• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 12:32
CEST 18:32
KST 01:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star5Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced52026 GSL Tour plans announced14Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid22
StarCraft 2
General
Maestros of the Game 2 announced 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 522 Flip My Base The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss Mutation # 520 Moving Fees
Brood War
General
ASL21 Strategy, Pimpest Plays Discussions Data needed BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro16 Group C Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro16 Group A
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1920 users

Kaelaris claims one of the best foreigners is coming back…

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 44 Next All
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
January 05 2016 19:49 GMT
#201
On January 06 2016 04:48 Ppjack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 04:45 jalstar wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:42 Mistakes wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote:
QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.


Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"


I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.


agree !

Or Naniwa, or arguably grubby with some of the tournament runs he had
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
January 05 2016 19:49 GMT
#202
On January 06 2016 04:47 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 04:46 Mistakes wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:45 jalstar wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:42 Mistakes wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote:
QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.


Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"


I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.


Yeah +Jinro

+ Show Spoiler +
Unless Kaelaris is talking old-school BW legend. But I doubt it.

Wasnt Jinro good at BW? If not that leaves Grr and Idra (and Nazgul )


Mondragon!
StarCraft | www.psistorm.com | www.twitter.com/MistakesSC | www.twitch.tv/MistakesSC | Seattle
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
January 05 2016 19:49 GMT
#203
On January 06 2016 04:45 jalstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 04:42 Mistakes wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote:
QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.


Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"


I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.


I can't see IdrA coming back. He hated the game and he sucked at it towards the end of his career. Given stuchiu's article one would think that Kaelaris tries to hint towards that list. But maybe he is also completely unaware of it and just trying to hype someone up.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
January 05 2016 19:49 GMT
#204
On January 06 2016 04:47 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 04:46 Mistakes wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:45 jalstar wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:42 Mistakes wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote:
QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.


Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"


I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.


Yeah +Jinro

+ Show Spoiler +
Unless Kaelaris is talking old-school BW legend. But I doubt it.

Vortix and Lucifron are currently doing pretty well in Heroes so, unless they had a sudden change of mind after amazing showing at their last LAN, I wouldn't bet money on them.

VortiX stopped SC2 right after this : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_IX_-_San_Jose/European_Qualifier
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-05 19:51:13
January 05 2016 19:50 GMT
#205
On January 06 2016 04:42 Mistakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote:
QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.


Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"


Per his twitter I believe QXC has been playing zerg.


Keep in mind that who you would consider the best and who kaelaris would consider the best may be wildly different. QXC in his time had some great accomplishments.
Content of my posts reflects only my personal opinions, and not those of any employer or subsidiary
Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
January 05 2016 19:50 GMT
#206
On January 06 2016 04:49 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 04:48 Ppjack wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:45 jalstar wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:42 Mistakes wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote:
QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.


Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"


I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.


agree !

Or Naniwa, or arguably grubby with some of the tournament runs he had


Also true I guess. Also Grubby is a legend in his own right. NaNiwa didn't really stop playing though since he came back the last time, right? I am thinking more out-of-retirement and less took-a-break-from-sc2-for-a-few-months (NaNiwa)
StarCraft | www.psistorm.com | www.twitter.com/MistakesSC | www.twitch.tv/MistakesSC | Seattle
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
January 05 2016 19:50 GMT
#207
On January 06 2016 04:48 HugoBallzak wrote:
idra making a comeback right now would be a great $$$$ move for him right now. A severely handicapped wcs system catering to foreigner "pros" + his name recognition = big contract from some org, most likley EG.

Yea but Has plays this game now. I feel like idra can't anymore.
Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-05 19:53:59
January 05 2016 19:50 GMT
#208
On January 06 2016 04:49 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 04:47 Ej_ wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:46 Mistakes wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:45 jalstar wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:42 Mistakes wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote:
QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.


Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"


I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.


Yeah +Jinro

+ Show Spoiler +
Unless Kaelaris is talking old-school BW legend. But I doubt it.

Vortix and Lucifron are currently doing pretty well in Heroes so, unless they had a sudden change of mind after amazing showing at their last LAN, I wouldn't bet money on them.

VortiX stopped SC2 right after this : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_IX_-_San_Jose/European_Qualifier

ok that's a fair point haha

e: both of the Duran brothers haven't played HotS in a month on their main accounts, if that's any indicator (could be just smurfing)
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ppjack
Profile Joined March 2015
Belgium489 Posts
January 05 2016 19:51 GMT
#209
On January 06 2016 04:49 Cricketer12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 04:48 Ppjack wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:45 jalstar wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:42 Mistakes wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote:
QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.


Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"


I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.


agree !

Or Naniwa, or arguably grubby with some of the tournament runs he had


Could have been tod/grubby/naniwa/stephano, but different good reasons dismiss them.
Naniwa is still an option !
But I don't think Kaelaris would speak of him in such mysterious terms, as he was playing/streaming a lot end of Hots.
<;o)
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-05 19:53:53
January 05 2016 19:51 GMT
#210
I think it's Idra

zerg is stronger than ever right now and a lot of the balance he had issue with in HotS was practically solved with ravagers and vipers.
Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
January 05 2016 19:52 GMT
#211
On January 06 2016 04:50 Vega62a wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 04:42 Mistakes wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote:
QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.


Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"


Per his twitter I believe QXC has been playing zerg. https://twitter.com/coL_qxc/status/684161107037155328

Keep in mind that who you would consider the best and who kaelaris would consider the best may be wildly different. QXC in his time had some great accomplishments.


I don't find that very indicative of being the smurf "VillaiN" or that he's "returning to old form".
I see that as just "I'm playing games as Zerg and it's frustrating people lol"
StarCraft | www.psistorm.com | www.twitter.com/MistakesSC | www.twitch.tv/MistakesSC | Seattle
Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
January 05 2016 19:53 GMT
#212
On January 06 2016 04:52 Mistakes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 04:50 Vega62a wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:42 Mistakes wrote:
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote:
QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.


Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"


Per his twitter I believe QXC has been playing zerg. https://twitter.com/coL_qxc/status/684161107037155328

Keep in mind that who you would consider the best and who kaelaris would consider the best may be wildly different. QXC in his time had some great accomplishments.


I don't find that very indicative of being the smurf "VillaiN" or that he's "returning to old form".
I see that as just "I'm playing games as Zerg and it's frustrating people lol"


Entirely possible. it may be nothing, but it may also be something.
Content of my posts reflects only my personal opinions, and not those of any employer or subsidiary
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
January 05 2016 19:53 GMT
#213
Poll: head?

idra (24)
 
41%

thorzain (20)
 
34%

duran bros (7)
 
12%

steph (4)
 
7%

grubby (2)
 
3%

nani (1)
 
2%

jinro (0)
 
0%

58 total votes

Your vote: head?

(Vote): idra
(Vote): thorzain
(Vote): duran bros
(Vote): steph
(Vote): nani
(Vote): jinro
(Vote): grubby


Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
January 05 2016 19:54 GMT
#214
Need heart and dick polls.
Content of my posts reflects only my personal opinions, and not those of any employer or subsidiary
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 05 2016 19:54 GMT
#215
So regarding my previous post, the mysterious "VilliaN" is not Idra sadly

Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
January 05 2016 19:55 GMT
#216
How does this guy @Ever_Ophidian know? SOURCES?!?!
StarCraft | www.psistorm.com | www.twitter.com/MistakesSC | www.twitch.tv/MistakesSC | Seattle
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13994 Posts
January 05 2016 19:55 GMT
#217
Poll: heart

idra (27)
 
53%

duran bros (5)
 
10%

jinro (5)
 
10%

grubby (5)
 
10%

thorzain (4)
 
8%

steph (4)
 
8%

nani (1)
 
2%

51 total votes

Your vote: heart

(Vote): idra
(Vote): thorzain
(Vote): duran bros
(Vote): nani
(Vote): steph
(Vote): jinro
(Vote): grubby


Engage, Zero target Engage, Engage, Kagari target Engage, Engage.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 05 2016 19:55 GMT
#218
On January 06 2016 04:55 Mistakes wrote:
How does this guy @Ever_Ophidian know? SOURCES?!?!

He runs SC2Unmasked, so he'd probably be in the know on who's smurf is who's
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
January 05 2016 19:56 GMT
#219
On January 06 2016 04:55 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 06 2016 04:55 Mistakes wrote:
How does this guy @Ever_Ophidian know? SOURCES?!?!

He runs SC2Unmasked, so he'd probably be in the know on who's smurf is who's


Man.... I didn't know that. I was hoping he was just some dude and I could keep hoping it was IdrA X_X
StarCraft | www.psistorm.com | www.twitter.com/MistakesSC | www.twitch.tv/MistakesSC | Seattle
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
January 05 2016 19:57 GMT
#220
Stephano won Nationwars. Has to be him.
Prev 1 9 10 11 12 13 44 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Monday Night Weeklies
16:00
#48
RotterdaM474
IndyStarCraft 139
BRAT_OK 60
SteadfastSC23
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 474
mouzHeroMarine 348
IndyStarCraft 139
ProTech131
TKL 128
BRAT_OK 60
goblin 34
SteadfastSC 23
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 5775
Soulkey 948
Mini 913
EffOrt 744
ggaemo 678
BeSt 567
Larva 488
Stork 420
Soma 402
actioN 190
[ Show more ]
Rush 187
Dewaltoss 182
hero 151
Killer 138
Snow 80
Hm[arnc] 75
Hyun 73
Sharp 73
Pusan 46
sSak 44
Movie 34
910 31
Backho 26
yabsab 23
Terrorterran 14
JulyZerg 13
Shine 11
zelot 6
ivOry 4
eros_byul 1
Dota 2
Gorgc7636
qojqva1992
BananaSlamJamma153
Counter-Strike
fl0m1151
byalli720
ceh9387
adren_tv61
kRYSTAL_17
Other Games
Grubby1724
FrodaN955
hiko724
B2W.Neo661
Beastyqt480
Hui .194
ArmadaUGS190
Sick90
Trikslyr50
KnowMe45
MindelVK12
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream12950
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream3870
Other Games
BasetradeTV966
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 87
• Reevou 6
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• FirePhoenix4
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV488
League of Legends
• Jankos3574
• Nemesis2044
• TFBlade1820
Other Games
• Shiphtur165
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
9h 28m
GSL
15h 28m
Afreeca Starleague
17h 28m
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
18h 28m
RSL Revival
1d 17h
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
KCM Race Survival
2 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
[ Show More ]
Escore
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
4 days
Universe Titan Cup
4 days
Rogue vs Percival
Ladder Legends
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
4 days
BSL
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
Ladder Legends
5 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W3
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.