying he could have gone to Korea and the other saying that people offered him practice.





Lilbow called him a caster.



We then move to Legacy of the Void where Lilbow plays GPL, the tournament he said he was practicing for and gets knocked out by IAsonu, who was practicing for Lilbow. Afterwards Lilbow went to DH where he got into an elimination match with TLO and lost.

While this is 'just' a showmatch, you can’t help but imagine that there will be just that little bit of extra heat coming from this kitchen.

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Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
January 15 2016 19:56 GMT
#2
I've got:

Snute, Scarlett, Nerchio, TLO
Wat
Stolker
Profile Joined March 2013
United States96 Posts
January 15 2016 19:57 GMT
#3
Dario is a creative player. I think he will best Lil with some cool strats
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
January 15 2016 20:11 GMT
#4
On January 16 2016 04:57 Stolker wrote:
Dario is a creative player. I think he will best Lil with some cool strats


Not even needed. Lilbow will probably think TLO a pushover, not practice, then whine about not practicing enough.

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This is the type of Drama SC2 needs--lets get this Hype Train STARTED!
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
January 15 2016 20:21 GMT
#5
well this isn't Kiante vs Puppeydog level of grudges but will be entertaining nevertheless :D
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
christophequirion
Profile Joined October 2009
France82 Posts
January 15 2016 20:21 GMT
#6
nothing important, but maybe replace "the soup de jour", "soupe du jour"
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 15 2016 20:22 GMT
#7
nerchio could take everyone in this event by himself
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Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
January 15 2016 20:34 GMT
#8
On January 16 2016 05:22 Shellshock wrote:
nerchio could take everyone in this event by himself

At once as well, both in game and in BM competition
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
redechelon
Profile Joined June 2011
27 Posts
January 15 2016 20:36 GMT
#9
Snute, Scarlett, MaNa, TLO.

I would be happy with anything as long as TLO takes down Lil' bow-wow.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 15 2016 20:38 GMT
#10
On January 16 2016 05:34 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 05:22 Shellshock wrote:
nerchio could take everyone in this event by himself

At once as well, both in game and in BM competition


need at least a 1v8 archon match
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Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
January 15 2016 20:49 GMT
#11
We can do that for our next special event
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
January 15 2016 20:50 GMT
#12
On January 16 2016 05:34 Nerchio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 05:22 Shellshock wrote:
nerchio could take everyone in this event by himself

At once as well, both in game and in BM competition

What's your position on Firecake?
Nerchio
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland2633 Posts
January 15 2016 20:50 GMT
#13
On January 16 2016 05:50 stardog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2016 05:34 Nerchio wrote:
On January 16 2016 05:22 Shellshock wrote:
nerchio could take everyone in this event by himself

At once as well, both in game and in BM competition

What's your position on Firecake?

He would be the toughest opponent
Progamer"I am the best" - Nerchio , 2017.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
January 15 2016 21:04 GMT
#14
Predicting an all-Zerg sweep -- Snute, Scarlett, Nerchio, and TLO.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19300 Posts
January 15 2016 21:08 GMT
#15
These are all bo69 right?
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12906 Posts
January 15 2016 21:21 GMT
#16
Pretty sure Lilbow will win
WriterMaru
Clonester
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany2808 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-15 21:22:20
January 15 2016 21:22 GMT
#17
Terran was too expensive?
Bomber, Attacker, DD, SOMEBODY, NiKo, Nex, Spidii
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
January 15 2016 21:31 GMT
#18
On January 16 2016 06:22 Clonester wrote:
Terran was too expensive?

Now we could have Lucifron vs Vortix in who's the best Duran.
Shana
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Indonesia1814 Posts
January 15 2016 21:33 GMT
#19
Basically Liquid vs rest of foreigner
Or ex-Liquid in case of huk
Believing in what lies ahead. | That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet.
UberNuB
Profile Joined December 2010
United States365 Posts
January 15 2016 21:38 GMT
#20
Firecake seems randomly good in LotV. Although, I'm hoping for a Snute win, since he seems like a cool dude.

Nerchio seems like a poor man's IdrA. Nothing original and clearly a patch-Zerg. I'm hoping for a MaNa win, but MaNa doesn't seem to know how to play PvZ, so it's possible for a patch-Zerg to beat him, I suppose.

HuK never got the memo that 4-Gate isn't still a thing, so he is more likely to lose because of his own misplaced aggression than Scarlett is to win.

Lilbow proved everybody that is wasn't a fluke for him to make a WCS finals by making a second WCS finals (and winning). Then proceeded to prove it was a fluke by playing at a mid-Diamond level ever since. Dr. Dario will show us some creative builds on his way to victory.

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